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I prefer the starting time (the following are set: templates, turn time + battle time):
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Multiple choice Public votes Closed 2014-09-22
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8 + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on XL+U templates (8mm6a, 8xm12a, 6lm10a, Spider, Nostalgia)
10.8% 7 votes
14 + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on XL+U templates (8mm6a, 8xm12a, 6lm10a, Spider, Nostalgia)
12.3% 8 votes
20 + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on XL+U templates (8mm6a, 8xm12a, 6lm10a, Spider, Nostalgia)
27.7% 18 votes
26 seconds + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on XL+U templates (8mm6a, 8xm12a, 6lm10a, Spider, Nostalgia)
24.6% 16 votes
32 + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on XL+U templates (8mm6a, 8xm12a, 6lm10a, Spider, Nostalgia)
12.3% 8 votes
10 + 8 minutes 30 seconds + 1 minute 30 seconds on the Jebus Cross XL-U template
7.7% 5 votes
16 + 8 minutes 30 seconds + 1 minute 30 seconds on the Jebus Cross XL-U template
18.5% 12 votes
22 minutes + 8 minutes and 30 seconds + 1 minute and 30 seconds on the Jebus Cross XL-U template
23.1% 15 votes
28 seconds + 8 minutes 30 seconds + 1 minute 30 seconds on the Jebus Cross XL-U template
23.1% 15 votes
34 + 8 minutes 30 seconds + 1 minute 30 seconds on the Jebus Cross XL-U template
18.5% 12 votes
8 + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on the Diamond, Mini-Nostalgia, and Anarchy templates
10.8% 7 votes
14 + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on the Diamond, Mini-Nostalgia, and Anarchy templates
26.2% 17 votes
20 + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on the Diamond, Mini-Nostalgia, and Anarchy templates
20% 13 votes
26 minutes + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on the Diamond, Mini-Nostalgia, and Anarchy maps
21.5% 14 votes
32 + 8 minutes + 1 minute 15 seconds on the Diamond, Mini-Nostalgia, and Anarchy templates
6.2% 4 votes
6 + 6 minutes 30 seconds + 1 minute on the 2SM4d(3) templates, balance, Panic
13.8% 9 votes
12 + 6 minutes 30 seconds + 1 minute on the 2SM4d(3) templates, balance, Panic
26.2% 17 votes
18 + 6 minutes 30 seconds + 1 minute on the 2SM4d(3) templates, balance, Panic
30.8% 20 votes
24 + 6 minutes 30 seconds + 1 minute on the 2SM4d(3) templates, balance, Panic
9.2% 6 votes
30 + 6m30s + 1m on the 2SM4d(3) templates, balance, Panic
7.7% 5 votes
and I also want face upgrades to be allowed
38.5% 25 votes
No, no, we need to keep the ban on upgrading Fey creatures
55.4% 36 votes
We need to remove the restriction on redrawing textures for XL+U templates
60% 39 votes
leave the redrash ban on XL+U templates
33.8% 22 votes
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level 2 is not uncommon, and now you can even display it, and the start can be quite good.
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Upgrading the fairies and placing birds in the fort will only be possible when air magic is researched, which of course doesn't always happen. And no one will micro-manage difficult battles using only fairies on a chess timer, so I don't see any imbalance in this. Conflux's early game will become stronger, and even then, only if you actually get that upgrade.
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Until a chess timer becomes mandatory for all tournaments, allowing grade-up of units is certainly not a good idea. It seems that in War of the Titans, it was possible to upgrade units after building the resource depot – that would be a good option.
Regarding the red rush – I voted against it because I believe that red rush should be allowed not based on templates (HL+U), but based on time limits. For example, allow it on all templates starting from day 141. And it would also be good to tie the permission to use the Grail to the same time limit. (currently, as I understand it, it can only be used after day 221).
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Sanin
Until a chess timer becomes mandatory for all Tournaments, allowing grade rushes is, of course, impossible. It seems that in VT, you could rush after building the resource depot – that would be a good option.
As for the red rush, I voted against it because I believe that the red rush should be allowed not depending on the map (HL+U), but depending on the time. For example, allow it on all maps from 141. And it would also be good to tie the permission to use the Grail to this same time. (currently, as I understand it, it can only be used after 221).

Well, you're just amazing... and why did you launch three polls in a row? Just for fun? :D Of course, as soon as PIT learns the third value for the timer, it will automatically be implemented in the season, and I'm sure that 99% of the judges will include it (the chess timer) in their future Tournaments. The fairies themselves will not appear separately, independent of the timer.
The red rush on HL rarely decides the game, and even then, you have to try very hard. Blue has its own advantages, and red should have its own.


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KobRa_RR
You guys are amazing... why did you launch three polls in a row? Just for fun? :D Of course, as soon as PIT learns the third value for the timer, it will automatically be included in the season, and I'm sure that 99% of the judges will include it (the chess timer) in their future tournaments. The fairies themselves won't appear separately, independent of the timer.
So far, nowhere has it been said that the chess timer will become mandatory and necessary. It was said about determining the recommended parameters for the chess timer.
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Sanin
in the early game, you could upgrade the Town Hall after building the resource depot – that was a good option.
I think it’s fair.
Although, I’m not sure how useful they are.
I need to play and try it out...
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Judging by the responses, I'll pass. I voted for the shortest time. But other responses aren't like that. There's already plenty of time for a turn. Soon there will be even more...
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We will review the standards again in a year. We will increase them.
SoD timer forever!!!
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Alessandro
Judging by the responses, I'm out. I voted for the minimum time. But other people's responses are different. There's already plenty of time per turn. Soon there will be even more...
In general, the trend is towards reducing the time. IMHO, of course. When I started in 2011, a turn in StarCraft II took about 12-15 minutes; with the chess clock, it was reduced to 8-10 minutes. I remember in the sc2tv chat, Mizrael (or maybe it was Amilu) managed to watch some kind of series during his opponent's turn, i.e., 40-45 minutes.
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Regarding the time, everything seems logical and clear, and RR should have been abolished on XL long ago. As for the survey about Faeries, it's not quite appropriate here, especially being placed at the very bottom (many people will simply skip/not see it).

With a chess timer, I'll be glad if my opponent upgrades Faeries, because it's simply not profitable. Considering that level 2 in Conflux is definitely not 50/50, but much lower, a choice between Faeries or Birds will arise very often. And this will only diversify tactics for Conflux and add extra interest to the game.
As for hero selection in Conflux, it can be handled like Necropolis. i.e., choose any hero except Luna (I hope everyone understands why), on all templates except Jebus Cross.
The fewer restrictions we impose on ourselves, the more interesting the game becomes.
That's my IMHO.
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I re-read the topic and discovered a flagrant violation of the HeroesWorld Constitution :eek:
Pit for LM
Blue Fairies and the repeal of the PP ban on XL+U will win if they receive more than 50% of the votes from participants in each poll.
Adopting rule changes requires a quorum of 75%, but here the passing threshold was artificially lowered to 50% :smile10:

And these people still criticize Putin ... :cool:
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Wicc
A 75% quorum is required to approve changes to the rules, but here the passing score was artificially lowered to 50%:smile10:

And these people are still criticizing Putin... :cool:
I actually suggested making changes regarding redraws without a vote. But we have democracy, and Putin for LM gave everyone the opportunity to vote. :smile01:
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...But a survey about fairies is not really appropriate here, especially at the very bottom (many people will simply miss it/not see it).
You should at least have looked at the survey results before writing that.
Out of 56 voters, only four did not vote on the fairy and RR issue – is that "many"?
Wicc
A 75% quorum is required to pass changes to the rules, but here the passing score was artificially lowered to 50% :smile10:
The situation is much worse.
I constantly make amendments and clarifications to the rules, without any voting or democratic discussions and arguments, like a tyrant and despot. I do this when controversial situations arise, or when there are opportunities for misunderstanding or different interpretations. Often, this happens after discussing the issue with other judges in the Arbitration Committee.
Putting every amendment up for a vote is unthinkable – neither the players want it, nor would our tournament threads be drowned in endless empty polls, and then I would simply die.

Regarding the percentages, I already wrote that that vote was incorrect, and I see no point in adhering to its results.
Regarding controversial points in the rules that imply an alternative, I believe it is fair if the new option passes by gaining more than 50%.
I put up for a vote those positions that, over a certain period of time (currently about a year), have caused the most doubts about the validity of the rule.

For those who do not understand why I do this, I clarify that these rules are primarily the rules of the seasonal tournament, which I organize. Therefore, I have every right not to consult with anyone and to write absolutely anything that comes to my mind. However, I do not do that.
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Pit for LM

For those who don't understand why I'm doing this, let me clarify that these rules are primarily for the seasonal tournament, which I organize. Therefore, I have every right not to consult with anyone and to write absolutely anything that comes to my mind. However, that's not what I'm doing.

That way, we can find a new organizer if you start acting crazy. This isn't a country with one obscure dictator.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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That way, we can find a new organizer if you start losing it. This isn't a country with just one obscure dictator.
Yes, I've been looking for one for several years now. I would gladly relinquish my powers as dictator to a more competent player who is willing to run the season and keep track of the ranking, as well as mediate disputes and constantly nag debtors.
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