Mafia 97. Land of Colored Dreams — Mafia

Larisa

4/14/2015 8:30 PM UTC

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Ruddy, I also can't say for sure which peaceful roles are left for you without revealing my own role. But if we set aside the ontology and just look at the newspaper, you have one fewer peaceful role remaining than I do (you can't be a bear). And I'm inclined to consider Ment and Hekasan as negatives, not necessarily at the same time, and not necessarily from the same team. Added after 1 minute: For the sake of fairness, I'll note that the same set of peaceful roles remains for Vishmaster. But somehow, psychologically, he inspires more trust in me. I don't have any logical arguments for this. Added after 2 minutes: And also, perhaps not everyone noticed this: Ruddy is not a witch or a horror, and Arandor is not a cannibal. I just noticed it myself. In this regard, do not execute Ruddy, even though I still don't trust him. Added after 1 minute: What does everyone think about executing Vishmaster if we can't find anything useful in the evidence? Just based on probability, according to the newspaper.

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Ment

4/14/2015 8:34 PM UTC

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It's quite possible, although based on his behavior, it seemed like he revealed himself as a Mafia member by responding to Ment's provocation...

Double provocation: he revealed himself as a Town member, because only Town members could think that they killed a Mafia member.

Swans and geese belong to the order of Anseriformes -> goose-swans -> sister Alyonushka and her brother Ivanushka -> Ivan Tsarevich -> KindShaman

Oh, everything points to him!
And how are goose-swans related to Alyonushka and Ivanushka?

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Larisa

4/14/2015 8:40 PM UTC

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Double bluff: he revealed himself as a newbie, because only newbies could think that they killed the mafia.

Okay, God knows, I'm confused myself... it just seemed so obvious that the Dream Hunter was killed, that Hekasan's reply seemed like an attempt to confuse the town... but maybe he really didn't understand.

And how are the geese and swans related to Alyonushka and Ivanushka?

They are all from the same fairy tale)

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But these are all newbies, yes. There isn't a single decent clue, to be honest.

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Ment

4/14/2015 8:43 PM UTC

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They're all from the same fairy tale.

Can you provide the fairy tale itself? Because I don't remember the children in "The Wild Swans" having exactly those names. Although there were a sister and a brother there.

But these are all Berbers, right? There isn't a single decent clue, to be honest.

My head is full of sawdust – that's not a problem!
I'm making up Berbers – yes, yes, yes!

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Рудый

4/14/2015 8:46 PM UTC

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Ment, talk about something in detail; I really want to see a large post from the supposed insider. P.S. a new brood is planned in the henhouse; this is your chance!

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Larisa

What does everyone think about executing Vishmaster?

Why? The decision seems strange.

жизни выцветшие карточки хлам
лиц расквашенные лампочки хлам
между жидких начинаний
сам в крови воспоминаний
поваляться захотел

Молодое зло телами в масле
Застилает взор багровый зной
Если хочешь ты чтоб я был счастлив
Наизнанку вывернись со мной
Бахромою плоть дурная драма
До рассвета нервы в решето
Валидола вмажь по вене мама
За моё счастливое ничто

Larisa

4/14/2015 8:50 PM UTC

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Yeah, I got a little confused. "Sister Alenushka and brother Ivanushka" is about the story where "don't drink, or you'll turn into a goat," while "The Goose-Girl" is about something else, but it also features a sister and a younger brother. I think my mom used to call them Alenushka and Ivanushka when she told the story, which is probably why I got them mixed up. Here in Wikipedia, it also says that they are often referred to that way, but it's incorrect https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%93%D1%83%D1%81%D0%B8-%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8. I'll remember that now.

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In reply to Рудый

WishmasteR

4/14/2015 8:51 PM UTC

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In principle, I like Ruddy's arguments. We could try executing Larisa.

I'm too f*cking old
To sell my soul

Loreley

4/14/2015 8:51 PM UTC

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so, who do we execute then?
we have a 5-4-1-1 situation.

Власть принадлежит тем, кто может владеть ей!

Ment

4/14/2015 8:53 PM UTC

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Cop, talk about something in detail; I really want to see a long post from the supposed town member.
P.S. a new batch is planned in the henhouse; this is your chance!

Oh, how great!
In detail:
I don't like Arandor, but judging by the poll, he's not Mafia (right?). Considering Neyra's intuition, let's say he's a town member.
Larisa... well, it's actually 50/50. That is, when you suggested executing her, I was happy, but now I'm not sure where the truth lies. She has some phrases that I don't like, but others that I do. In terms of roles, it's more or less logical, but there might have been some conspiracy from the Mafia. )
You yourself... you're more likely a town member. For now, I believe it! Mainly because I don't think Kosha would risk posting quotes from the Mafia chat. ))))
What, who else is playing? Well, all the other Mafia members are there. Ah, if I'm serious, it's hard to say right now; I'll take another look. I don't like Loken's silence, and I don't like how many villagers are targeting the Shaman (this could indirectly indicate that there's evidence against him, even if it's presented differently, but it's the same semantic area). Something like that.

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Larisa

4/14/2015 8:58 PM UTC

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Ruddy, if you and Vishmaster are judged solely based on the newspapers, you both have the same set of peaceful roles. However, your situation is better when it comes to negative roles. Everyone remains suspicious of Vishmaster, but for you, everyone is suspicious except for the Witch and the Horror. Because if you were one of them, you wouldn't be able to kill tonight. And I'm very bad at psychology, so I might be very wrong, and I don't want to rely on it. I also haven't found anything with the clues yet. I agree that executing Vishmaster (as well as you and me) could clarify a lot. And if we judge only by reliable data from the newspaper, this is the least risky option.

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Regarding my execution, I can say that it's not the worst option for the town, actually. There are worse options. But it's definitely not the best either.

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In reply to Ment

Рудый

4/14/2015 8:59 PM UTC

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Ment

Oh, how great!
I'll keep watching

I really need this. Of course, if something happens, I won't be ashamed to be the noob who leads to defeat, but still, the role of pure support isn't my favorite (even though I've often had to take it on HeroesWorld).

Loreley

well then who are we executing?
our situation is 5-4-1-1

I fear it might be worse. 5-5-1-1 at best. 4-6-1-1 at worst.

жизни выцветшие карточки хлам
лиц расквашенные лампочки хлам
между жидких начинаний
сам в крови воспоминаний
поваляться захотел

Молодое зло телами в масле
Застилает взор багровый зной
Если хочешь ты чтоб я был счастлив
Наизнанку вывернись со мной
Бахромою плоть дурная драма
До рассвета нервы в решето
Валидола вмажь по вене мама
За моё счастливое ничто

Larisa

4/14/2015 9:00 PM UTC

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Let's try to figure it out. Imagine this: you executed me, and I had a peaceful role. What conclusions would people draw from that?

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Небо

4/14/2015 9:06 PM UTC

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Let's try to figure it out. Imagine, you executed me, and I had a peaceful role. What conclusions will people draw from this?

What if you're the Mafia, and in this way, you're trying to benefit your team before you die, by extracting necessary information from the innocent players?

Небо – мольбы не ждёт
Небо – угроз не слышит
Небо – ведёт особый счёт
Небо – тебя найдёт

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Larisa

4/14/2015 9:15 PM UTC

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The sky, the peaceful citizens, and even the Mafia will find out all this information the next day. I'm just afraid that it will be like it has been many times before – everyone will thoughtlessly rush to punish those who initiated my execution (i.e., Rudoy, Ment, Arandor, and whoever else?). And they won't pay attention to anything else. If that happens, this option will be sad for the city, and it won't be worth my life. That's why I want to know if anyone has any more constructive ideas.

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It's not even that I need to know this; it's important that you yourselves think about this in advance, even before you execute me. You don't have to write your thoughts here if you don't think it's necessary. Just think about it. Especially those who understand psychology well.

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