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Registered: 10/30/2008 9:23 PM UTC

Posts: 3,652

8/30/2014 10:18 AM UTC #2

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So, the most important tournament of the year will probably start soon, tentatively scheduled for September 8th. Therefore, participants must confirm their participation by September 6th, so that if the main participant withdraws, we can have time to make a replacement.
Aya, Maretti, Kilgor, Stinger, BISHOP, Redwhait HP, Heroin_HP, bubuch, HellLight, KobRa_RR, and rebellious – we are registering you.
If anyone from the above list does not confirm their participation by September 7th, they will automatically be considered withdrawn.
The countdown has begun, gentlemen, the starting signal is coming... :)

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Весна 2012.

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Registered: 4/29/2007 10:30 AM UTC

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9/27/2014 12:32 PM UTC #68

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evil_romantic

I agree, if it is adopted unanimously, then we play by the new rules, if not — by the old ones. Those who are against — write.

I don't understand the point of a for/against poll. The tournament is played by the HeroesWorld rules. If the rules changed during the tournament, the changes apply to all tournaments. The only exceptions are games that have already started.

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9/27/2014 12:51 PM UTC #69

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Dirty_Player

I don't understand the point of a poll for/against. The tournament is played according to HeroesWorld rules. If the rules changed during the tournament, the changes apply to all tournaments. The only exceptions are games that have already started.

The rules changed during the tournament, which is why there's a poll (in case any of the participants are strongly against it), but basically I don't see any arguments against it yet, so there shouldn't be any problems

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Весна 2012.

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Registered: 11/23/2007 1:34 PM UTC

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9/27/2014 12:52 PM UTC #70

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Red Rush doesn't bother me at all; rather, it bothers my opponents. :) It could have been canceled a long time ago. A chess timer can only be introduced from the next season, and besides, it will further divide the dwindling community when it is implemented "forcibly" without alternatives. I had my own concept for a proper hero timer, not a chess timer, which in its current form is an element of gameplay that significantly narrows the gameplay of Heroes (and shifts the balance in a non-equilibrium direction). Or, you could not change anything at all and proceed from some constant point. If you want a shorter or longer timer, you "pay" for it (because right now, only one side is paying). Separate tournaments should be held for players who prove they are faster and more agile; these could be on M-maps or even on a running track, instead of catering to them. In chess, there are usually five pieces left in the endgame, but in Heroes, the opposite happens, and the scale grows. But this is not taken into account in the timer. The cost of a small mistake in Heroes is often disproportionate and fatal (which Wargaming still hasn't implemented in the form of a time bank). And also regarding the regulations: the order of placement in the tournament table in case of a tie in points is not specified. Otherwise, after the tournament is over, there will be several candidates, and OFB-8 next will begin

Summer 2013

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9/27/2014 12:58 PM UTC #71

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I still don't understand your opinion – are you for using a chess timer and canceling the Round Robin system starting from the 2nd round, or are you against it? I'll add the point about sharing places to the regulations a little later.

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9/27/2014 1:04 PM UTC #72

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Dirty_Player

I don't see the point in a poll for/against. The tournament is played according to HeroesWorld rules. If the rules change during the tournament, the changes apply to all tournaments. The only exceptions are games that have already started.

..........

Redwhait HP

And this is written by a person who has nothing to do with this tournament at all:D :smile54:

Summer 2013

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9/27/2014 1:06 PM UTC #73

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Does the tournament judge have no connection to the tournament? What nonsense is that?

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Весна 2012.

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9/27/2014 1:07 PM UTC #74

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zloy_romantik

I still don't understand your opinion – are you for a chess timer and canceling Ranked Play (RR) starting from the 2nd round, or are you against it?
I'll add the point about sharing places in the regulations a little later.

RR – cancellation. Timer – against.

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9/27/2014 1:15 PM UTC #75

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zloy_romantik

Does the tournament judge have nothing to do with the tournament? What nonsense!

He is not a player, but an invited judge. And he monitors compliance with the rules. The rules cannot be changed in a tournament that has already begun (as this could affect the results of games that have already taken place).

Summer 2013

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Registered: 4/29/2007 10:30 AM UTC

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9/27/2014 2:08 PM UTC #76

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rebellious

He is not a player; he is an invited judge. And he monitors compliance with the rules. The rules in the ongoing tournament cannot be changed now (as they could have affected the outcome of games that have already taken place).

It's not up to you to decide what can and cannot happen. If the tournament is played according to certain "old" rules, then these "old" rules must be written down somewhere. In this case, it says:

1. By default, games are played according to /topic/10593/

The tournament regulations state a link to the rules, and therefore if the content of the link changes, the tournament rules also change.
Regarding red rush for Heroes of Might and Magic, it says:
Clarification:

Red rush is allowed.

What should I refer to if such a situation arises in the game? To the link to the rules or to what was said before? Let's assume everyone understands and agrees about RR.

Regarding the timer rules, it says:

the time limit per turn is 8 minutes, with a chess clock - (21:00+08:00+01:15).

Based on the rules, it is not clear which timer takes precedence. The organizer must specify the timer in the tournament topic. Therefore, how to interpret the rules if both players stick to their principles is unclear.

I think that the organizer should format the regulation post more carefully so that there are no such precedents.

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9/27/2014 5:05 PM UTC #77

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Dirty_Player

It's not up to you to decide what can and cannot be done.

Did you have a father and a mother? ©

Summer 2013

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Registered: 12/5/2009 9:15 AM UTC

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9/27/2014 5:17 PM UTC #78

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Dirty_Player

The tournament regulations state that there is a link to the rules, and therefore, if the content of the link changes, the tournament rules also change.

This once again indicates that we have complete chaos in the rules. If we have specific rules from a particular date, then the modified rules should already be from a different date.

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Registered: 6/9/2014 12:12 PM UTC

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9/27/2014 6:19 PM UTC #79

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The most logical option is to play by the previous rules in games started before the rule changes, and to play by the new version of the rules in games that will begin. Disputes about the chess timer are not appropriate, since the chess timer was officially added to the ХВ rules.

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Registered: 9/30/2011 7:06 PM UTC

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9/27/2014 7:08 PM UTC #80

Health combo, red orb, AOTD, golden bow, tp, DD, strong army. Hack rules. Thanks for playing.

Maretti

Faction Башня / Tower

Start Hero Аин / Aine

Main Hero Крег Хак / Crag Hack

Победа / Def

Heroin_HP

Faction Крепость / Fortress

Start Hero Тазар / Tazar

Main Hero Моандор / Moandor

Map Template: 8mm6a
Game Length: 212 days
Game Date: 9/27/2014
Reported: 9/27/2014 7:08 PM

Maretti 2070 → 2075 +5 ↑

Heroin_HP 1817 → 1812 -5 ↓

Rated Sep 28, 2022

Accepted by opponent on 10/26/2014 1:27 PM

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9/29/2014 9:20 AM UTC #81

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So, the first round was completed even faster than planned, well done! :) Therefore, to avoid delaying things, the draw for the 2nd round will be on the 1st page. The deadline for the game is 2 weeks. Remember the changed rules regarding Player Rating (takes effect from this round) and the chess timer. I thought for a long time about which timer to use as the main one, and decided not to change the regulations during the tournament, but since all participants are in favor of the chess timer, and only 1 is against it, everyone will play with the chess timer. As for the game against Rebellion, you will use the Sod timer (I think you can endure 1 game), and the following OFB and FB games will be strictly on the chess timer. Also, the regulations have been supplemented with a section on the distribution of places in case of a tie in points.

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10/2/2014 10:19 PM UTC #82

Hard start. Just managed to to build cavs by finding the last stack of wood with the last hero at 117. 2nd area was good though with 3 cons for 5 angels and gundu got good skills. Made some skells with isra and after finding another con I could take a tope that gave boots and 30 k gold. Bought gloves and a couple of other arts and ran to an area where opponent was. He ran into a t-area but after 2 turns I could catch him and surprise him with exp blind on his 7 angels at the end of round one so that he didnt get to cast magic. Thanks for playing.