Voting AGAINST candidates for the AC. — Tournament History

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#46 6/26/2015 6:22 AM UTC

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M200 2015, a competition in St. Petersburg. Kober/Romantic/Aive were the judges/organizers. I think they did a good job.

I just organized a bar tour there :D

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#47 6/26/2015 7:17 AM UTC

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Sanin

Any setup affects the game, but after the game, the only reason to annul the result is a violation of the rules.

So, let's say I'm a newbie, I don't understand anything, I lose the game, and then I realize that there was no way through, but I could have done something differently... and accordingly, I turn to the judge... what was wrong with my actions?

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#48 6/26/2015 7:33 AM UTC

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Dark

I'm a newbie, for example, I don't understand anything.

I don't understand why "for example"??? :D

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#49 6/26/2015 7:38 AM UTC

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=Lizard=

I don't understand why "for example"??? :D

you get it:D

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#50 6/26/2015 10:19 AM UTC

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Dark

That is, I'm a newbie for example, I don't understand a thing, I lose a game to you, and only then realize that there was no passage, and I could have done something differently.. well, accordingly, I turn to the judge.. what was wrong with my actions?

In all tournaments on HeroesWorld, the regulations begin with an indication of which rules the tournament is conducted under. The HeroesWorld Rules clearly define the conditions and procedure for restarts.
On HeroesWorld, there are topics for fun games and the seasonal tournament, where one can register fairly quickly and gain experience.
By registering for an official tournament, a player automatically agrees that they are familiar with the templates used in the tournament and the tournament rules.
The fact that the first player, due to inexperience or other reasons (didn't get enough sleep, played while drunk, was distracted, etc.), did not understand the generation during the game cannot be considered a problem for the second player. The game lasts quite a long time, so it is not appropriate to schedule replays after its completion if bugs are discovered.

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#51 6/26/2015 11:00 AM UTC

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Once, Cobra cheesed a restart on Jeb on turn 124 in a game against me, even though I had already taken the center :D

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#52 6/26/2015 3:19 PM UTC

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Well, that’s standard. At least I didn’t fall asleep.

Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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#53 6/26/2015 3:42 PM UTC

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There was a swampy road upwards, and when I finally cleared it in the second week, it turned out that it leads to my secondary town in the top left corner, and from there to another respawn, without a road to ГО. Technically, this is a restart on the day of discovery

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#54 6/26/2015 3:47 PM UTC

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Responding to Darku, explaining why I voted against. First, I selected 7 people whom I consider the best for this. After that, I voted against all the remaining candidates. As a result, with this strategy, I essentially had 2 votes.

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#55 6/26/2015 8:25 PM UTC

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skd

By registering for an official tournament, a player automatically agrees that they understand the templates used in the tournament and the tournament rules.
It cannot be the second player's problem that the first player, due to inexperience or other reasons (didn't get enough sleep, was playing while intoxicated, was distracted, etc.), failed to understand the generation during the game. The game lasts long enough that, after it ends, if bugs are discovered, replays should be scheduled.

So, here's a question for you: if, according to your logic, everyone should understand everything, THEN WHY ARE JUDGES NEEDED AT ALL?:confused: Think about it....

лето 2012.

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#56 6/26/2015 9:24 PM UTC

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Dark

So, if everyone should understand everything, according to your logic, WHY DO WE NEED JUDGES AT ALL?:confused: Think about it....

1. If, during the game, there is a suspicion that a bug caused the outcome, save the game and contact the tournament judge.
2. If players do not finish the game within the allotted time, save the game and make a decision.
3. Assigning an ODD (Overtime Decision Decider).
4. Resolving issues regarding players violating the rules during the game. At least, these are the first things that come to mind.

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#57 6/26/2015 10:22 PM UTC

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Dark

So, if everyone should understand everything according to your logic, WHY DO WE NEED JUDGES AT ALL?:confused: Think about it...

Tell us instead, what is the purpose of rules in your opinion?

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#58 6/27/2015 5:54 AM UTC

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skd

1. If, during the game, there is a suspicion that a bug occurred, save the game and contact the tournament judge.
2. If players do not finish the game within the allotted time, save the game and make a decision.
3. Assigning an odd-even draw.
4. Resolving issues regarding players violating the rules during the game.
At least, that's the first thing that comes to mind.

Are you pretending or what?
IF THE SUSPICION AROSE AFTER THE GAME, and considering that we are discussing M200, where you can't be distracted for even a second, what does it matter whether it's during or after the game? It's a different matter that it's up to the player's conscience (like if he saw it during the game, lost, and then pretends he didn't see it until the end of the game).

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Tell us, why do you think rules are needed?

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This is the phrase I was commenting on: "By registering for an official tournament, a player automatically agrees that they understand the templates used in the tournament and the tournament rules."
Judging by this, if people understand it so well, judges won't be needed, do I need to add anything else?:cool:

лето 2012.

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#59 6/27/2015 6:48 AM UTC

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Dark

are you pretending or what?
IF THE SUSPICION AROSE AFTER THE GAME, and considering that we're discussing m200, where you can't be distracted by anything at all for even a second, n.k. What does during the game or after have to do with it, another matter is that it's on the player's conscience (like if he saw it during the game, lost, and then pretends he didn't see it until the end of the game)

I get the feeling you're pretending. Not noticing the absence of a passage on any m200 template within the first week is pretty hard. In that game in question, the surrender happened somewhere in the middle of the second week. What do you mean the suspicion arose after the game? Let's imagine a Jebus Cross is being played, where the player has no road to GO, but he didn't scout it. On day five, for example, the player throws and surrenders, and after the game it turns out he had no road to GO. But if the player surrendered, then there can be no talk of any technical restarts. He could have kept playing after the throw, discovered the absence of a road to GO, and then legitimately taken a technical restart. Don't want to waste time - make a save and send it to the judge, let him check whether you have a road to GO. But if you've already admitted defeat, then what technical restarts? And by the way, the m200 rules have no technical restart for missing passages, and it doesn't generate all that rarely anyway.

Dark

this is the phrase I was commenting on "By registering for an official tournament, a player automatically agrees that he understands the templates installed for the tournament and the tournament rules."
based on it, if people know things that well, judges won't be needed, need more comments?:cool:

Actually, ideally that's how it should be. Players know the rules, the judge only intervenes when the situation is ambiguously interpreted by the rules, or if one of the players has suspicions regarding the legitimacy of the second player's actions, and also for consultation on any related matters. By the way, in three years on ХВ, I've never turned to judges, except for a couple of cases when opponents disappeared.
What you write about rules and judges looks funny, I can just picture chess players sitting down to play and one of them doesn't know the rules of the game. That's not his opponent's problem, and not the judge's problem, it's only that player's problem.

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#60 6/27/2015 8:29 AM UTC

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What are you even talking about? They don't even give tech points for exploiting bugs... and we're talking about a player's right, and considering their inexperience, according to the rules, they can take tech.

P.S.
Your comparison is irrelevant; they are completely different things.

лето 2012.

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