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Even if Heroist is indeed a Mafia member, he answered very correctly.
In general, I reread it and thought that maybe he really is a Mafia member. At least one of Ovn's posts might indicate a connection.
On the other hand, there's Saret, who also wants to be in the Mafia, as evidenced by the execution of Revan on the first day. And if Saret is a Mafia member, then Heroist probably isn't.
Heroist
11 years ago
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Forum users, those who have been playing here for a long time, tell me, in which Mafia game was a Heroes player the peacemaker and not killed on the first night?
By the way, it was in the 86th game. I really wanted to survive until the end of the game, but they didn't let me((
SnowmanV2
11 years ago
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Saret
And who is this?
Небо
11 years ago
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Here's the situation. The Mafia doesn't have anything on me. Because no non-detectable actions that would appear in the newspaper were used against me. It's very beneficial for them to eliminate me and, at the same time, find out my role, so they can cross it off their list and be sure about the roles of other players. But it's very disadvantageous for them to eliminate Heroist. Firstly, it's quite possible that he's one of them; secondly, according to Snowman, there are only two peaceful roles left on him. So, what's the point of eliminating him? None! But it's very preferable to eliminate me.
Alright, I've read through the first day, and Master is leaning towards a peaceful outcome. So, Alex, don't completely eliminate him; I gave you bad advice, forget it. Ugh, I can't keep up with you all. Hmm, I'll think about it some more. Does anyone want to execute Snowman? )
I want to... but not today! I'm refusing to choose between a potentially peaceful Olam and a potentially peaceful (with an important role) Hero.
Mika, you see, it's all about constraints here. It's like Sudoku: if you put a "3" in this square, then only a "2" can go in this one, and if you put a "2" in this one, then a "4" must go in that one. If the Hero is Mafia, then he's not a Werewolf, but a Pyromancer or a Bard. Then Ment is a Warlord, a Priest, or a Knight. And if the Hero is peaceful, then he's a Knight or a Warlord, so Ment is definitely a Werewolf, a Pyromancer, or a Bard. And the second Mafia is among those who are pushing for a second vote against the Hero. We need to weigh this, but no one wants to argue; everyone is just shouting "Let's hang him!!" hoping to guess correctly, like with Flower? No, it's more likely the work of the Mafia lobby:smile32:
Added 2 minutes later Olam Hável
The situation is this: the Mafia has nothing on me because they haven't used any Night Actions on me that would be reported in the newspaper. It's very beneficial for them to eliminate me and, moreover, to find out my role so they can cross it off their list and be sure about the roles of other players. But it's very disadvantageous to eliminate the Hero. First, he might be their guy; second, according to Snowman, there are only two peaceful roles on him. So, what's the point of eliminating him? None! But eliminating me is very advantageous.
There are only two, but they are dangerous for the Mafia: Knight and Warlord; they can disrupt the Mafia's kills
SnowmanV2
11 years ago
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I want to... but not today! I completely refuse to choose between a potentially peaceful Olahm and a potentially peaceful (with an important role) hero.
And on the first night, you were stubbornly against the hero.
Mika, you see, the whole thing here is about constraints. It's like Sudoku: if you put a "3" in this square, then only a "2" can go in this one, and if you put a "2" in this one, then a "4" must go in that one. If the Hero is Mafia, then he's not a Werewolf, but a Fire Mage or a Bard. Then the Cop is a Warrior, a Priest, or a Knight. And if the Hero is innocent, then he's a Knight or a Warrior, so the Cop is definitely a Werewolf. The Snowman is a Fire Mage or a Bard, and the second Mafia member is among those who are targeting the Hero for the second time. We need to weigh this, but no one wants to argue; everyone is just shouting, "Let's hang him!" They're hoping to guess correctly, like with the Flower? No, it's more likely that this is the work of the Mafia lobby.
Okay, let's assume that all the candidates are innocent today. Then who would you suggest, and why? You said that you went after the wrong person with Revan because of the wrong hint. So, the probability that the person in the block was a killer, and the Sorcerer didn't go out with a kill, but instead used a heal or a redirect, is quite high. But if it wasn't the Sorcerer, it could have been the Hero. I'm willing to listen to another opinion and I'm not going to fixate on those two, because I still have strong doubts about both of them. But I want to understand who you would suggest and why.
SnowmanV2
11 years ago
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Mika, you see, it's all about the constraints. It's like Sudoku: if you put a "3" in this square, then only a "2" can go in this one, and if you put a "2" in this one, then a "4" must go in that one. If the Hero is Mafia, then he's not a Werewolf, but a Fire Mage or a Bard; then the Cop is a Knight, a Paladin, a Priest, or a Crusader. But if the Hero is Innocent, then he's a Knight or a Paladin.Then the Cop is definitely a Werewolf.The Snowman is a Fire Mage or a Bard. And the second Mafia is among those who are accusing the Hero for the second time; you need to weigh it, but no one wants to argue; everyone is just shouting, "Let's hang him!" hoping to guess correctly, like with the Flower? No, it's more likely that this is the work of the Mafia lobby.
The Cop can't be a Werewolf because he was targeted on the second night. Are you selectively reading the conclusions or something? And why do you always want to accuse me of being Mafia? Is it because I don't want to hang an innocent Cop?
Added 1 minute ago By the way, Owen, try using commas. They say it makes you easier to understand.
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but no one wants to argue
Please, argue against your bias towards my snowy persona, and also explain why you were against the Hero on the first night, but now you're for him?
Ment
11 years ago
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Well, it seems like the sky is burning with some kind of peaceful role, which could be a Heroist. I think I have two alternative mafia scenarios. First: Saret is mafia. Then we exclude Heroist and Ovan, and Snowman and Sky become mafia. Or Sesam (but maybe Sesam is still a villager? He seems like one ;)). Second: Ovan and Heroist are mafia. The third one should be chosen from the above, excluding Saret. And Sesam is definitely a villager. Koshi's nickname would also look good here, but according to today's news, she's unlikely to be mafia, so that's it.
SnowmanV2
11 years ago
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So, the probability that there was a killer in the group, and the sorcerer didn't kill, but instead used healing or redirection, is quite high.
There was only one person in the group, and that was the sorcerer. So, most likely, he was the one who killed. Killing in the first night while ignoring healing is a very good move, and the healing itself is pointless, as the Sheriff cannot kill in the first night, and the marksman won't be active.
Added 4 minutes later What raises my suspicion is that Yaschur suddenly started attacking Mental after the newspaper, where it was proven that he wasn't Mafia.
Olam has been very passive throughout this time, but that is unlikely to be a reason to suspect him.
And based on the facts, the most likely Mafia member is the hero. But is a 50% chance and quiet behavior enough?
Well, it seems like the sky is burning with some kind of peaceful role, which could be a Hero. I think I have two alternative mafia scenarios. First: Saret is mafia. Then we exclude Heroist and Ovn, and Snowman and Sky become mafia. Or Sesam (but maybe Sesam is still a villager? He seems like one ;)). Second: Ovn and Heroist are mafia. The third one should be chosen from the above, excluding Saret. And Sesam is definitely a villager.
I see that there's some good confusion with a lot of whitewashing going on. In this situation, I would suggest taking a risk and checking at least one of these branches. NNV is not an option; the previous game was a good example of how that plays out, if I remember correctly, they just killed everyone. (although in the last game, I was a mega offer (( ))
SnowmanV2
11 years ago
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By the way, in the previous game, I accused Yashur of being a maniac, and Oven started claiming that I was Mafia. Now, Oven says I'm a member of the Mafia after I accuse Yashur. Logically, he's the maniac. ^_^
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P.S. What a lot of off-topic posts in just 3 days.
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Then we exclude Heroista and Oven.
Why, exactly, are we excluding them?
Ment
11 years ago
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Saret didn't seem too eager to ban Revan on the first day, but he wouldn't mind banning Heroist, if I'm not mistaken.
In general, Owen, although he's acting strangely, seems to be genuinely trying to analyze things, and Snowman is also participating.
I don't know. This doesn't quite align with what I wrote, but it shouldn't be ignored.
SnowmanV2
11 years ago
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It’s also strange that on the first day, Oвен was against executing Revan, but voted for the hero, but now he refuses to hang him, even though he’s potentially a peaceful player.