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Roger DAltavilla
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In this scenario, a draw doesn't suit either player because out of 2 games, a win + a loss is better than a draw + a draw, and this will force the players (at least one of them) to play for a win.
I don't quite understand why some people want to ban draws altogether.
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You see, they will all have 4 points, but Darkello and LeBron will also have 0.1 points from the draw. Even though Toganash has an advantage in head-to-head matches with one and in kill/death ratio with the other, he doesn't advance directly because he has exactly 4.0 points, while the other guys have 4.1 points, and everyone doesn't care about Toganash's head-to-head matches and his kill/death ratio. So, no matter how many points you get, points in the group have a stronger influence than kill/death ratio and head-to-head matches, and they already have a significant weight.
Add. In this situation, any points force Toganash to have 1 more win to advance ahead of Darkello and LeBron. And that's a lot. The only way is to vote so that this situation doesn't arise in other tournaments.
And it's not nice to figure out who was right, who acted well, and who acted badly. Duty had a good idea: eliminate everyone, and let them assign draws to themselves; you don't care.
лето 2012.
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I agree with Yegor that we need to decide by voting whether player agreements are considered normal (and we write this point in a prominent place so that there are no further questions), or whether we consider it a slap in the face to the opponent for which we need to punish (and accordingly spend efforts to track such things).
I think so too!
Some people seem to have a completely different mindset and they write: If you don't want fair play, you get a third of a point. However, our rules state that fair play must be observed, and technical defeats are given for violating the rules, not points.
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I don't quite understand why some people want to ban draws altogether.
This is a precedent.
Because it created a very interesting situation. What could follow from it?
1. Dragging out matches to force a draw. And tournaments are already running perfectly on schedule, right? And then we wonder why they don't play for so long? And there are requests on the forum for people to play. Great.
2. It's unsportsmanlike. It's not beautiful. It's not spectacular.
(Excuses about time, and then playing in a season?). Toghanash came out looking defeated... "Play better and win," he said with an air of superiority as he sat down to lose. This is reminiscent of an imbalanced game. When you try your best, do everything well and correctly, but you end up in a situation that you have no control over.
3. 1/3 is also good. A good motivator for a draw. Probably the best solution.
I'm not saying that Gomunguls is afraid of Lebron or Darkello, but the situation created unequal opportunities for all participants. And that shouldn't be the case.
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Heroes and chess are only connected by the turn-based nature of the game. There's no need to connect the two, even though many people like to do so. I've never understood these people. Chess is a constant, Heroes is a variable. The amazing amount of randomness in the game, what chess are we talking about? Come on. Starting from map generation to skill distribution and damage spread, randomness and imbalance rule everything. This is not variability. [/OFFTOP]
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
BA/IEHOK
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"The_ CHALLENGE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE"
The real Champions League is here: with intrigues, scandals, refereeing controversies, and second-string teams. The main thing is that it doesn't end with UNICEF winning in the end!
By the way, guys, maybe we can agree on a draw? What's the going rate for the fans these days?
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There is a growing need for a referendum! Two questions: about the appropriateness of arranged matches and about the number of points awarded in the event of a draw.
IMHO. The questions are interconnected because, since the sum of points in a draw (0.5+0.5) is equal to the sum of points in the event of a victory (1+0), ideally it should be done as in football: 3 points for a win (total 3+0), 1 point for a draw (total 1+1), and leave the possibility of arranging matches (because this cannot be avoided anyway).
IMHO. The questions are interconnected because, since the sum of points in a draw (0.5+0.5) is equal to the sum of points in the event of a victory (1+0), ideally it should be done as in football: 3 points for a win (total 3+0), 1 point for a draw (total 1+1), and leave the possibility of arranging matches (because this cannot be avoided anyway).
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BA/IEHOK
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It's time for a referendum!
Dubrovina, you're not helping! A voting poll should have been up a long time ago.
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There is a need for a referendum! Two questions: about the appropriateness of fixed matches and about the number of points awarded in the event of a draw.
IMHO. The questions are interconnected, because since the sum of points in a draw (0.5+0.5) is equal to the sum of points in the event that someone wins (1+0). Ideally, it should be done like in football: 3 for a win (total 3+0), 1 for a draw (total 1+1) and leave the possibility of making fixed matches (because this cannot be avoided anyway).
When discussing how many points to award for a draw, it is necessary to take into account the fact that games in groups sometimes take place in 2 rounds, where not only draws are possible, but also fixed matches, where one wins in the first round, and the other in the second.
Also, if we allow fixed draws, then we also allow for the discussion of situations where one needs a win, and the other doesn't care... and they will negotiate so that it is beneficial for both... that is, "selling" games on mutually beneficial terms.
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I agree!
Some people seem to have a strange mindset and write: "If you don't want fair play, you get a third of a point." But our rules state that fair play must be observed, and technical defeats are given for violating the rules, not points.
Redwhait
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Necril Necril, 2k gr. skeletons - I attack with shackles - гг.
Since, after a load, I took auto due to a stupid lapse - we agreed to play for a draw.
Thanks for the game!
4 cons 1+2+2+1, 4 Dragon Utopia 2+2+2+1 (complete trash) 2 fast treasure zone sand and swamp. In the end, there is no control, not that much power, and no parameters either. Then I pushed into the center treasure zone, killed the archs and Wizard, and there was the opp with 900 skeletons :smile10:
No more serious stacks, I have 6 angels, 27 ducks, and horses with elixir.
I had to pay them off since a book of air and 50+ gr. ducks were found deep in the swamp.
True, they didn't bring me much happiness, just a few ducks.
Wings were found deep in the sands, now it's easier without passfight.
By then it was already 141 and Charna showed full control, taking the capital with growth that I simply didn't have time to buy out. There was a chance if she stayed there, an external tavern was nearby and I have a mage with fire armag and birds and would have finished her off later, but Charna left.
I decided to go through the center treasure zone to my upper one, saw a Dragon Utopia there, but the block is too serious for losers on birds to break through. While clearing the center, I decided to remove the elixir and put on gloves since it required 3k+ moves to reach them, but even here I didn't get lucky, Charna with log boots in the stable. Plus an expert scout was revealing everything possible.
In the finale, although I had a cloak on, because I found neither earth nor 4-5 lvl magic, even with it there was only 1 chance, in the form of quicksand, but I reached it too late.:(
Thanks for the game.
P.S. please explain why the hell blindness doesn't work on skeletons with a black ball, but berserk does...
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The problem lies with those who are looking for faults where there are none. As for the poll, it's complete nonsense. Are you the first ones to encounter such a system? A good host (similar to a tournament president) wouldn't allow such chaos and would make the right decision, possibly with the help of advisors (judges). Eliminating draws altogether in the group stage simply cancels the system, and it will then be just a group stage:smile35:
There's only one way to vote, so that this situation doesn't arise in other tournaments.
2. The people will vote, but the tournaments are run by judges and guys from the AC. And they will listen to the opinion of the majority and/or do everything properly.
3. This is a double-edged sword. First, if you allow draws and, as a result of messing around, motivation is lost, and a player may not finish the game. And as a result, half of the games in the group are not played. Of course, you can punish him and not let him into other tournaments, but if you punish for this (some just withdraw), then there will be no one left.
I personally don't see anything wrong with draws, as it hasn't affected me yet. Would I finish the game if I was treated like that? - I can't say.
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P.S. Please explain why Blindness doesn't work on skeletons with the black orb, but Berserk does...
Dirty_Player
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P.S. Please explain why Blind doesn't work on Skeletons with the Black Sphere, but Berserk does...
Redwhait
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Because immunities related to the "Immunity to Mind Magic" ability (which undead creatures have) are removed by the spell, but those related to the "Undead" ability itself are not (for example, immunity to curses is not removed). At the same time, immunity to blindness is granted by both abilities – and therefore, immunity to it is preserved when using the spell due to the second ability. Troglodytes also retain their immunity when using the spell, by the way. However, for titans and elementals, whose immunity to blindness is granted only by the "Immunity to Mind Magic" ability, the spell will remove the immunity to blindness.
Aiwe
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Thanks, I thought the orb removed all limitations, but it turns out it doesn't.
I also started testing why Blind and Berserk didn't work on anyone without the orb? Not even on ducks? Is it a bug? (With the orb, it worked on everything except skeletons.) I checked all the artifacts 10 times.
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