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"This is outrageous!" cries armchair revolutionary Elaine du Pont. "The government must maintain the principles of equality and socialism that we fought so hard for, and not sell the country to corrupt and greedy corporations. We must eject these shameful capitalists from our great nation at once!"
This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.
3) There is a direct threat of mutual assured destruction or numerous casualties in the event of a full-scale conflict involving nuclear weapons. In this case, it is obvious that the major powers will not directly attack each other at the moment, but will try to force their opponent to start aggression first through various provocations.
Hmm... one more time. Did you even read the point you voted for? I myself voted for Kitty Pink, I don't argue, there the thoughts are expressed correctly. And about the mushrooms: "A proposal is being considered for forcible change of power in favor of a more competent and responsible government, excluding representatives of corporations." Everything that Heroist writes about "changing the government in Mushroomland with the consent and direct participation of Kitty Pink and without unnecessary bloodshed" - these are all non-violent methods. That's how it should have been done. But what is written in the vote is a military invasion of an independent country. Arandor specifically even clarified. Even if we do not take Kitty Pink into account, Mushroomland has its own army, which will not lay down its arms when the country is attacked.
You are attacking a country that is part of a military alliance with Kitty Pink.
Jinhai
And this is up to Kitty Pink.
I strongly disagree. Whoever is the aggressor, whoever attacked – they bear the responsibility. Hitler attacked the USSR, but he was right, there was a bloody dictator executing people by the thousands. Stalin could have attacked Germany. “It is better to prevent disease than to cure it.” Stalin is certainly guilty. Jinhai
Here you see, Togrul Isa oglu Ibrahimov, a diplomatic approach and the correct tone of negotiations are the key to peace and prosperity.
Hehe. Typical capitalists. He presented other people's (not just mine) attempts to resolve the issue peacefully as his own diplomatic successes. Jinhai
From my point of view, if in a country that is on the list of economic leaders, leaders in production, etc., "savages with sticks" sit in the government, and the prime minister makes statements in the spirit of "hee hee, lol" - this is not normal. They have nuclear weapons. Okay. What prevents them from taking and using it (assuming that Kitty Pink does not control their army completely, but then this would mean that Kitty Pink simply keeps this country at gunpoint, which is also incorrect)? Well, like, "we weren't invited to the security council, let's shoot at them!" Corporations won't allow it? That's not an argument.
No matter how noble the motive, military intervention does not justify it and does not remove the blame from the one who unleashed the conflict. I think many agreed with your point of view that what was written above is abnormal when they voted for including Mushroomland in the Security Council. But if you have a noble goal to prevent war (Well, like, "we weren't invited to the security council, let's shoot at them!"), why are you starting this war yourself?
p.s. I got the impression (from Heroist's post) that he is against military intervention; he just misunderstood what he was voting for.
В тихой однообразной жизни всегда так бывает: каждый отдельный день бесконечно долог, но месяцы и годы мчатся с непостижимой быстротой.
I wanted to offer you some flowers, but a crown would suit a princess like you much better
Смысл жизни в том, что жизнь на тебе не заканчивается
kcfgogbfalgfl
11 years ago
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Medj, and the military approach, as well as the approach suggested by Heroist, and what Kosha proposes – all of these are violent because in all these cases, you are removing the current “leadership” of the country against its will.
"The proposal to violently change the government in favor of a more competent and responsible one, excluding representatives of corporations, is under consideration."
Yeah, right. An army from Ventorum, with the consent of Kittypink, or vice versa, will come and drive out the barbarians, and the government will change. No problem. If Kittypink agrees, the barbarians won't be shot, but if he can't, they'll be wiped out, it's not a big deal.
I strongly disagree. Whoever is the aggressor, whoever attacked, that's who has to live with it on their conscience. Hitler attacked the USSR, but he was right, there was a bloodthirsty dictator there, executing people by the thousands. Stalin could have attacked Germany. "It is better to prevent a disease than to cure it." Stalin is certainly to blame.
Hitler was not supported by any international organizations or the world community, but if they had supported him (before he had broken half of Europe), then yes, he would have been essentially right and should have liberated the Soviet Union from the dictator.
Hehe. Typical capitalists. They presented other people's (not just mine) attempts to resolve the issue peacefully as their own diplomatic successes.
I don't see anything wrong with that, it's just politics.
P.S. I have a feeling (based on Heroist's post) that he is against military intervention, he just misunderstood what he was voting for.
I see the situation like this: the Community decides to drive out the barbarians and kill them all ---> Kittypink realizes that then all his bonuses will be lost and suggests giving them a chance to sort things out on their own ---> the Community gives them time for negotiations ---> the negotiations lead nowhere/lead somewhere ---> the government changes without casualties/with casualties.
Whatever
Ment
11 years ago
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So, how are we going to resolve this issue, Ment, Kosha?
See, Togrul Isa oglu Ibrahimov, a diplomatic approach and the right tone in negotiations are the key to peace and prosperity.
Alright, here's your last chance to resolve the issue peacefully.
I see the situation like this: SB decides to disperse the barbarians and eliminate them all ---> Kittypink realizes that this will ruin all his plans and suggests giving them a chance to sort things out themselves ---> SB gives them time for negotiations ---> Negotiations lead nowhere/lead somewhere ---> power changes without casualties/with casualties.
Then the question is of a different nature: why isn't it possible to allow the private sector to engage in this?
Well, you should ask NS about that. Apparently, the author believed that such research should be state-funded from the outset. Although this isn't obvious. Or, the "private/state research" option isn't explicitly stated in the issue, but is automatically selected depending on the structure of your economy.
That's an interesting question, in general. On the one hand, yes, because that's the ideology of the state I'm building (and it's more fun that way), but on the other hand, if a large-scale war starts now, I won't last for the first couple of weeks, and that's not very pleasant.
Whatever
Ment
11 years ago
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That's an interesting question, if we're talking in general terms. On the one hand, yes, because that's the ideology of the state I'm building (and it's more fun that way), but on the other hand, if a large-scale war starts now, I won't last for the first couple of weeks, and that's not very pleasant.
Well, mushroom rockets won't affect you, at least not at first.)
Medj, both the military approach and the approach that Heroist suggests, and what Kosha suggests – all of this is violent because in all these cases, you are removing the current "leadership" of the country against its will.
Okay, you're right. I assume that in the event of Kosha's attempt to "try to reason with him" failing, and the special operation to force the blue-faced guy to relinquish power also failing, you agree to a full-scale war. But I don't. That's the situation. In general, the position is clear. Heroist
Well, yes, the Ventorum army will come with the consent of Kittypink, or vice versa, they will drive out the savages, and the government will change. No problems. If Kittypink agrees, the savages won't be shot, and if he can't, they'll be killed, it's not a big deal.
On paper, everything looks good. "A small victorious war." The state of Mentha is a Third World country. So what if the savages have automatic weapons and a nuclear bomb? :smile04:
Revan has reworked the first post, it's great. :cool:
В тихой однообразной жизни всегда так бывает: каждый отдельный день бесконечно долог, но месяцы и годы мчатся с непостижимой быстротой.
I wanted to offer you some flowers, but a crown would suit a princess like you much better
Смысл жизни в том, что жизнь на тебе не заканчивается
kcfgogbfalgfl
11 years ago
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Regarding additional comparisons: as it turns out, there is a limit on the Northern Clans (Fortress) faction, and therefore it is impossible to place all units under a single link.
I assume that in the event Kosh's attempt to "try and handle it amicably" fails, and the special operation to force that blue face to step down also fails, you are agreeable to a full-scale war. I am not. That's how it is. In general, your position is clear.
Well, here it's more about the mood within the country and all that, ROLEPLAYING, so whether to agree or not is up to each individual.
On paper, everything is smooth. A "small victorious war." The state of Menta is a third-world country. So what if they're savages with automatic sticks and a nuclear bomb?
Just like... well, whatever Well, regarding the possible bloodshed, I've already written about it, but I'll just clarify that by the word "savages" I mostly meant the government of the country, not the civilian population. Of course, a couple of bombs might stray, given the not-so-high defense, but essentially that changes nothing. No one is planning to commit genocide against the civilian population anyway. Probably.
Whatever
Ment
11 years ago
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"Put to death? Is this really the type of person you want to listen to?" says Natalia Plath. "Every day I thank God that I'm an agnostic and don't need to believe this nonsense. Religion shouldn't have anything to do with our government. You should get rid of it immediately!"
Agnostics are like that. ))) ------ And now, see how well it starts:
"Oh Lord, please don't let our noble leader listen to these extremists!" prays your religious advisor, Gregory Spoon. "Religion is an important guiding force in peoples' lives, but we have no right to force it on people.
And how it ends:
Atheists, since they don't have a religion, are less ethical and their actions cost society more, so it's only fair that they should be taxed more heavily to make up the difference."
