Posts from Mafia 87. At the Dawn of War Auto-translated

Ment, and what’s wrong with mana? It seems to me that the second faction is more dangerous because there are two of them, and they will have an advantage in the vote.

Cop, but what's wrong with the Mafia? I think the second Mafia are more dangerous because there are two of them, and they will have an advantage in the vote.

I'm afraid that everything will go wrong in the town. Two shots should, in any case, be absorbed by defense and healing, and there aren't that many of us yet. And three shots are already on the verge. Another option is that the Mafia can somehow balance their karma and nothing will happen to them for one turn (at least). And this plus one Mafia vote... Well, so what? It doesn't matter yet.

I think Ursula is definitely a Warlock. By the way, what's the status of Hainess? Am I right in assuming she's "evil"? For now, execute Hainess. Although, if Nefela is a man, we can execute her. By the way, Morny, are you a man?

Another option is that the Mafia member can balance their karma and basically get away with it for one turn (at least). And this plus one vote for the Mafia... So what? It doesn't matter yet.

I didn't understand what you said.
And by the way, the Mafia member currently has exactly zero karma.

It was perfect, right?

Ah... you're writing in some other threads too. When I last checked, it was 10100.

With the mana ability, nothing can be done in one turn; he currently has protection from execution and two protections from murder. Therefore, executing the mana and reducing the number of murders at night will not work. Assuming that Nefela is the mana and Hainess is the redhead, I suggest the following: Malcolm Eisen redirects Hainess to Nefela. If Hainess goes to kill, the mana loses one protection, and there is one less corpse in the town. If, after reading this and thinking about it, Hainess does not go to kill, then a novice takes her place. This behavior will confirm Hainess's mafia affiliation and also provide evidence against the novice, but it will not save the town from murder. Based on the behavior, I suspect Ment. I have a feeling that he is defending the second mafia with various false arguments. I suggest Bobby check this by swapping the night actions of Ment and someone else (other than Hainess and Nefela).

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Considering this option, I will revote: do not execute Hainess, execute Nefela.

Laris, your plan doesn't seem very ideal to me...

I suggest Bobby test this by swapping the AI for Mental and someone else (besides Heinness and Nephela).

This could lead to him ending up facing the General, and the General will redirect the wrong unit. Why not Nephela?
If Heinness is redirected to Nephela, then swapping Mental and Nephela won't compromise the purity of the first experiment. Or will it?

Sesame, yes, you are right about the general... And besides Nefela, because the mana isn't being redirected, meaning that in this case, ND Bobby won't work. But in general, the benefit of this ND swap is questionable, if you think about it; it just creates confusion. So, perhaps it shouldn't be done at all. Let Bobby steal a vote from someone else who is suspected of being Mafia.

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Nefela, what do you think, how should the town act?

Well, I'm a maniac! How can I decide for the whole town? :) I'm a bit out there, so don't pay attention.

Assuming Nefela is a maniac and Haynes is ginger, I suggest the following: Malcolm Eisen redirects Haynes to Nefela. If Haynes goes to kill, the maniac loses one protection, and the town loses one corpse. If, after reading this and thinking, Haynes doesn't go to kill, then a novice goes instead.

Simple arithmetic. According to my table, the maniac is currently at 0. To stay at 0 and not lose protection from 1 attack and from execution, he needs to either not kill and do something from his pile of neutral roles in the range of +/- 1-2, or kill and raise someone. In the middle of the game, a non-killing maniac is a faux pas. That is, the maniac will kill. He can only compensate for the killing by raising someone. If the maniac raises Haynes, she will kill someone, and there is no way to block or redirect her. The same goes for the maniac. I assume that the Guardian will also kill. The maniac currently has 2 full protections, and the Ginger and the Guardian have 50% each. Considering the peculiarity of the Novice, I don't see much point in shooting Rienne. If the AFK/cowardly Jacob is still alive, he has protection, but then the town can only defend itself. The maniac has a very interesting random outcome - 2 shots, and both at the mafia. But there is also little point in relying on him, because it is better for him to continue hitting the town, since we currently have a situation of 5/1/2/1. A good option would be to eliminate either the mafia from the first team or the maniac now. But we won't hang the maniac on the first try. And considering the experience of previous days, we won't hang anyone at all. If we take into account that we have no protection, except for traps, and there is 1 healing, I suggest Malcolm figure out who might be Rienne or Ellen and buff them. Although, no, if Rienne is alive, she has only 2 mana points left, and today she will either restore them or check, and the latter is also pointless. That is, Malcolm should still look for Ellen. Ellen needs to think about who to save tonight. I assume we still don't have a block. I want to draw attention to the Novice's neutral role.

Killing does not save the victim from healing.

Taking this into account, it seems to me that she will still kill, although I don't know... Well, honestly, I don't know what we should do tonight.

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Ugh... verbosity....

If Haines is redirected to Nephela, then swapping Ment and Nephela won't compromise the purity of the first experiment. Right?

Don't swap me with Nephela. If she's a man, it will be a complete mess, and I won't be able to predict or adapt to anything.
Since the mana has zero karma, we should execute Haines. Guys, let's act faster, cast your votes, or we won't execute anyone at all.
P.S. Larisa's plan seems too complicated to me, with too many caveats.

okay, I'll support executing His Majesty, otherwise I don't know if I'll be able to show up before the end of the day.

P.S. Larisa's plan seems complicated to me, too many caveats.

What's so complicated? Ask the General to redirect His Majesty to Nefelu, and if suddenly His Majesty gets killed, you can redirect yourself instead. There's no point in Bobby interfering in this scheme and using the exchange today. So, in my opinion, it's quite simple and obvious.

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of course, there's a chance that Man will interfere and "revive" His Majesty, but I doubt he'll be shooting today.

Okay, fine, let's say spare Nefela, execute Haine.

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And let Malcolm Eiden redirect Ment towards Nefela. That would also work well.

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Assuming Ment is a submissive, which is still questionable.

Казнить MyHighness.

Execute Hainess

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Another question. Where do the Tengu and Gur go?
And, if I remember correctly, Tox mentioned something about traps, specifically how much they cost. Or am I imagining things?

The traps from the Mafia cost 2 nights, I think, while the ones from Rienna last until they trigger.

Gur is Gur. And I don't know who Tenshi is, except that Tox can accept NDs from her without internet.
But I really hope the game doesn't require modding. I don't like it when mods ruin the game.