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they didn't suspect not because they were veterans, but because the probability was low, lower than your chance of being a star player. There's no need to make things up; I'm only playing my second game here, and the only person I considered "one of us" was the GM.

First of all, I'm not making things up; that's just my opinion. Secondly, I highlighted the discrepancy with Sesame in bold. Sesame assured me of the opposite, providing a table. So... Apparently, you, Snowman, can only play with such "newspapers." Because you'll get bored on the very first day after reading ours...(((
P.S. I couldn't resist and corrected "сторожа" (guard) to "старожила" (veteran) in the quote. No one has canceled grammar.

I also vote for quiet nights. Sleep is good for your health, and everyone needs good health.

because the probability is low

Another fan of probabilities?:D

They never explained what the problem was.

Well, I think people don't like "transparent" newspapers, meaning when the events in the newspaper can be quickly and unambiguously interpreted. I understand that it's more interesting when it's more complex... You're the one who likes the opposite of what's accurate.

I think we can find a compromise regarding the difficulty level so that the games aren't too random, but also not everything is immediately obvious. However, that would require significantly more time for the newspaper. Therefore, a limit on the submission of user-created content is definitely needed.

I wonder, is it actually possible to create a setting that everyone will like?

If people want the opposite, it will be very difficult. It's like walking a tightrope over an abyss. One step to the right, and one person is unhappy. One step to the left, and another person is unhappy.

I wonder, is it really possible to create a setting that everyone will like?

Well, Yaschur, I suppose people don't like "transparent" newspapers, that is, when the events in the newspaper can be quickly and unambiguously interpreted.

Well, if the problem is only in this, then there are no problems here. We have Revan, Arandor, Ment... Let the people rejoice...
And I'm glad that we have Kosha, Master, Shaman...

I understand, it's more interesting when it's more difficult... You're the one who likes to have the opposite of the actual situation.

I don't like blind gameplay not because it's "more difficult," but because I'm used to dealing with facts, not hallucinations. I still remember how they demanded that I expose you at night in the 76th game, even after I was dead.
As for the difficulties... I'm all for it. But the difficulties should be in the gameplay, not in the form of hallucinations in the newspapers. Set of Wulfgar is still a benchmark for difficulty for me. I couldn't play for three months after that.

Firstly, I'm not making things up; that's just my opinion. Secondly, I've highlighted the discrepancy with Tabby Sesame in bold. Sesame assured me otherwise, providing a table. So... it seems you, Snegovik, can only play with such newspapers. Because you'll get bored on the very first day after reading ours...(((
P.S. I couldn't resist and corrected "сторожа" (guard) to "старожила" (old-timer) in the quote. No one has canceled literacy.

Well, there are typos, what can you do? I was writing distractedly ^_^ Judge for yourself: what's the point of that phrase as I wrote it? None.

Well, if the problem is only this, then there are no problems here. We have Revan, Arandor, Ment... Let the people enjoy it...

:smile08:

Seth Wolfgar's set is still a benchmark for difficulty for me. I couldn't play for three months after that.

I don't remember it very well anymore, but yes, there was something epic there... I really overdid it a bit back then.)
P.S. By the way, I wonder where he is now. I don't understand where all our players go.

Nah, Reven, you see – Yaschur doesn't like your newspapers.
There's a brilliant option: randomly alternate newspapers, clues, and nighttime chatter with different parameters, but then players will start complaining about the wild mishmash.
Therefore, I'm happy with the current version – overall, it has its own vision of the mafia, but occasionally experimenters show up with brilliant ideas that bring variety and satisfy those who are tired of the current state of affairs.

Yeah, I'm all for it. But the difficulty should be in the network game, not in the form of drug references in the newspapers.

Okay, I'm posting an example of my newspaper for the Amber network game. Just in case, I'm providing a link to a Google Doc so you don't have to search for it for too long:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cpzP72V7TyJP_AmNoeVDuUvoxrNDL7-Fv9kj8F7JIgE/edit
Here's the first newspaper:
The beginning of the war.

Prologue
A tall, broad-shouldered man, with a thick black beard, slightly streaked with gray, took off a large ruby pendant from his neck. He stood before three steps, on the highest ridge of Colvir. He was waiting for the moon to illuminate the Path for him. From there, ascending to Tir-Na Nog't, he could go into the Reflection. And this Amulet would go to one of his sons.
High above his head, a faint silhouette suddenly appeared on the edge of visibility. As this silhouette intensified, sparks began to appear. The first lines appeared above the rock, as thin as a spiderweb. Bands of moonlight became more tangible. The outlines of the city above became clear, and the staircase became fully visible.
Green rings on the man's hand sparkled, no less than the ruby in his hand. Sighing, the man began to climb the steps.
"The beginning has been laid. I hope I'm not making a mistake," he muttered. With these words, the ruby light faded, disappearing into the distance.
***
He was still mentally going over all the curses he could remember. And although he managed to escape from the hospital where his ill-wishers had put him, he couldn't come up with the best plan for his next actions.
"Brake here, at the corner," he ordered the taxi driver. "Don't wait for me."
With the money he received from the "jailers," he was able to dress decently in the first store he came across: black trousers, a silvery-gray shirt, and a black jacket. It was time to decide where to go so as not to fall into the hands of his enemies. Perhaps he should go to the so-called "sister."
***
The shadow waited to attack. The shadow had long mastered the basics of Fire Magic. This allowed it to remain elusive to everyone. Who is everyone? The thought flashed through his mind. A momentary confusion... Everyone is everyone! That's the answer. It's worth reciting the spell... Something distracted the Shadow, something that was similar to it. However, it was different in essence. A terrible pain pierced his head. NO! Not THAT! I'M HERE, I'M ONLY HERE!!! AND I SEE THE GOAL!!! A wave of his hand, raised by insane magic, and a body fell onto the Versailles carpet.
Spoiler
"I hear the call. The War for the Throne of Amber has begun," the words whispered softly, like the waves rolling in. "It is necessary to find the traitor and make him pay!"
"I will try, Queen," the answer whispered just as softly.
***
The man was tormented by anger. Anger was an inexhaustible source of motivation, a symbol of his revenge! Therefore, noticing a lone figure, he attacked.
A little later, when the veil of rage had cleared from his eyes, the man realized that he had made a mistake.
"Never mind, one less devilish spawn!"
Spoiler

***
A Fakir pulsed violently on his left wrist. That means it's time to get out of here... He could already hear the sound of the Horn. Soon a bunch of hounds will come running... Who won't let him leave. Stroking the faithful bit with his finger, the man preferred to disappear. He did everything he could, the rest was reported by the Wheel.
***
He gazed thoughtfully into the distance, admiring the changeable sky of the Chaos Realms. Today, he suffered a setback. Well, as one of the nations inhabiting the Reflection Earth says, the absence of news is also news.
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Under the spoiler, there are no nicknames of the killed and clues to the killers, as there should be...

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So, the question is: is the newspaper completely incomprehensible? Is it a blind game? Explain, if I don't indicate the nicknames of the participants, but indicate the actions of the characters, is this a blind game????

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Therefore, I am satisfied with the current option - in general, there is its own vision of the mafia here, but from time to time experimenters with brilliant ideas come and bring diversity and satisfy those who are tired of the current state of affairs.

Well, then don't complain that the games take a month to get started. Because "experimenters" interfere in the long run))))

Yeah, and everyone else figured it out just as quickly that they hanged you on your own gates on the third day. By order of the king. the very next day.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Yes-yes, so obvious that Koshu-mafa were written into the hundred-percent townies...:D Where is the "obvious" part? Witch's tea doesn't count. That was actually a fail.:(

P.S. I just remembered that on 55, besides me, two other comrades (from the same forum) came to ХВ for mafia. I stayed, but those two said that ХВ is :smile18:, there's no point in killing since it doesn't take much brainpower to open Wikipedia and figure out the mafa, blah-blah-blah...:mad: And all because the GM turned out to be Pobeditel, who gives clues that are too easy. At the same time, they didn't even bother playing games with other GMs to adequately assess the level of clues. You have something similar going on, just in terms of newspaper leaks.

Yashur, the fact that the town didn't figure out my hint works in my favor; ask Shaman and he won't lie—I was already prepared for execution. And as for Kosha... I wonder why I saw her as a maf?)) Just like Owen and Heroist? )) Look at the chronology of when I infected her, and why didn't I prune her? Because I needed even one more maf left in the game.

I don't remember very well anymore, but yes, there was something epic going on... I really went a bit overboard back then.)
P.S. By the way, it would be nice to find him. Where do all our players go anyway? )

Who should we look for? If you mean the set, here it is: here. If you mean Wulfgar himself, I don't know...
Regarding the "epicness"... Koshi has all "Wulfgar" sets. Don't believe me? Here's proof:

Elder.
Special ability 1: double vote.
Special ability 2: cannot be executed, frozen, or killed by town roles.
Special ability 3: protection from the first attack or poisoning.
Special ability 4: after death, gains the ability to write notes in the newspaper and a single vote given through the GM.
Ultimate action: instantly executes the selected player, reveals his role. Pierces Black Widow's defense.

Berry
Special ability: impenetrable protection from the first attack and poisoning.
Nightly Action (NA): heals the selected player, cures poisoning for both nights.
Ultimate action: saves the first poisoned player, counting poisonings from the previous night.

Forest Fire
Special ability 1: impenetrable protection from the first attack and poisoning.
Special ability 2: killing ice creatures is always successful.
NA 1: kills the selected player, ignores natural defenses or guards and healing of choice.
NA 2: blocks two selected players, once every two nights.
Ultimate action: kills the selected player and all those who came to him, ignoring the initial target's natural defenses (guards and healing are ignored by default).

A little magic and...

Elder. 2 HP.
* double vote.
* cannot be executed and frozen, damage from town roles is always zero.
* after death, gains the ability to write notes in the newspaper and a single vote given through the GM.
Instantly executes the selected player, reveals his role. Pierces Black Widow's defense. (z1)

Berry. 2 HP
* Scale - any received damage is reduced to 1.
Heals the selected player, cures poisoning for both nights.
Saves the first poisoned player, counting poisonings from the previous night.(z1)

Forest Fire. 2 HP.
*Scale - any received damage is reduced to 1.
*Killing ice creatures is always successful.
-2 HP of the target.
-1 HP of the target, ignores guards and healing.
blocks two targets.(p1)
-2 HP of the target and -1 HP to everyone who came (z1).

Wulf has only more HP, but all roles have attacking NAs. If there are few HPs, then in one turn more than half of the players will be eliminated. Balance...