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The moderator is absolutely right; there's nothing to add.
When people say "Ugh" just because I didn't find the time to sit at the computer for five hours straight and write the introductory post in one go, but instead wrote it in parts during breaks between apartment repairs.
Don't you have Word or at least Notepad on your computer? Why can't you write everything there during breaks from the repairs, and then copy the finished and well-formatted setting into the Workshop?
The same goes for the demand that I rewrite easily accessible information in my own words: "copying is a faux pas and shows disrespect."
You were asked to write a few paragraphs to make it clear who all these people are. No one forced you to rewrite the texts of all the books by hand. I simply won't believe that you are incapable of outlining the most important points of the setting from the book in ten lines.
I was actually only suggesting that Silverfall and Heroist meet offline. Do you think the reason was insufficient?
The reason was insufficient. Nothing said online is a sufficient reason for threatening to meet in person.
Otherwise, I simply pulled out a few very rude and unpleasant phrases from your posts, which in most cases could have been easily softened, and then the conflict wouldn't have escalated, and everything would have been fine.
Attention – this is a question for the players and moderators of the Heroes forum. Do you really all think that I am excessively aggressive, do not see any reason for my behavior, and believe that Heroist and Sieverfal are sweet little angels who have been wronged without cause? If so, then I will follow Val D'Emerol's advice and leave this Haven: :smile17: "I won't come here again! Get me a carriage!" Master, Sesam, Snegovik, Yashchur, thank you for the interesting game and pleasant company. I wish you all the best in the coming year:smile02:
Pff… “I said, you said, I thought, you think…” It’s all nonsense. It’s generally difficult for me to understand people who seriously respond to attacks (or what they consider to be attacks) on the internet. This is beyond my comprehension; why waste time on empty chatter that brings neither moral satisfaction nor joy from communication, nor anything positive.
And it seems like it all started with this: /topic/at/773017/oven666
MasteR Well, of course, it’s easy to say when you don’t have to invent 8 clues for a player profile under extremely tight time constraints, where everything is complete nonsense from a practical point of view.
You think it's hard? Okay, by the New Year holidays, I will run a Mafia game, especially since I have drafts for several fantasy and a couple of historical settings.
Do I understand correctly that this question can now be closed? You simply didn’t get to the quest “invent 8 clues for a player profile under extremely tight time constraints.” The forum isn’t like that – there’s no "spoiler" tag, the players aren’t like that – they are too picky about how the setting should be designed, the moderators aren’t like that… In general, it doesn’t matter what prevented you. The bottom line is that you probably didn’t get to it, and it was probably difficult.
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк.. Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов. Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
Regarding everything else, you can look at it from different angles, but I can't help but say this: what a nightmare! Oven, come on, think about it. Where were you offended? About your mother? You yourself said that she is your Internet limiter; Heroist just repeated it.
repeated? Oh no, he rephrased it. My mother asked me to finish the renovation in her room, which is why I didn't plan to GM until January; I planned to deal with things in real life first. And he presented it as if my mother ORDERED me to "turn off the computer and go work – time for business, an hour for pleasure," portraying me as some kind of overgrown child whose mother forbids him from drinking, smoking, and sitting in front of the TV/computer after midnight. Ment
The problem wasn't that real life limits your time on the Internet (this is perfectly normal; most people here are in the same situation, unable to spend hours on the forum for various reasons), but that you were the only one who tried to use this fact to justify the shortcomings of your set in response to criticism.
That's not true. I was only justifying the partial release of the set. Ment
That's not good. Just say, "I have little time, but it will be finished later." That's enough; everyone does that.
I said that "it will be finished later," but I wasn't heard. Or are you being deceitful? Ment
And regarding the descriptions, Heroist is absolutely right. Is it forbidden to copy? Why did you come to that conclusion? In my Avatar-based Mafia, I created the introduction based on the opening scene of the cartoon. But if you copy, you either choose small but concise quotes that immediately make everything clear (for example, if I were working on a set for Amber, I could use Corvin's thoughts about their strengths as descriptions of the roles), or you create a mix of your own description and book quotes. It's definitely not worth copying the entire book here (well, not the whole thing, but you get the idea). If I misinterpreted your intentions and you were going to do what I'm advising you now, I apologize.
I'll say it one last time: The brief character descriptions were there, but those who hadn't read the book, and it's very long, couldn't understand who was good and who was bad from them, and they asked me to provide a description of the world. In the Mafias I played before, the world was usually described by the GM, or it was an existing world like "Dune," "Game of Thrones," or "Warhammer," and the description was usually found on a wiki. Agree that a description created and edited by fans, which they have been polishing for months, will always be of higher quality than something a person can write in a day. That's why I was confused for a long time by the unwillingness to click on the link and read the character and plot descriptions on the wiki. And when I finally gave in to the pressure and spent a few hours copying and editing the description, I received only negativity in response. Now, apparently, I am obliged to delete all this and write it again in my own words. I calculated how much time it would take, and I was really angry. And after that, when they started attacking me when I was already angry, do you expect me to respond positively? Did you deserve it? Ment
Regarding violence, additions, and all that... People can be understood for being upset by it. We sometimes say a sharp word, but resorting to threats is too much. You are wrong, Oven. And in general, be calmer. You often respond negatively to completely neutral posts, as far as I can see. Yes, a large number of criticisms of your work can be discouraging. But keep it to yourself; the only problem people have here is that they write a lot and often. This may be a little unpleasant for you (well, what can you do, there's one GM, and many consumers, everyone wants to have their say), but if you allow yourself to respond negatively, that's when all the bad things will start. People will just be surprised: "I didn't write anything like that; why is he so angry?" Well, you get the idea. Take it easy, and people will be drawn to you.
Thank you, but being calmer is not for me. And one thing is a "sharp word" {I can do that myself, for example:
answer again about the video with homosexuals
wasn't one answer enough? Do you want more? Well, you were definitely lying about the anal orgasm: D}, and another is personal attacks or jokes about rape. I personally know several people who have experienced violence, and therefore I don't consider it a topic for jokes under any circumstances.
Well, the fact that Heroist and Severfal have not even tried to de-escalate the situation, lower the temperature, and at least acknowledge the inappropriateness of their words {let alone apologize} only confirms that they are just ordinary trolls.
Drakosha1: I posted it in parts so that people could read it and start formulating some comments and questions about the players that were already posted. You need to value time, and not just your own, but also others'.
2. There were a few paragraphs, but they didn't satisfy people; they demanded a detailed description of the world for those who hadn't read it.
3. Sometimes, it's enough to make a person answer for their words once, and they will think before they speak for the rest of their life. If you ignore them, a human-like creature will grow up, confident that anything is allowed.
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Sesame
Am I understanding correctly,
no.
Sesame
and is it difficult?
It's not difficult; it's difficult to communicate with people who only want to kick you:mad:
I'm saying this for the last time: The brief character descriptions were not enough for those who hadn't read the book, which is very long, to understand who was good and who was bad, so they asked me to provide a description of the world in the Mafia games I had played before. Usually, in those games, the world was either a fictional one created by the GM, or an existing one like "Dune," "Game of Thrones," or "Warhammer," and the description was usually found on a wiki. Don't you agree that a description created and edited by fans over months will always be better than something a person can write in a day? That's why I was so confused by the reluctance to follow the link and read the character and plot descriptions on the wiki. And when I finally gave in to the pressure and spent several hours copying and editing the description, I only received more negativity in response. Now, it turns out that I'm supposed to delete all of that and rewrite it in my own words. I calculated how much time that would take, and I got really angry. And then, when they started attacking me for being angry, they ask if they can expect a positive response? Do they deserve it?
Couldn't it have been simpler, just writing "good" and "bad" directly in the message with the setting, above the commands? What's with all the difficulties?
It's not difficult; it's difficult to communicate with people who only want to put you down:mad:
Well, yes, the job of a GM is not only to create a balanced and interesting scenario, come up with clues, and beautifully present the results, but also to communicate with players, answer their questions, and address their complaints. In fact, the Master communicated with the same people as you. And Shaman is currently communicating with them. Strangely, I haven't seen any complaints from them about how difficult it is to communicate with these people. In any case, it's up to you to decide whether you can handle the game (taking into account the above) and whether you even want to.
..разым двазым трызым рызым пята лата сигерь мата локом боком крюк за крюк из бульмы бульма урюк.. Знание некоторых закономерностей освобождает от изучения многих фактов. Мечты сбываются рано или поздно, так или иначе.
Couldn't you just write "good" and "bad" directly in the message with the setting, above the commands? What's the point of all these complications?
Neira: The world isn't black and white. The Dharians in the first book were the embodiment of evil... Then Magister Darken Ral died, and Magister Richard Ral led them at the forefront of the forces of Good against the Sno-Hod. The Sisters of Light understand good as absolute control over the neutrals. Are they good or evil?
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Yes, the GM's job is not only to create a balanced and interesting setting, come up with clues, and beautifully present the results, but also to communicate with players, answer their questions, and address their complaints. In fact, the Master communicated with the same people as you. And Shaman is communicating now. Strangely, I haven't seen any complaints that it's difficult to communicate with these people. In any case, it's up to you to decide whether you can handle the game (taking into account the above) and whether you even want to.
You are incorrectly formulating the GM's task: answering questions: Yes listening to complaints AFTER the game: Yes tolerating insults: No reacting to any whims: No taking into account and considering constructive criticism: Yes listening to "criticism" like "It's all bad" : No
Neyra, the world isn't black and white. The Dharians in the first book were the embodiment of evil... Then, Magister Darken Ral died, and Magister Richard Ral led them at the forefront of the forces of Good against the Sister of Light. Do they understand good as absolute control over neutrals? Are they good or evil?
I'm not talking about the realities of the book, but about the realities of your setting. Who is the "city" and who is the "mafia" in your world? =)
Oh no - he misinterpreted what Mom said. She asked me to finish the repairs in her room, which is why I wasn't planning on playing Heroes until January. I planned to take care of things in real life first. But he presented it as if Mom had ORDERED me: "Turn off the computer and go work – it's time for work, not for fun." He portrayed me as some kind of grown-up baby, whose mom forbids him from drinking, smoking, and sitting in front of the TV/computer after midnight.
Well, that's a bit much! His only offense is that he made fun of your age. And I have to agree that it's a bit ironic, although not terrible. It's just that the usual internet restrictions for someone your age are different. But that's not the point. Everything else, about "ordered" and so on, you wrote yourself; I can't find anything like that anywhere. All I saw was irony. I'm not arguing; if you take it to heart, it might be a little offensive, but it's usually best to respond with irony. And in general, Heroist is a very nice person; it's strange that you managed to argue with him. As for the rest... Maybe you're right about something, I have to say that it looked different from the outside, but let it go. I suggest that instead of analyzing "who offended whom and when" and making fruitless attempts to figure out where the truth lies, we just continue doing what we're here for: your set. If you can, send a link, and I'll try to comment on it.
And, generally speaking, continuing Ment's post, what's left to discuss here? It's perfectly clear that in this situation, everyone will stick to their own opinion, which is normal, and that's usually how it is. So, let's stop throwing mud at each other and try to get along.
Was one answer not enough for you? Did you want more? You definitely lied about anal orgasms. And the other thing – personal attacks or jokes about rape. I personally know several people who have experienced violence, and therefore I don't consider it a topic for jokes under any circumstances.
No answer? Just jokes about my orientation? That's clear. I'm still waiting for the tickets to Moscow, by the way. And in general, you shouldn't write anything anymore, you've already said goodbye.
Well, the fact that Heroist and Silverfall haven't even tried to de-escalate the situation, lower the temperature, and at least acknowledge the inappropriateness of their words (let alone apologize) only confirms that they are just ordinary trolls.
See, Heroist, how easy it is to get an undeserved accusation of trolling? Expressed my own opinion – I'm a troll. Now at least one person understands how difficult it is for me to listen to all these unfair attacks.
Where do we go? Where do we end up when we save the world?
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