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I am also a believer.
I believe that everyone has their own God, and at the same time, He is one. I don't know how to explain it... And do I even need to? The main thing is to believe!
When things happen in life that you didn't even hope for, you realize that someone in heaven or on earth is praying for you...

And there's also that amazing feeling when you enter a church. It's indescribable!

P.S. This post turned out to be a collection of fragmented phrases... just thoughts out loud.
But you should still try to describe this feeling)). I'm not a big sinner either (even though I'm not a believer), but I haven't felt anything special when visiting a church)). If I don't believe in God, but I do good, will I not go to heaven (if it exists)? Or is it enough to simply believe in God to get to heaven?))) If the priest is young, he can still sin, but when he no longer has many opportunities (sick liver, something else is also not working, and it's time to think about eternity), he becomes an example of faith))). What is this called? Is this right? I'm so tired of your (I'm speaking generally) pomposity!!! Be simpler!! Don't try to present yourself as better than you really are!! If you do good, do it quietly, without making a fuss!!
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But you should still try to describe this feeling)). I'm not a big sinner myself (even though I'm not religious), but I didn't feel anything special when visiting a church)). If I don't believe in God, but I do good deeds, will I not go to heaven (if it exists)? Or is it enough to simply believe in God to get to heaven?))) If the priest is young, he can sin, but when he no longer has many opportunities (a sick liver, and something else is also not functioning properly, and it's time to think about eternity), he becomes an example of faith))). What is this called? Is this right? I'm so tired of your (in general) pomposity!!! Be simpler!! Don't try to present yourself as better than you really are!! If you do good, do it quietly, without making a fuss!!
Do you think priests somehow advertise themselves?:) People come to them on their own. And the fact that a priest, and just a person in general, is young doesn't mean that his sins are forgiven "for free." I've already said, it's up to his conscience. Faith alone is not enough, because it is said, "faith without works is dead." As for good deeds without faith... I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. I think God would forgive that too, but the devil is not asleep. God is always ready to accept you. All that is required of you is to accept him. And please don't nitpick about the words; to accept is not just "to simply believe." Satanists are believers too. Love is expressed in good deeds.
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Do you think priests somehow advertise themselves?:) People come to them on their own. And the fact that a priest, and just a person in general, is young doesn't mean that his sins are forgiven "for free." I've already said, it's up to his conscience. Faith alone is not enough, because it is said, "faith without works is dead." As for good deeds without faith... I don't know. Honestly, I don't know. I think God would forgive that too, but the devil is always watching. God is always ready to accept you. All that is required of you is to accept Him. And please don't nitpick about the words; to accept is not just "simply believe." Satanists are believers too. Love is expressed in good deeds.
You speak much more convincingly than some))).
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Прошу прощения у Arandor-а. Я слишком резко отреагировал. Просто очень люблю спорт. Извини...[/SIZE]
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Why would a god need people to believe in him? Does his reputation improve because of it? Is he competing with the Devil? In my opinion, everyone does their own thing without interfering with each other. If you want to believe in a god, believe, but don't mess things up yourself. If you don't want to believe, it won't make him any hotter or colder.
If anyone is going to judge a person after death, it will be history.
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Why would a god need to be accepted? Does his reputation improve because of it? Is he competing with the Devil? In my opinion, everyone does their own thing without interfering with each other. If you want to believe in God, believe, but don't mess things up yourself. If you don't want to believe, he won't care either way.
If anyone is going to judge a person after death, it will be history.
Alexey, have you ever considered that God LOVES his creations? If God were indifferent, as you say, we wouldn't exist.
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I also love my poems. I love my works. But I don't demand that they have faith in me. I don't care what the letters of the poems whisper about. Let them argue whether I exist or not; I won't disappear because of it; I will remain. And if my poems suddenly believe that I didn't write them, but Vasya Pupkin did, then the essence of it won't change.
And a god, precisely because he loves his creations, won't be angry with them for such trivial things as faith or disbelief. Don't attribute human qualities to gods; it's not for us to judge them.
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I also love my poems. I love my works. But I don't demand that they have faith in me. I don't care what the letters of the poems whisper about. Let them argue whether I exist or not; I won't disappear because of it; I will remain. And if my poems suddenly believe that I didn't write them, but Vasya Pupkin did, the essence of it won't change.
And God, precisely because He loves His creations, will not be angry with them for such trivial things as faith or disbelief. Don't attribute human qualities to gods; it's not for us to judge them.
The example with the poems is not a good one because people are not like factory-made dolls; otherwise, all people would be the same, and they would be God's children. You are starting to talk about what I have long explained about children and parents. And God is, in fact, a person; you just need to understand that. He is one hundred percent God and one hundred percent human; He created people in His image and likeness. He loves His children and takes care of them when they ask. God even created all the conditions so that the human soul would live well; He created Paradise. All that is required of you is to believe and behave well. Is that so difficult? If you don't want to obey, you don't have to. God has given people the freedom of choice. If you tell God "go away," He will go away, and the devil will be glad because the child is left without supervision, and he can safely start working with the "client."

God doesn't even require worship. After all, not all believers go to church. Just believe and behave well. Is that so difficult?
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Are all poems the same? I thought that a good poet's poems are all unique in their own way. I also create my heroes in my own image and likeness. But I am not a letter, not a line. And God is not a man. And paradise is just a human invention, something people want to believe in, that they will be well after death. God would never create either paradise or hell. He doesn't need to reward his creations. Why? I don't reward my poems.
And the Devil cares about people as much as God does. He also cannot be judged by human standards.
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Are all poems the same? I thought that a good poet's poems are all unique in their own way. I also create my heroes in my own image and likeness. But I am not a letter, not a line. So, God is not a human. And paradise is just a human invention, something people want to believe in, that they will be fine after death. God would never create either paradise or hell. He doesn't need to reward his creations. Why? I don't reward my poems.
And the Devil cares about people as much as God does. He also cannot be judged by human standards.
Alex, poems don't have their own soul; they have the soul of the poet, but not their own. That's why I say it's a bad example. People are God's children, not letters or lines. Do you treat your children with the same indifference?
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You know, all the problems children have stem from the fact that adults always think they know what's best for them. Parents are so concerned about their children that their freedom is reduced to zero. If the gods cared for people in the same way, they would have long ago become disillusioned with humanity. Why do the gods need human children? What is their purpose? If the gods created humans to bring them to the level of gods, why didn't they just make them gods right away? And if the goal is paradise or hell, then I wouldn't believe in such a god.
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That's precisely the point: God is the perfect parent. He doesn't coddle or baby-talk. He rewards good deeds and punishes bad ones, to put it bluntly. Earthly life is just preparation; true life begins when the soul leaves the body. Then, in purgatory, the soul goes through trials, and it's determined what good you've done, what bad you've done, and a decision is made about where you deserve to live – in Heaven or in Hell. Life is an exam, my friend. An exam where there's no "easy pass" or "retake."
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Now, let's return to the topic of the Absolute (sorry for the irregular updates, I'm just in the middle of exams and my head is often occupied with other things, so I have to interrupt). As I understand it, all your objections regarding the Absolute stem from the fact that, as an initially non-sentient energy, it cannot create anything. You are right about the wind; it was a bad example, but energy is not wind. A more accurate example is that energy flows create magnetic fields, electric fields, and auras. I don't know how the Absolute created the Universe, but you don't know how God created it either (the 7 days described in the Bible have many contradictions). We can assume that flows of primordial energy, changing, created magnetic, electric, etc., fields, which somehow transformed into material objects. The more objects appeared, the more complex they became. And the Absolute began to develop consciousness because it ceased to be flows of energy and became the Universe. Those parts that gained individuality and consciousness separated from the Absolute and became gods. Some gods were created by humans (or other sentient beings?), while others appeared in the process of creating simpler objects.
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Let's return to the topic of the Absolute (I apologize for the irregularity, it's just that I have exams and my head is often occupied with other things, so I have to interrupt). As I understand it, all your claims about the Absolute boil down to the fact that, as an initially non-sentient energy, it cannot create anything. You are right about the wind, that was a bad example, but energy is not wind; a more accurate example is that energy flows create a magnetic field, an electric field, an aura, and so on. I don't know how the Absolute created the Universe, but you don't know how God created it either (the 7 days described in the Bible have many contradictions). It can be assumed that flows of primordial energy, changing, created magnetic, electric, etc. fields, which somehow transformed into material objects. The more objects appeared, the more complex they became. And the Absolute began to develop consciousness because it ceased to be flows of energy and became the Universe. The parts that gained individuality and consciousness separated from the Absolute and became gods. Some gods were created by people (or other sentient beings?), others appeared in the process of creating simpler objects.
You see, Saruman, you are now explaining the process of creating the world, not its cause. There are no contradictions in the seven-day creation of the world. On the contrary, "The Creation of the World" not only does not deny but also agrees with the fact of evolution. It's just that seven days are not necessarily seven human days, because there was no human then. And a substance that does not possess intelligence will not be able to create anything worthwhile, whether it is energy flows, plasma, or anything else. Intelligence develops in a child at about the age of three, maybe a little earlier. Let's give a two-year-old child paper and a pencil and see what he draws, what he creates. What will he create? He will shake the pencil in his hand and throw it away.

By the way, don't you think that the Absolute itself, without intelligence, could be guided by something higher? Something more intelligent?;)
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So, did God create the world, or did he give birth to it? There are two historically significant viewpoints on this matter.
1. Pagan (historically older) - God gave birth to the world, and the world is part of God, and all people are God's offspring (gods, in essence).
2. Jewish - God CREATED the world, and the world is, therefore, something like God's poem, rather than a part of him. And man is God's slave, who, being a god (it is unclear how, if he is a creation), violated a rather strange commandment of the Creator with the help of some snake and lost his (it is unclear how it suddenly appeared) divinity. In order to "deify" the fallen man again, God makes a covenant with him (within one nation) about loyalty to him. Then comes a very complex structure for the salvation of the fallen man. The appearance of the Messiah in order to extend this covenant to other peoples and make God's slave a god.
In the first case, man is divine by default, but in the second, his divinity is very convoluted and quite dubious.
I would also like to note here that pagan belief is more universal, simple, and logical for faith. The very word "pagan" speaks of the belief of peoples ("languages"), i.e., it implies that world religion that existed in ancient times before the dominance of the Jewish interpretation of the origin of the world.
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"Christian sources reporting on the life of Christ cannot be trusted because they were written later and merely attributed to authors of the 1st century."

The authenticity of the Gospels and other books of the New Testament is proven by the fact that other ancient monuments of Christian literature frequently quote them. These include, for example, the following documents: seven epistles of St. Ignatius own-bearer (107 AD), the epistle of St. Polycarp of Smyrna (155 AD), the First Epistle of St. Clement to the Corinthians (95 AD), the Didache, or the Teaching of the 12 Apostles (end of the 1st century), the Epistle of Barnabas, and so on. It is perfectly clear that if the Gospels were a later forgery, quotes from them could not be found in these monuments of the earliest Christian literature. Furthermore, the very nature of the events described gives us every reason to consider the authors of the narrative truthful people; otherwise, they would not have often depicted themselves in an unflattering light. They would hardly have mentioned Peter's denial, the flight of all the apostles when Christ was taken into custody, the sleep that overcame the chief apostles during Jesus' prayer, their disputes over places in the future kingdom of heaven, and so on.

In general, the criticism of the authenticity of the Gospels underwent a peculiar evolution over several decades. Since work on the critical study of text was still very underdeveloped in the middle of the 19th century, critics could allow themselves the boldest assertions, presenting them as the only scientific theories and denying the authenticity of almost all New Testament writings. But the more serious study of this issue caused by polemics, both from defenders and opponents of the authenticity of the books of Holy Scripture, changed the matter fundamentally. As a result, the critics themselves were forced to recognize the authenticity of these books.

The great scholar A. Harnack (1930), one of the most prominent critical researchers of early Christian literature, was forced himself to honestly admit the unquestionable authenticity of the specified books. Subsequently, scholarly research found more and more confirmations of the authenticity of the Gospels and other books of the New Testament, so that when some critics attempted in later years to dispute the reliability of the four most certain Epistles of St. Apostle Paul, serious criticism unanimously distanced itself from such opinions.

Opponents of the authenticity of the Gospels tried hardest to deny it regarding the Gospel of John, claiming that it was written in the middle of the 2nd century.

Although both the style and language of this Gospel speak in favor of its authenticity, for a long time there were no exact proofs for this, namely proofs of an external nature. Meanwhile, in the 30s of the 20th century, a papyrus from the 20s of the 2nd century AD was found in Egypt containing an excerpt from the eighteenth chapter of the Gospel of John. This destroyed the last argument of the deniers: if this Gospel was already known in Egypt in the 20s of the 2nd century, then it is clear that it must have been written 20-25 years earlier, which completely coincides with Christian tradition.

Opponents of Christianity made another attempt regarding the historicity of the gospel narratives: they tried to refute it on the grounds that in the Epistles of St. Apostle Paul, Christ is spoken of only as some unearthly being and not as a historical person. But anyone who has read the Epistles of Apostle Paul carefully knows that this is not so: God sent His Son (the Only Begotten), Who was born of a woman, subject to the law (Gal. 4:4). About His Son, Who was born of the seed of David according to the flesh (Rom. 1:3). Christ died for our sins (1 Cor. 15:3). Christ humbled Himself, being obedient even unto death, and death on a cross (Phil. 2:8).

All this refers, of course, to Christ as a historical person. What then remains at all of the "scientific" refutation of the gospel narratives? Perhaps only a series of minor nitpicks, as we shall now see.
"Holy Scripture (the Bible) is not a divinely inspired book, as there are contradictions between the narratives of various books, errors of a geographical or historical nature. This means these books were written by different people, and not at all by the Holy Spirit, as Christians think."

Here, first of all, it should be established what Christians understand by the divine inspiration of Holy Scripture.

Atheists believe that, in the opinion of believing Christians, the divine inspiration of the Bible consists in the fact that the personality of the chronicler is as if abolished and the Holy Spirit dictates every letter to him. In this case, all books of the Bible would be written in a completely identical style and phrasing, and their titles: from Luke, from Mark, from John, Epistles of St. Apostle Paul or the Pentateuch of Moses - would be completely unjustified. In reality, according to Christian teaching, the divine inspiration of Holy Scripture consists in the fact that the Holy Spirit suggests thoughts to the author of a particular book of the Bible, which the latter sets down in writing. The Holy Spirit protects him from errors; therefore, there are no errors in the entire Bible. Of course, this applies only to what the divinely inspired chronicler himself said, and not to the persons he describes. Otherwise, one would have to claim that the Bible teaches that God does not exist, since it contains the words: The fool has said in his heart, There is no God (Ps. 52:1).

Incidentally, let us note that here it is clear who spoke and what was spoken, but sometimes the Bible does not give us such clarity. For example, speaking about the structure of the world, the classification of animals and their various properties, the biblical narrators did not at all have as their goal to record and establish the incorrect cosmographic or natural-historical views that existed then. In these cases, they simply used expressions that were understandable to everyone at the time, leaving them unchanged, since this in no way hindered the communication in the Bible of those religious knowledge which needed to be passed on to people. This is an important point for the correct understanding of the Bible.

Imagine what would have happened if, under the influence of the Holy Spirit, exact knowledge about the actual structure and origin of the world, about all properties of plants and animals had begun to be used in the books. If at that time they had started talking about atoms and molecules, protons and electrons, about the structure of the universe and myriads of suns, many times exceeding our sun in size, about a whole world of microscopic animals which no one could see for millennia. What would their contemporaries, as well as entire generations of their descendants, have understood from the narrative of the Bible?
"The Bible cannot be considered a Holy book, as it tells too much about deceits, violations of marital own-fidelity, even about incest and murders, and the Bible does not always condemn such actions."

The Bible is a Holy book not because all its heroes were saints from the point of view of modern Christian requirements. The Bible, as a truthful book, depicts its heroes with all their inherent flaws. Its language is sometimes harsh, almost crude, for such was the life of the people it describes. The Bible always condemned sin, and many of its pages are full of exhortations to stop a sinful life, not to offend God with sins. Speaking of David's grave sin, the Bible through the mouth of the prophet Nathan condemns his action as deserving of death.

Of course, in the Old Testament, the concept of sin was not yet as clear as in the New Testament - one cannot punish a minor and an adult equally strictly for the same offense. Even Abraham, the father of the chosen people, who came from among the unbelievers, could not fully cast off their concepts and ideas. These concepts are not immediately rooted out by God. Divine Providence slowly and patiently educates man, rather than forcing him immediately; therefore, violations of marital fidelity in those times could not be condemned as strictly as later. Likewise, relations between relatives were not considered a great sin, since in the very beginning all humanity was a group of blood relatives.

The Bible contributed to the strengthening of moral concepts, Christianity sanctified and elevated them, and ultimately, even non-believers are indebted to Christianity for the establishment of moral laws. Subconsciously they recognize their value, drawn from the Bible.

Now about pagans. God in any religion is something higher, perfect. Even in Buddhism, where gods are by no means immortal, nevertheless deities represent the basis from which an example should be taken. In paganism there are always many gods and all of them are perfect. Isn't that a lot of perfections?:) Moreover, they differ practically in nothing from people - except for strength and immortality. They marry, divorce, kill each other (despite their immortality?:D ), weave intrigues, cheat, are jealous, take revenge. How can a crowd of children who completely cannot get along with one another maintain balance in the world? With such gods, I think, the end of the world would have come long ago.:)
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