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What’s the point of it then?
А, вот почему.

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Sesame
There's so much information that you don't really need to think – just organize it into a table.
Yeah, that's why Koshu put everything into the game.:D And they only "removed" it when the Master said she was misleading. By the way, that's actually revealing information about a role, which is actually punishable. It's like if Haven said, "There's a Russian spirit about Yashur." ;)

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Sesame
Oh yeah, there was a funny glitch related to the Guardian – if she swaps the Sorceress and the Sorceress's target, the Sorceress doubles her own defense and can go back to the same target – get swapped by the Guardian, double her defense, go back to the same target... I didn't test it, but theoretically it looks funny.
You should have. They would have written in the newspaper, "The Sorceress had a good time and passed out until morning." :D
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Yes, the Sorceress wasn't particularly stingy with potions anyway.
А, вот почему.

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"Wise Citizens" on the first night hang the blocked player (it's just luck that the Forest Spirit blocked the Mafia instead of a Town member, but he could have). The Town member's poll gives him two Town roles and four Mafia roles. But "he can't be hanged" in case we kill a powerful role! But on the third day, it's okay! Although the ratio of Mafia to Town members has doubled!
"Wise Citizens" took into account the information from two new newspapers. Sesame wrote why the Hero isn't a Knight (although the Mafia wasn't attacking the Knight, but we didn't know that), and I wrote why he isn't a Warlord. But reading what others write is for noobs, right? True skills never read what others write...
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Be more specific, please, and in a softer, more readable form.

I'm asking.

The question about the side

The question about the description of a specific role. What are the complaints?

Well, this is just nitpicking about everything and anything, just to keep the Somafa from being killed. Learn how to lose.

The kill isn't shown either if the target is in SH, or if there is a block. Which is more likely? A block.

But it seems that before all the above, the ND was successful.

And that's good. Imagine if all games followed a template. Anyway, there was plenty of time to discuss everything; you decided to start doing this in the middle of the game, when everyone had already decided and voiced their dissatisfaction, and the Shaman fixed them.
It seems to me that anyone would be offended, at the very least, by such blistering criticism, full of grammatical errors and aggression. By the way, what insult was there, can't you remind me? Or even better, send it. Or is it obscene? :)
1) let them publish the mafchat; that's where I analyzed the GM's mistakes and gave examples of how more experienced GMs in other games adjusted the balance on the fly, correcting their errors... in 4 out of 6 cases, it didn't help anymore, but at least it gave the desire to keep playing and shut down the thought "The Lord does not want you to win," whereas here it's pure mockery: "Yes, I made a mistake, but it's too late to fix it; yes, I made a mistake again, but I won't fix it; and again I made a mistake, but I don't want to fix it"
2) demagoguery = a wonderful game: are you a snowman? (question about role)
are you made of several snowballs stacked on top of each other? (question about shape)
do you appear during the cold season? (question about time)

if you weren't taught to distinguish between form and content in philosophy classes, then that is a problem with YOUR education
3) you should have seen how many times the course of the game changed because of a violation of the correct execution format... this is a TRIAL, not a murder. Everything must be according to protocol. I didn't object when the Shaman told us that Alex wouldn't be online and was passing his vote to the Witch (although in all games, the votes of offliners are not counted; I myself lost twice as a maf because my partner didn't manage to get online and cast their vote)
4) the mafchat - in its entirety! since on this forum I can be called whatever you want without consequences, while any word of mine immediately goes into the protocol and there is a total lack of reaction to apologies offered

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1) when turn after turn the GM violates the rules they invented themselves and justifies it by saying "it just happened." Moreover, the biases are made ONLY in favor of the town (giving a reciprocal break to the mafs is FORBIDDEN because it's UNFAIR!
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I hope that all GMs will draw at least one conclusion from my game: once the game has started, only NDs and some questions (not all!!!) are accepted from the players. Any demands, requests, advice, and recommendations should not be considered, and it's better to punish them immediately with a modkill. Otherwise, regardless of the percentage of fulfilled requests and demands, the players will be dissatisfied. And if you obediently fulfill EVERYTHING that is "recommended" to you, then it's no longer your game
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You need to decide, first or second.
Option 1 - is bad because the GM is a fool and refuses to admit it. He runs the game purely for his own pleasure without thinking of others. An experienced GM in such a case tries to smooth over the situation within the rules. An honest one might say right away, "guys, I messed up - the balance has gone to hell, do we keep playing as is or start over while it's not too late?"

Option 2 - the GM takes full responsibility and runs the game trying to fix the blunders, and at the end honestly says: "here and here I messed up - here I got confused, here I made a mistake"

but here I see a joyful choir: "Magnificent game!, Wonderful GM! Great players!" "Why does the rooster praise the rooster without fear of sin? Because he praises the cuckoo"

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Heroist
Wishing you a speedy recovery!
just let me know the address :smile19:
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oven666
guys, I messed up – the balance went completely out of whack.
1. What exactly did the GM mess up? So far, I've only seen the bug with the display of the witch's tea, which is how Alex was exposed. But judging by what you're saying, the GM has a ton of bugs and glitches...
2. What caused the balance to go "completely out of whack"? Was it because the forest spirit successfully blocked your sorcerer on the first night? Or because the guardian spirit fed your teammate to the wolves instead of Alex? Well, the GM isn't to blame for that.:smile32:
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)) And I was afraid that we wouldn't catch up with Sylvan. Now Owen will help us catch up.
I'll read this in the evening.
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк..
Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов.
Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
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The Witch and the Herbalist are distributing their supplies to everyone who wants them.
А, вот почему.

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Neira Drake
I don't quite understand what's going on here.
Owen wanted human meat, went after Alex, and met Sesam along the way. She said to him: "Why do you need a human? Mermaid meat is much tastier..." In the end, the Shaman is to blame for everything...:rolleyes:
Neira Drake
I think you're having fun here.
You sure are!
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He wasn't entirely upset about that. Mostly, he was upset about the vote. He believed that I should have prevented the execution of the Hero. That's the main thing he considers as siding with someone, as far as I understand his position.
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KindShaman
He wasn't entirely upset about that. Mostly, he was upset about the vote. He thought I should have prevented the execution of the Heroist. That's the main thing he considers as siding with someone, as far as I understand his position.
But there were exactly enough votes. Or is he criticizing Snowman's vote?
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Exactly. I didn't expect such petty nitpicking here.
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SnowmanV2
That's exactly what I was referring to. I didn't expect such minor nitpicks here.
There was a mention of changing the voice, so there was a basis for flagging the Shaman's voice. But there was also a basis for not flagging it, as it wasn't formatted quite correctly.

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In my opinion, there are more grounds for complaints regarding the Master, who violated point 6.

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As well as regarding Ment.
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In my opinion, there are more grounds for complaints against the Game Master, who violated rule 6.
Well, there wasn't a literal "reveal" as such, especially not for the investigator. But the Game Master... However, this is the second time I've played in a mafia game without a reveal, so you decide for yourselves).

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