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I don't like this issue about the ocean. Taking money from people to study things that have no significance in the development of current technologies or ways to solve various problems (for example, medicine) is not my thing. But the second one emphasizes the rejection not just of all "useless" research, but specifically of those that do not provide economic benefits.
The logic of "if it's not economically profitable, then it's not needed" has led us to the point where, instead of exploring space, we get a new iPhone every year. Of course, why should we explore the ocean or space? Let's invest in developing a convenient back scratcher so that people can sit in front of a monitor and feel a pleasant scratching without any effort, because that's what the common people want.
However, even if we approach this issue from the point of view of the people's needs, as Ment noted, knowledge gained in one area can often help in another.
So, there is no such thing as "useless" research. Any fundamental research expands knowledge about the picture of the world, contributes to the development of technologies necessary for its study, and much more.
Then the question is of a different nature: why is it not possible to allow the private sector to do this?
Because it is more profitable for the private sector to develop iPhones and back scratchers, it's obvious.
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I might be wrong, but from my non-scientific perspective, many studies in the field of, for example, studying animal behavior in their natural environment, don't really contribute to technologies that are relevant to humanity. And the argument that "they created a special camera to make it easier to observe" doesn't seem very convincing. The problem with iPhones is primarily related to something else; a similar trend can be observed in the gaming industry – computers are developing much faster than consoles, but most developers focus on the latter, which leads to a kind of stagnation – it sells well and is acceptable (if you reduce the values of the second option, that's why I don't like it). Again, I might be wrong, but I've already talked about taxes – it's better if no one goes to space and they release iPhones and back scratchers every year than if everyone lives on ration cards.
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So, how will we solve this issue, Ment, Kosha?
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I may be wrong, but from my non-scientific point of view, many studies in the field of, for example, studying animal behavior in their natural environment do not really contribute to technologies that are relevant to humanity.
We need to define what is "relevant to humanity." Because if you ask humanity, the most relevant thing for it is the iPhone. Colonization and any other effective use of space are still far from us, which means this is not a "relevant to humanity" study. However, if we all reasoned this way, we would still be living in the Dark Ages, and if we start reasoning this way now, we will never be able to develop to the level of the Imperium and burn the damned xenos.
Again, I may be wrong, but regarding taxes, I have already said - it is better that no one flies into space and every year they release iPhones and back scratchers, than all people around live on ration cards.
It is immediately clear that this is a person from Europe...
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However, if we all reasoned this way, we would still be living in the Dark Ages.
I find such reflections strange. Why did primitive people invent tools? Wasn't it to make their work easier, wasn't it to make that work more efficient? Why have civilizations throughout history developed weapons? And what about everyday conveniences, aren't they born out of an actual need? And research like
studying animal behavior in their natural environment
is more like "since we have the funds, why not?"
And regarding socialism - hey ho, long live Kim Jong-un! He didn't bow down to the West, unlike the southerners, but what can you expect from them, they live like in hell, but we have a planned economy and everything is great, we'll be flying into space soon! And the Chinese are no better than the southerners, they trade with the West, making it dependent on their economy, they produce everything they can (because there is demand) and they are also developing technology, how is that possible, they also sold out.
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I find such reflections strange. Why did primitive people invent tools? Wasn't it to make their work easier, to make it more efficient? Why have civilizations throughout history developed weapons? And what about everyday conveniences – aren't they born out of a real need for them?
Well, look. Let's say there's a cell – the simplest part of an organism. Studying it is useless, right? But the knowledge you gain from studying it will help you better understand the principles of how the organism functions. Very soon, you'll notice that cells infected with a certain virus differ from healthy ones, and this can help in creating a cure for the disease. Add genetic engineering to the mix, and so on.
You'll say – but animal behavior is useless and doesn't affect anything! Who knows. I think that the first people who stared into microscopes at some unknown nonsense were also seen by society as doing something useless. The picture of the world is a very complex thing and is formed from a great many different pieces of knowledge about the world around us. Therefore, rejecting any research because of its "uselessness" in the short term is short-sighted.

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And the argument "they made a special camera to make it more convenient to observe" doesn't seem very strong.
And this camera turned out to be so great that now they put it on your iPhone so you can secretly film what the girls have under their skirts! Is that better?
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A cell is the simplest component of an organism. Studying it is pointless, isn't it?
You might say that animal behavior is pointless and has no impact! But who knows. I think that the first people who stared into microscopes at some unknown nonsense were also viewed that way by society.
I don't like such comparisons, and therefore I consider our research through this dialogue to be pointless (!). By the way, I chose this option.

Weather -60 -> -61
Safety from crime 52.207 -> 52.662
Safety 241.623 -> 242.987
Weaponization 41.792 -> 41.337
Toxicity 185.834 -> 184.925
Primitiveness -101 -> -102

In general, I don't recommend exploring the ocean.
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Yes, your country is simply experiencing stagnation, and you constantly have low effects from any issue. Be sure that the problem is that capitalism cannot adequately finance global projects like this one.
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The logic of "if it's not economically viable, then it's not needed" has led us to the point where, instead of exploring space, we get a new iPhone every year. Of course, why should we explore the ocean or space? Let's invest in developing a convenient back scratcher so that people can sit in front of a monitor and feel a pleasant scratching sensation without any effort, because that's what the common people want.
However, even if we approach this issue from the perspective of the people's needs, as Ment noted, knowledge gained in one area can often help in another.
So, there are no "useless" studies. Any fundamental research expands our understanding of the world, contributes to the development of technologies needed to explore it, and much more.

Because it's more profitable for the private sector to develop iPhones and back scratchers, obviously.

I'll just leave this here:
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Jinhai
In short, I don't know, maybe I'll come up with something from the first two... Or maybe not.
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So, how will we resolve this issue, Ment, Kosha?
I managed to come up with something. :)
I'll make it funny that the war in Actaea is started by the Security Council, that is, an organization that is supposed to maintain peace.

Although, I see a normal option. Deploy a Pax Alpha unit into Mushroom Kingdom with a mission to change the government. This way, there's no need for war, and there's a chance that we won't succeed.

p.s. I refused the Inquisition and chose the second option. Religion -5, nothing else. Where are my civil rights? Or at least something. They talked so much about freedom in that point, and here we are.

В тихой однообразной жизни всегда так бывает: каждый отдельный день бесконечно долог, но месяцы и годы мчатся с непостижимой быстротой.

I wanted to offer you some flowers, but a crown would suit a princess like you much better

Смысл жизни в том, что жизнь на тебе не заканчивается
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I might be wrong, but from my non-scientific perspective, many studies in the field of, for example, studying animal behavior in their natural environment, don't really contribute to technologies that are relevant to humanity.
Oh, Revan, you're acting like you were born yesterday. :)
There is fundamental research, and there is applied research.
Fundamental research doesn't bring practical benefits and may not be useful for many decades, but without it, there will be no applied research.
That's why it is mostly funded by the state.

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ISIS is developing nuclear weapons.
- We will not attack them. Because we must maintain peace, which means we must not start a war!
Not quite.
ISIS has nuclear weapons.
- Let's attack them and destroy this weapon. Otherwise, they might attack someone.

В тихой однообразной жизни всегда так бывает: каждый отдельный день бесконечно долог, но месяцы и годы мчатся с непостижимой быстротой.

I wanted to offer you some flowers, but a crown would suit a princess like you much better

Смысл жизни в том, что жизнь на тебе не заканчивается
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Let's stock up on them.
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Didn't someone raise an issue about packages, suggesting that all trading should be moved online?

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