Voting AGAINST candidates for the AC. — Tournament History

Registered: 9/30/2012

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#31 6/24/2015 8:28 PM UTC

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DaU

This is a kind of humor; he would probably moderate better when drunk, paying less attention. But essentially, the moderators' work depends on the coordinator's policy; it doesn't matter who you choose. Romantic said this until Dirty, with his political views, started appearing in the forum.

But why do you need politics in the forum? In my opinion, here are the people I voted for, seven in total. I would have kept three of them: Pit, Dirty, and zloy_romantik; the rest were just added to the list. These people usually know the answers to questions about the game; they have been on the forum for a long time, and I accept their decisions because, in my opinion, they judge objectively.
As for those I voted against, firstly, the lack of an "abstain" button. Many candidates registered on the forum shortly before or even after me. Again, a good player doesn't necessarily make a good judge or organizer.
And about the celebrities, I voted against Vikka because he is in favor of politics on the portal and various discussions. I believe that the Arbitration Committee (AK) should deliberate and make decisions on their own, like a jury. I voted against Vigo because he was banned from the forum altogether. I voted against RedWhite because he sometimes has outbursts, which is not good. I should have also voted against Stinger; if possible, remove my vote for him because he probably doesn't have time for this. And Rebelius, I personally have no issues with him, but he also gets involved in controversial situations, as does Cobra, although I have only had positive interactions with both of them. Sanin, I encountered him in a tournament; he is too pedantic, although he allows for "flexibility" in the rules when it benefits him. I won't give an example, but I can tell you about it in ICQ if you want. The AK is the face of the forum, not a gang of quarrelers with green or pink nicknames.

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Registered: 1/4/2012

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#32 6/24/2015 9:15 PM UTC

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Iamsamstan

Sanin, I played against him in a tournament; he's too much of a stickler for the rules, although he allows for "flexibility" in the rules when it benefits him. I won't give an example, but I'll tell you about it on ICQ if you want.

Well, give an example. If you're talking about my game with Palach in Lyubimchiki, then in that same game, I gave him an advantage; is that "flexibility" in the rules in his favor, or is it being a stickler for the rules?
And since you've commented on that game, I'll also comment on it because that's the only reason I voted against Calababa. In that game, you lost, you surrendered, and only after you admitted your defeat did you say that you didn't have one move left (2sm2c) and sent the save to Calababa, who said that it should be a rematch. In my opinion, it's unacceptable to call for a rematch after a fairly won game; any questions about technical restarts should be resolved before the end of the game. This is true even if a technical restart is specified in the rules, and even more so if it isn't. However, Calababa somehow believes that this is acceptable. I don't want that kind of judging.

Regarding the other candidates I voted against:
Pit - he himself wrote that he doesn't have much time for the forum, but he still expressed his willingness to serve on the Arbitration Committee (AK). This is despite the fact that the rating has already been handed over to Nitro, and Lyubimchiki has been handed over to Lim4. With all due respect to his merits, I believe that an active member of the AK should have enough time and not just to look at a controversial save once or twice a month. At the same time, I voted for Stinger simply because I'm in favor of change.
Zloy Romantik - he himself writes that moderation and membership in the AK should be separated, but he believes that this should be separated for all of us, not just for him. I agree with Vikk that combining these functions can lead to abuses.
Redwrite - he regularly demonstrates an imperfect knowledge of the rules on his streams. Although in the Admiral's precedent, I was and remain on his side.
Amilu - he remains my favorite streamer, but I don't remember him actively participating in discussions related to the rules, judging, AK decisions, etc. Frankly, I'm surprised that Amilu nominated himself.
Vigo - he's on my blacklist.

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Registered: 10/30/2008

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#33 6/25/2015 7:57 AM UTC

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Sanin

A romantic at heart, he writes that moderation and membership in the Arbitration Committee (AK) should be separated, but believes that this separation should apply to all of us, not just him. I agree with Vik that combining these functions can lead to abuses.

So, just out of curiosity, name at least one of my decisions as a member of the AK that somehow intersected with moderation? When making a decision in a controversial situation, for example, how does a green nickname help? Well, never mind, I don't have the time or desire to argue and try to convince anyone right now.

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Registered: 4/28/2012

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#34 6/25/2015 8:51 AM UTC

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Sanin

And in that very game, you lost, surrendered, and only after acknowledging your defeat, claimed that you didn't have one move (2sm2c) and sent the save to Calababe, who stated that it should be a rematch. In my opinion, it is unacceptable to call for a rematch after a fairly won game; any questions regarding technical restarts should be resolved before the end of the game. This is even true if a technical restart is specified in the rules.

Well, that's your opinion, but what if the situation is that the person doesn't understand the technical aspects (and not everyone will notice it right away!)? Besides, the lack of a move could have influenced or did influence the game!
In general, regarding the subject, you are wrong in this situation, in my opinion, and the judge is right!

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#35 6/25/2015 9:06 AM UTC

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Complaints about the map being incorrect, etc., should not be accepted at all after the game. If a player remains silent during the game but starts complaining afterward, it only indicates that they are a sore loser, and the map is not the issue, as these "bugs" did not hinder their gameplay.

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Registered: 8/25/2011

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#36 6/25/2015 9:07 AM UTC

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Sanin

In my opinion, it is unacceptable to order a replay of a fairly won match; any questions regarding technical restarts should be resolved before the end of the game. This is true even if a technical restart is stipulated in the rules, and even more so if it is not.

Excellent point. To some extent, the referee should be like a robot, strictly following the rules in effect at the moment.

I will once again cite an example from sports history. In 1990, FIFA made a decision that an attacking player could be on the same line as the second player of the defending team. This refers to offsides in football. So, should the final of the 1988 European Championship be replayed because of this? No. No one would do that. Because such decisions are a mess, as they say, "they signed the documents retroactively."

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#37 6/25/2015 9:11 AM UTC

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KobRa_RR

Complaints about the map being incorrect, etc., should not be accepted at all after the game! If a player remains silent during the game and then starts complaining afterward, it only shows that he is a whiner, and the map is not the issue, as these "bugs" did not interfere with his gameplay.

I strongly agree. If you don't like the map, or suspect bugs, save the game and send the save file to the judge. But when the game is already over, starting to complain smells strongly of whining. However, I have never had a very high opinion of Calababa's judging abilities, so I am not surprised. I didn't expect that from Sam.

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#38 6/25/2015 9:30 AM UTC

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I always thought that rest periods due to generation bugs are taken from the day the bug is discovered, and that this point is clearly stated in the rules. I remember an episode from a tournament on Balance – the opponent on turn 112 saw that he had only one path to the Guardian Order (tech cross), but didn't request a restart, waiting until I took my turn 113, and only then demanded a tech cross. I considered this an attempt to trick me into giving him a free turn 113 and refused to grant the tech cross, suggesting that if he disagreed, he could complain to the Arbitration Committee.

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Registered: 1/4/2012

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#39 6/25/2015 11:30 AM UTC

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evil_romantic

So, just out of curiosity, name at least one of my decisions as a member of the Arbitration Committee that somehow intersected with moderation? When making a decision in a controversial situation, for example, how does a green nickname help? Well, never mind, I don't have the time or desire to argue and try to convince you right now.

Roma, I'm not accusing you of any wrongdoing. The activities of the Arbitration Committee are not public, so I cannot judge your activities as a member of the Arbitration Committee - this is, by the way, a bad thing. But you moderate more actively than others. I just think that it would be desirable for the functions of a moderator and a member of the Arbitration Committee to be performed by different people.

Dark

Well, that's your opinion, but what if the situation is that the person doesn't understand the technical aspects (and not everyone will notice them right away!)? Besides, the lack of a passage can affect or has affected the game!

Any setup affects the game, but after the game, the only basis for annulling the result can be a violation of the rules.

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#40 6/25/2015 11:57 AM UTC

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Sanin

Any setup affects the game, but after the game, the only reason to annul the result can be a violation of the rules.

In that game, I didn't try to force a win; I just thought I hadn't scouted well enough and noticed the lack of a passage when I looked at the map. I asked Pete what and how, and that's where all these conversations started.
I'm talking about the fact that you specifically said that you are a stickler for the rules and that the rules are your top priority, and that you can't do anything except follow the rules. Okay, but in that game with Palach, you asked him for an extra restart because, after all your restarts, you got a bad setup, but without any reasons for taking a restart. The rules don't say anything about this. That's what I wrote.

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#41 6/25/2015 12:15 PM UTC

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Iamsamstan

In that game, I didn't cheat; I just thought I hadn't scouted well enough, and I noticed the lack of a passage when I looked at the map. I asked Pete what and how, and that's where all these conversations started.

In such cases, you need to pause the game and send the save to the judge. But not after the game.

Iamsamstan

I'm talking about the fact that you specifically said that you're a stickler for the rules and that the rules come first for you, and that you can't do anything except follow the rules. Okay, but in that game with Palach, you asked him for an extra restart because, after all your restarts, he got a bad draw, but without any valid reasons for taking a restart. The rules don't say anything about this. That's what I wrote.

He could have written "win on 111" then, but he didn't. I could have not given him the auto-win and written "win," but I didn't. This game wasn't sent to the judges; they decided everything themselves. Where is the strict adherence to the rules and bending them in my favor here?

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Registered: 6/27/2011

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#42 6/25/2015 2:09 PM UTC

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Sanin

Amilu remains my favorite streamer, but I don't remember him actively participating in discussions related to the rules, judging, decisions of the Arbitration Committee, etc. To be honest, I'm surprised that Amilu nominated himself.

1. It's very interesting to see how many people will vote for a careless tequila-drinking streamer as a judge simply because he's a "favorite streamer."
2. I love colorful nicknames.
3. In reality, I am very reasonable and attentive when required. I also have a certain amount of free time regularly. Despite being somewhat taciturn and disliking arguments and squabbles, I am good at listening and analyzing. I even enjoy it.

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Registered: 1/9/2013

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#43 6/25/2015 2:31 PM UTC

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Amiloo

2. I love colorful nicknames.

You don't get a colorful nickname for being a member of the AC, so give it up :D

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#44 6/25/2015 10:28 PM UTC

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Here, BrauziR is losing to some noobs – it’s awful – how can he even play?) Here, Kobriy is biased – because he’s biased a priori. Here, Vik is too much, too much, because Vik is Vik, and Amiluy is reasonable and adequate when needed.)))
What are we voting for? In terms of what?) – for a fair judgment on controversial situations in the game – based on tournaments:
1) The person must be experienced!
2) The person must be an adult – in terms of age in the game.
3) Be able to be a Romantic – because I agree that he can make decisions based on personal sympathies.
4) Not be Maretti – otherwise, it won’t be possible to Google anything.

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#45 6/25/2015 11:52 PM UTC

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Noom

M200 2015 was judged/organized by a team from St. Petersburg: Kober, Romantic, and Ive. In my opinion, they did a good job.

I was there too.

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