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Someone else is definitely sharing the universe with us. And if you imagine that it's not the only one in the world, then what do you think, could it be that only on this one little planet do intelligent beings live? I don't want to say that in the neighboring galaxy there's a Sorora and intelligent monkeys live there, but still... It seems to me that there could be all sorts of worms living there, and something that looks like stones, only SMART. After all, intelligence doesn't have a fixed form. And regarding communication with hypothetical "neighbors" - it's unlikely that two different minds would be able to understand each other... And in general, they would probably be scared of us, and we of them:))))
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I still find the theory that life arose by chance more appealing. If we assume that this is true, then aliens definitely exist, because there are many planets, and life must have originated on at least one of them.
Умирает не тот, кто устал, а тот, кто остановился.
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Giltonielle;81956
And regarding communication with hypothetical "neighbors" - it's unlikely that two different minds would be able to understand each other... And in general, they would probably be scared of us, and we of them:))))
Well, as I understand it, you accept the theory of parallelism. That is, roughly speaking, 2 races were born separately and lived and developed separately. But what if we think about the fact that they settled on Earth first? After all, no one knows for sure where "homo sapiens" came from, right?;) And what if one of the alien races is our very, very distant ancestors?:)


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Lelya;81914
Yes, Novizard is right to some extent. Why would our Creator need to appear to some "forest spirit"? I also find this suspicious. I would also like to know what the medium's voice sounded like at that time, i.e., the person who said "appease the God." Because something very simple and quite ordinary could have happened to your friend: the appearance of a forest spirit or a demon (call it whatever you want, it's all evil). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm inclined to believe it was a "game with a naive person." :)

Well, of course, it was a demon, a forest spirit, a scarecrow, anyone but God:)
That is, you are already deciding who God should talk to and who not... it's funny, I think God would laugh... ;)
And that person is not naive at all, and you can't just approach him. If it were that simple, I wouldn't even bother bringing up this case here. In reality, it's not that simple. And I myself am very difficult to convince that someone talked to God; I am even more suspicious than you
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Of course, a demon, a goblin, a scarecrow, anyone but God:)
That is, you are already deciding who to talk to, God, and who not... it's funny, I think God would laugh...;
And that little man is not naive at all, and you can't just approach him... If it were that simple, I wouldn't even bother bringing up this case. It's not that simple, actually. And I myself am very difficult to convince that someone talked to God, I am even more suspicious than you;)
But what if? By the way, from your story, I immediately imagine a hermit, and they can communicate with spirits. Or... did your friend move to some village? In most cases, villages are inhabited either by black sorcerers or healers (the gift is supposedly passed down through family lines in the event of the owner's death). So maybe that's why your friend ended up there? Or am I missing something?


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Why not? Anything is possible. And they probably all exist.
But I hope there won't be any like in Wells' "The War of the Worlds."
Although, anything is possible.

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Berserk;81946
I believe that aliens don't exist. The evidence is simple: for believers, it is written that Adam and Eve were the first people. No one else was created. Dr. Kent Hovind supports this version. For atheists, I will use two arguments:

1) (from Ganymede) - I haven't seen it, so I don't know.
2) Most UFOs have been explained and were either objects, phenomena in the atmosphere, or meteors. In general, thousands of explained phenomena confirm that UFOs do not exist.
I have one small question: why are you so sure that the Bible is correct? They could have written anything in it, and when talking about extraterrestrial civilizations, you simply cannot rely on the Bible.
After all, it is quite possible that God created others later or earlier, and they were banished earlier (or later).
Regarding the first point:
Not seeing something doesn't mean it doesn't exist; there is only a probability that we are alone.
Regarding the second point:
Well, it's not impossible that they haven't visited? After all, there is only a probability that they don't exist. They may not have been interested in people, because, as someone said, we are not yet at the stage of development to be of interest to them, or for some other reason.
Ничего нет только у мёртвого - у живого есть хотя бы жизнь...
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I believe that aliens don't exist. The proof is simple: for believers, it was written that Adam and Eve were the first people.
But who said that aliens are people?
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1) (from Ganymede) - Haven't seen it - don't know.
2) Most UFOs have been explained and turned out to be either objects or phenomena in the atmosphere, or meteors. In general, thousands of explained phenomena confirm that UFOs don't exist.
1) This is not proof at all. If I haven't seen something, then it doesn't exist. This is an extremely stupid statement. 2) I agree that UFOs are not the work of aliens. However, we cannot disprove the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations with this fact. Just as we cannot disprove the existence of God (and probably never will be able to).
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Все люди - братья, но в каждом из нас спит волк.
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Quote: "I have one small question: why are you so sure that the Bible is correct?" From life, from facts, from fulfilled and fulfilling prophecies, from scientific evidence (many creationists specifically seek and find material confirmations), from faith, because historically this Book is the greatest and has reached us in its original form, and from many other things. Quote: "They could have written anything there, and when talking about extraterrestrial civilizations, you simply cannot rely on the Bible." I like people who haven't read or STUDIED it, but readily throw around words. I'm too lazy to prove anything to anyone. I'll answer with the same question: "Why do you assume that the Bible is not the Word of God and that not everything in it is true?" I'm too lazy to even quote myself, but what won't you do for your opponents (deep sigh): "For believers..." - only for believers. What's the problem? Quote: "Moreover, the Bible tells about humanity and the Earth (and Paradise), and not about the universe. After all, God could have easily created others later or earlier, and they could have been banished earlier (or later)." Why do you assume that? The Bible speaks of the creation of the Universe, and in many places it is mentioned that man is the most intelligent being in the world (and not just on Earth). Quote: "Well, isn't it possible that they didn't fly here?" It's written separately... (grade 5). You answer strangely, sir. And most importantly, easily: "It's not possible." Then why do you criticize (unjustly) my evidence, which is not based solely on your own opinion? "And who said that aliens are people?" Read the Bible. I knew someone would nitpick the words. Would living beings fit? Would intelligent beings fit? "1) This is not proof at all. If I haven't seen something, then it doesn't exist. This is an extremely stupid statement." Are you sure? And most atheists and people on forums use it. If almost everyone hasn't seen something, does that mean it doesn't exist? You have strange answers, really. "2) I agree that UFOs are not the work of aliens. However, this fact does not disprove the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations. Just as we cannot disprove the existence of God (and we probably never will)." I agree with the last statement :) And answer the question: "Am I right when I say that I am wrong?"
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"What makes you think that the Bible is not the Word of God and that not everything in it is true?"
1) "If I haven't seen it, I don't know" - you recently used this as proof of the non-existence of extraterrestrial civilizations; the same can be said about God.
2) There's no need to be deluded; there are many religions, and everyone is convinced of their own rightness. You are placing your faith above all others.
3) This is just another faith, like any other, and therefore I will not say that it is true.

About the universe: I apologize for speaking without thinking.

I'm not good with grammar, I'm just not.

Quote: And most importantly, it's easy: "It just can't be."
I didn't claim anywhere that something "just can't be."

About the Bible:
Why couldn't God create someone after us?...
Why should God bring us the knowledge that we are not alone?...
Why can't God protect us (as his most beloved) from others (protect us from others, prevent them from reaching us, etc.)?

In general, in my opinion, the topic is silly and not for debate, because no one knows or has seen, because here it is "faith," which makes a person great (here, here! It makes a person like God! And the smartest (after God)). Everyone is convinced of their own. And everyone has proof.

P.S. And yet, we cannot prove or disprove the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations and/or God.
Ничего нет только у мёртвого - у живого есть хотя бы жизнь...
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"And who said that aliens are humans?"
Read the Bible. I knew someone would nitpick the words. Will living beings be suitable? Will intelligent beings be suitable?
They will be suitable.
Berserk;82085
"1) This is not proof at all.
If I haven't seen something, then it doesn't exist. This is an extremely stupid statement."
Are you sure? And most atheists and people on the forum use it. If almost everyone hasn't seen something, maybe it doesn't exist?
You have strange answers, to say the least.
What do people who use this statement have to do with it? I was talking about the statement itself, that it cannot prove anything (by the way, you used it as proof, along with the quote: "most atheists and people on the forum").
Berserk;82085
And answer the question: "Am I right when I say that I am wrong?"
If you were wrong, then you are right.
If you were right, then you are wrong.
Will such logically correct answers satisfy you?
P.S. What was the point of asking this question in the first place?
Твой дом там, где твоё сердце.
Все люди - братья, но в каждом из нас спит волк.
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If you were wrong, then you are right.
If you were right, then you are wrong.
Will such logically correct answers satisfy you?
P.S. What was the point of asking this question in the first place?
But how can he be wrong if he is right, but says he is wrong? Or how can he be right if he is wrong and says he is wrong, and yet he can be right, even though he is actually wrong and says he is wrong, but he is right in that he is wrong. :D

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Lelya;81999
Well, I understand that you accept the theory of parallelism. That is, roughly speaking, 2 factions were born separately and lived and developed separately. But what if we think about the fact that they settled on Earth first? After all, no one knows for sure where "homo sapiens" came from, right?;) And what if one of the alien factions is our very, very distant ancestors?:)
I think that even if we have very distant ancestors, in the process of evolution (or whatever they call it))) they are still so different at this stage that there may not be any kinship at all... Yes, I believe that there are parallel developing branches of intelligent beings. It is logical to think that each galaxy, universe, or even planet offers different conditions for life, which, in turn, determines the development of different forms of life endowed with intelligence. Even if intelligent beings, homo sapiens, once had a common ancestor, a community of intelligent organisms that, for certain reasons, had to leave the planet and turn to other worlds, in the process of living there, they mutated and gave rise to completely new beings, which would be difficult to call an "exact copy" of these ancestors;)
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But what if? By the way, from your story, a hermit immediately comes to mind, and they are capable of communicating with spirits. Or... did your friend move to some village? Here I'll tell you that in most cases, villages are inhabited by either dark sorcerers or healers (the gift is supposed to be passed down through the family line in the event of the owner's lethal outcome). So maybe that's why your friend ended up there? Or did I miss something?

No, he's definitely not a sorcerer.... what would he even cast spells for in the forests? He moved closer to nature; he believes in God and thinks that proximity to nature brings one closer to God. In principle, this is not an original idea. Many hermits did exactly that. I can say that he didn't want to communicate with God, i.e., for a long time he didn't believe that it was God...
Настоящие герои - не те, пред кем мы преклоняемся, а те, кого мы оплевываем...[/COLOR]
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"Well, isn't it impossible that they didn't fly here?"
It's written separately with verbs... (x class)

And answer the question: "Am I right when I say that I am wrong?"
1) No, it's 6 or 5. I don't pay attention to the illiteracy of others...:rolleyes:
2) The question is rhetorical.;)


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Akella;82127
Why can't God protect us (as his most beloved) in this way from others (protect us from others, not let them near us, etc.)?
In general, in my opinion, the topic is silly and not for discussion, because no one knows or has seen, because here it is "faith," which makes a person great (here, here! A person is made similar to God! And the smartest (after God)). Everyone is sure of their own. And everyone has proof.
1) And who said or knows, or has seen that God is not protecting us? I think you are wrong here, my friend, but you are not to blame, you just haven't encountered this.
2) The topic is not silly. According to the same tradition, God created us in his image and likeness.;) And why do everyone say this "highfalutin" phrase: "I haven't seen it - I don't know"? The world is not simple, dear friends, this rude expression is meaningless.


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Giltonielle;82158
Yes, I think there are parallel developing branches of intelligent beings. This is logical if you think about the fact that each galaxy, Universe, or even a planet offers different conditions for life, which, in turn, determines the development of different forms of life endowed with intelligence. Even if intelligent beings, homo sapiens, once had a common ancestor, some Community of intelligent organisms that, for certain reasons, had to leave the planet and turn to other worlds, in the process of living there, they mutated and gave rise to completely new beings, which would be difficult to call an "exact copy" of these ancestors;)
Well, parallelism may also exist, and even probably.:) I agree about "copies" and about ancestors. But what if we remember the simplest lessons of speciation? Macroevolution? Yes, species isolated from their parents exist in another place, adapt to new conditions, mutate, natural selection occurs, voila! Here is a new species! Also, many other species can develop from this population in the same way.;) But they all have one parent!:)

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No, he is definitely not a sorcerer... what is there to conjure in the forests? He moved closer to nature, he believes in God and thinks that being close to nature brings him closer to God. In principle, this is not an original idea. Many hermits did the same. I can say that he didn't want to communicate with God, i.e., he didn't believe for a long time that it was God...
Well, you think that real sorcerers are those whose photos we see in magazines with the caption: "Arina is a hereditary witch, she will remove the curse of celibacy and return your loved one"? No. Real sorcerers and magicians most often live in villages and try not to be seen by anyone. I'm not saying that my assumption must be true, it's just an assumption. As for his desire for harmony with nature, it is, of course, good. But! Still, doubts torment me about talking to God, and not to some spirit.:)


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Yes, species isolated from their parents exist elsewhere, adapt to new conditions, mutate, and natural selection occurs – voilà! Here's a new species! Also, many other species can evolve from this population in the same way. ;) But they still have one common ancestor! :)
No mana. No excuse. :smile51:

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