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12 years ago
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Dima Surmay
Agreeing on a draw a week before the end of the tournament and claiming there isn't enough time to finish the game, I think it's clear what's going on here.

yeah, now you definitely won't catch up to us in points!:smile05:
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12 years ago
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Dima Surmay
Agreeing on a draw a week before the end of the tour and claiming there isn't enough time to finish the game, I think it's clear what's going on here.
Honestly, I can't understand. What's it to you how and when we played, and who gave you the right to judge whether we had time or not?
Maybe you have something to do with our game?
Or maybe, because of us, you're not making it to the main stage?
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12 years ago
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BISHOP
To be honest, I can't understand. What's it to you how and when we played, and who gave you the right to judge whether we had enough time or not?
Maybe you have something to do with our game?
Or maybe, because of us, you're not getting into the main stage?
I became interested in your game because initially, I thought you had arranged a deal, and as it turned out, that's exactly what happened. And I don't want dishonest people to get into the next stage, or even just get points.

P.S. If we are allowed to arrange draws or give away wins through deals, then I have no objections to you.
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12 years ago
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Dima Surmay
I became interested in your game because I initially thought that a deal had been made, and as it turned out, that was the case. And I don't want dishonest people to advance to the next stage, or even just get points.

P.S. If we are allowed to arrange draws or give away wins through agreements, then I have no objections to you.
There was already a topic about this, Dima! It's up to the organizers' conscience; basically, there's nothing to blame Stinger and Bishop for, as they only took advantage of a service that was allowed, and didn't allow it themselves:rolleyes:
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12 years ago
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Dima Surmay

P.S. If we are allowed to describe draws or agree on giving up a victory, I wouldn't mind at all.
When writing a report, there are 3 options: victory, defeat, and draw. If draws were prohibited, I don't think this option would exist.
P.S. You don't like me either, and I don't want you to get points in the tournament, so what should I do?
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12 years ago
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=Stinger=
yeah, now you definitely won't catch up to us in points!:smile05:
I don't understand where you got that from; count carefully. Right now, 6 people with 6 points will be coming, and 6 people with 6.5 to 7.5 points will be passing you. That makes 7 people, so think about it.
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12 years ago
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I'll add my two cents. In the latest rounds of tournaments that use the Swiss system, draws are common, and no sport has been able to eliminate them, no matter how hard they've tried. I predict there will be more draws; just look at the Redwhite-Kilgore pairing – in any case, the organizers have no complaints about this pair.
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12 years ago
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Gomunguls
Yes, yes, and if the saves aren't provided, then ban everyone...

According to the rules:
zloy_romantik

5. Saves from all games must be kept until the end of the tournament and presented upon first request from the tournament organizers or any member of the Arbitration Committee (AK).

It's true that it doesn't say what to do if there are no saves, but
zloy_romantik

If a situation is not regulated by the rules, the judges are guided by elementary logic and gaming ethics.

Elementary logic in the absence of game saves is to annul the result. But I understand that for the AK to consider this situation, someone needs to appeal to the AK. I personally am not interested, but after the ninth round, there may well be those who want to.
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12 years ago
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This situation has already been discussed in another tournament, and even at the level of the Tournament Committee members; the outcome remained the same.
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12 years ago
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evil_romantic
This situation has already been discussed in another tournament, even at the level of the Tournament Committee members, and the outcome remained the same.

Could you clarify the procedure? For example, a host or a Tournament Committee member addresses the players with a request to provide game saves. Players are obliged to provide the saves upon the first request. If there are no saves, and the players provide nothing, what happens then? Are they not held responsible for that?
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12 years ago
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Sanin
Could you clarify the procedure? For example, a moderator or a member of the Arbitration Committee addresses the players with a request to provide game saves. Players are obliged to provide saves upon first request. If there are no saves, and the players provide nothing, what happens then? Are they not held responsible for this?
The Arbitration Committee does not consider hypothetical situations.
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12 years ago
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Roger DAltavilla
The AC does not consider hypothetical situations.

So far, there isn't even a controversial situation, and there's nothing to consider. There's a point in the rules, and I just want to understand what will happen if it's violated.
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12 years ago
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Sanin
Since there isn't even a controversial situation yet, there's nothing to consider. There's a point in the rules, and I just want to understand what will happen if it's violated.
It will be bad...
Okay, enough off-topic chatter in this thread. If anyone wants to continue the discussion, they're welcome to do so in the "Tribune." Other off-topic posts will be deleted and may be penalized as spam. :smile08:
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12 years ago
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07/26/2014 BISHOP (Blue, Rampart, Kair, Kair) drew =Stinger= (Red, Fortress, Tazar, Tazar) Mini-Nostalgia 145

I confirm.
For the truth-seekers - there was a game, and there were even spectators at the M200 tournament in Moscow, where they played this game in parallel, but since a lot of time has passed and much has been forgotten, plus there is not much time for replaying, and it's a pity to waste the time spent on the game - they decided to commit a crime and arrange a fixed match.

Guys, you may not realize this, but you are role models for many, many players in the third Heroes game. And these players may decide that "if even the idols do it, then why can't I" and will be "right." For me personally, such maneuvers at this stage kill the sporting intrigue in the tournament. The same applies to Red and Kilgore. The first and second boards, by the way, were in the pre-final round. You can be offended by me, but if you do this, then at least attach the saves and passwords to such "reports"!
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12 years ago
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KobRa_RR
Guys, you might not realize it, but you are role models for many, many players in the third installment of the Heroes series. And these players might decide that "if even the idols do it, why can't I?" and will be "right." For me personally, such maneuvers at this stage ruin the competitive intrigue in the tournament. This applies to Red and Kilgore as well. The first and second players, by the way, in the round before the final. You can be offended by me, but if you do this, at least attach the save files and passwords to such "reports"!

What's the problem? In chess, draws after the first move sometimes happen in tournaments, and so what? If, after the previous game, both players find themselves in a situation where a draw is beneficial to them, on what basis can they be forced to play until one wins? This is a common tournament strategy... I don't understand why they should even have to explain the lack of time or anything else...
Either the tournament organizer should separately state in the description that a draw is only possible by the judge's decision, and if this is not the case, then it is absurd to demand any save files when both players agree.

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