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Posts from CHALLENGE The_ CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, The_'s CHALLENGE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
A funny situation, I'll keep it in mind for the future.
There's nothing you can do against match-fixing. The players could have done it more elegantly, but the result would have been the same.
The moral of this story is:
In the group stage, you need to play against weaker opponents, waiting for the leader to gain a critical advantage over the other participants in the group.
After that, you can offer the leader a draw, which he will often agree to in order not to waste his time.
That's what fair play looks like.
I would like to hear an official response! If such disgrace is allowed, then expect an influx of similar behavior in this and other tournaments!
There is no official version because there is no such rule. Each organizer acts at their own discretion. For example, R55Max is categorically against any such actions, but I don't care, do whatever you want, but provide the result on time. KobRa_RR
Yes, Kostya, let it be... but if an opponent in the group wants to see these saves, and they are not available, then let them blame themselves.
And do you think it's a problem to fake saves? No, it's not a problem at all. People are not fools; if they want to fix a match, no rules can stop them. For me, lying is worse than fixing a match. Therefore, it's better to allow it. IMHO. KobRa_RR
Denmark and Sweden did everything nicely so that no one could complain; they specifically didn't concede any goals. But here, there is a clear cynical disrespect for all other participants and the organizers of the tournament. I understand that Gomunguls doesn't realize this, but I didn't expect it from the others...
After a long dialogue with r55Max on this topic, I realized that everyone simply has a different view on this, and it cannot be that everyone decides for themselves what is good and what is bad.
I will express my opinion.
Specifically, I have no objections to draws. If such a result is optional, no one can force players to play strictly for victory.
The other question is how it was done:
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In my personal opinion, this is the height of disrespect towards the organizer and a slap in the face to the 4th player.
Recently, Vitaly seems to have gotten carried away with his cynical and mocking comments; he used to be more modest. And Lebron and Darkello are also not adding points to their karma.
If there is such an urge to arrange a fake draw (and the tournament has just started, so there's plenty of time), then you could first ask the organizer, then calmly sort out the situation, and if the organizer doesn't mind such withdrawals, explain that due to certain reasons, it is impossible to play (for example, going on a long vacation), and since the opponents and the organizer agree, we post a draw without playing. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Something like that.
But here, neither the organizer nor Toganash was asked. And since the tournament itself is positioned as the Champions League (games of the strongest players), with regulations implying many beautiful and spectacular games, and the organizer put in a lot of effort, organized a prize fund from his own funds, at least the required matches must be played. At least as a sign of "thank you."
Well, and of course, the final decision rests with the organizer, not with AK.
And LeBron and Darkello – that’s not a plus for their karma either.
Well, since we’re on the subject, I’ll say my piece too. I was offered a draw, and LeBron had already agreed to it. In my case, refusing it would have been more detrimental to me, I’d say I didn’t have a choice.:cool:
I will express my opinion. Specifically, I have no objections to draws. If such a result is optional, no one can force players to play strictly for the win. Another question is how it was done: 10 characters 11 characters In my personal opinion, this is the height of disrespect towards the organizer and a slap in the face to the fourth player. Recently, Vitaly seems to have gotten carried away with his cynical and mocking comments; he used to be more modest. And Lebron and Darkello – they also don't add anything positive to their karma. If there is such an urge to arrange a fictitious draw (and the tournament has just started, and there is plenty of time), then you can first ask the organizer, then calmly sort out the situation, and if the organizer does not object to such withdrawals, explain that due to certain reasons, it is impossible to play (for example, going on a long vacation), and since the opponents and the organizer agree, we post a 0-0 draw without playing. Sorry for the inconvenience. Something like that. But here, neither the organizer nor Toganash were asked. And since the tournament itself is positioned as the Champions League (games of the strongest players), with regulations implying many beautiful and spectacular games, and the organizer put a lot of effort into organizing a prize fund from his own funds, at least the scheduled matches must be played. At least as a sign of "thank you".
Well, and of course, the final decision rests with the organizers, not with the AK.
Everything written is correct, but I would like to add something. The rules contain point 6 about saves. Since participants cannot provide saves and passwords (and currently they don't exist), the most logical thing in these pairs would be to assign mutual technical defeats for these games and set the score to 0-0, followed by a warning to everyone that they will be severely punished for this. And the decision may even be made not by the organizers, but collectively with the judges, although one has already expressed his opinion; I would like to hear Pete and The_
You wrote everything correctly, but I would like to add something. There is a point 6 in the rules about saves. Since the participants cannot provide saves and passwords (and there are none at the moment), the most logical thing would be to award both players a technical defeat for these games and set the score to 0-0, followed by a warning to everyone that they will be severely punished for this. And the decision may not be made by the organizers alone, but collectively with the judges, although one of them has already expressed his opinion; I would like to hear from Pete and The_.
There are no saves because the games ended after 1 turn, do you even understand that? - that's one thing! And most importantly, you should ask all your questions to the tournament organizer, who allowed this situation to happen... If he is okay with it, then you have nothing to complain about!!!
Once again: while there is still time (and there is plenty of it), cancel the draw as a match result in the regulations. Let them either lose or win.
This isn't soccer, where draws are a common occurrence.
Either they didn't have time, or they didn't want to, or it was more profitable not to take risks. Naturally, the organizer of the Tournaments, The_, was very upset. He puts a lot of effort into organizing, and this attitude didn't please him. Therefore, he decided to somehow punish Vitaly. They argued for a long time (judging by the time difference in the posts, about an hour and a half to two), and Timur decided that if a draw is counted in the rating, it will be some kind of punishment for Vitaly. Timur doesn't know that when a draw is counted in the seasonal rating at the beginning of the season, the "value" of a draw is at most 1-2 points. In the permanent rating, it's more - here, Gomunguls will lose about 15 points in the sum of two games (about -6 with LeBron and -9 with Darkello), which is equal to 1 win against an average opponent. So there's no punishment here. If you want to punish, you need to come up with something stronger. The result of their negotiations was "10 characters".
I will not count this in the rating. I am strongly against writing fake reports without games.
I also have a very negative attitude towards match-fixing. But I don't see a way to prevent such things. It's better for players to honestly say that they want a technical result than to write fantastic reports and fake saves. We always assign technical results at the very end. I don't understand why there was such a rush if there are still 2 months left before the end of the groups.
I will express my opinion. Specifically, I have no objections to draws. If such a result is optional, no one can force players to play strictly for the win. The question is how it was done: 10 characters 11 characters In my personal opinion, this is the height of disrespect towards the organizer and a slap in the face to the fourth player. Lately, Vitaly seems to be feeling confident, with his cynical mocking comments; he used to be more modest. And Lebron and Darkello – that's not good karma either. If you are so eager to arrange a fictitious draw (and the tournament has just started, and there is plenty of time), then you can first ask the organizer, then calmly sort out the situation, and if the organizer does not object to such withdrawals, explain that due to certain reasons (for example, going on vacation for a long time), it is impossible to play, and since the opponents and the organizer agree, we post a draw without playing. Sorry for the inconvenience. Something like that. But here neither the organizer nor Toganash were asked. And since the tournament itself is positioned as the Champions League (games of the strongest), with regulations implying many beautiful and spectacular games, and the organizer put a lot of effort into organizing a prize fund from his own funds, at least playing the required matches is necessary. At least as a sign of "thank you".
Well, and of course, the final decision rests with the organizer, not with AK.
I didn’t expect this from you, Andrey... I think before writing something like that, you need to be absolutely sure what is happening or have some evidence, for example, regarding what I highlighted in black... maybe you can give me a couple of links where I mockingly spoke about someone (without reason, Alex doesn't count, there are very good reasons for that!!!)?? then we will close this issue, because it doesn't look very good... I remind you that my attitude towards anyone is a mirror reaction to how they treat me...
What was written here about disrespect... We played and communicated normally with Toganash; I don't see any intention to offend him, and we are not children to get offended... For myself, I see this stage very simply - I need to advance from the group, and how it happens is no longer important, the main thing is that it is within the rules and fairness. In 4 games, I won... There are 2 left, I talked with Lebron, he said that he has little time for games, suggested a draw, and we agreed on it as friends. I also offered Darku, and he agreed, and I didn't really want to play against him due to several reasons not related to its result. Everyone is happy and agrees, I write to Timur – I say that we agreed on a draw... I asked not to report it, so as not to cause a squabble and did not want to spoil the rating (because this result suited everyone, why should I lose points, even if it’s not that important) but he persistently asked to write... well, since he asked, I did it with humor))... and 10 characters because there is nothing more to say... Timur and I communicate well, and what was written here about disrespect is just your sick fantasy, nothing more...
Added after 3 minutes KobRa_RR
Yes, Kostya, let it be... but if an opponent in the group wants to see these saves, and they are not available, then let them blame themselves.
For your narrow-mindedness, I will explain - I can provide saves only to the organizer, judges, opponent, and AK. I have every right to refuse to provide such information to others.
On the 1st turn, I took three bear external dwellings and the air book; on the second, I took three native Dragon Utopias and cleared almost the entire center. After that, I spent a very long time chasing the opponent; boots, gloves, expert logistics, and pathfinding helped. Thanks for the game!
On the 1st, there were three bear external dwellings and a book of air; on the second, I cleared three native Dragon Utopias and almost the entire center. After that, I chased the opponent for a very long time; boots, gloves, expert logistics, and pathfinding helped. Thanks for the game!
Thanks for the game! I thought I had good luck with artifacts — +5 all, +6 all on respawn, but the basin let me down — I was grinding like a complete scumbag. I could have won at 127, but the chain didn't manage to take the bracers in time, and the opponent managed to buy their way out. 3rd loss in a row, time to refresh
We each picked 2 restarts, every time the game gave us Underground, and the last time was also Underground, but there was an external dwelling of Vampires, Liches, and 3 roads, so I decided to play. The passage to the secondary zone was in the Underground past 20+ Gargoyles and an elevator past Arch Devils. A bit later I got close to the Gargoyles and saw that behind them there were 20+ Trolls right away for a box... I got upset. And there was no Sulfur anywhere at all. I gathered everything available on respawn, hired the Vampires, didn't buy out completely, and attacked the Arch Devils, praying that the guard above would be breakable. There were Arch Demons - I got lucky. I painted the Swamp, ran around there a bit, found Sulfur, and managed to place Cavalry in the citadel. On the second day, I captured the external dwelling of Liches using Efreetis, and there was also a box with 5k exp there. I clear the dungeon, captured the Sword 2/2. Upgrade for Cavalry and Liches, the box gave 20 Harpies. I go to the elevator to find the opponent. There Ivor was with 2 Angels, I killed one, he removed some of my troops and surrendered. With a Lich I took the Pendant of +1 Speed and a Naga Bank (3), then pulled back. Ivor chased me with 60+ Grand Elves and other meat. I sat down in the dungeon and accepted the battle: the Grand Elves didn't hit very hard, even with Ivor, and I managed to win.
There was 1 rest left, conceded the Griffin Conservatory and nicked horses behind the nagas, got a medium amount of gold, decide to play. Although GO from the Horde blocked the scorpicore, my comp weakness. On week 1 killed two comps: Dungeon and Barbarian. Plugged birds into the Stronghold. Built horses in my citadel. Scouted the Griffin Conservatory on the Barb. Decided to assign Monere to the folders, although there were promising Necro and Valka. On 121 took the minimal Griffin Conservatory on respawn, nicked horses, also picked up +1 to HP there, found another ring in a cart. Transferred everything to Monere and decided to train him a bit on the Horde of Ogres, which could have been bypassed. Resulted in losses. Ciele hits 27 demons, they stack into 1 stack and immediately get morale - 5 swords. On 122 took the Griffin Conservatory two with a horse, giving away the remains of swords and spears. Monere quickly masters Wisdom. Since from the barbarian view you can see 7 boxes. As a result, Monere will master all slots, but the box won't give magic until the end of the game. It was a shame that during the transmute on the micro, the spectator clicked on someone, it distracted me and I attacked like a noob with all the meat + 45 orcs from the box and lost it all, instead of calmly breaking through with the monk. :smile35: It was terribly upsetting, even decided to ask for an auto, but I was refused. This inspired me and allowed me to pull myself together. Completely cleared all the treasure zone thoroughly and Monere became 12-7-7-9, there were no artifacts at all. Just boxes and the Hive, became 25 Vivi 3 Angels and 8 horses. On 131 broke Monere and ran to hit the Manticores, many of them, paralysis happened about 4 times, but I broke through, but there was no tactics and from that side I didn't know how to hit the Wizards. As a result, quickly cleared the treasure zone from the Conflux, and built birds there and Valka broke through GO with the advanced tactics and 2 Angels, 2 Phoenixes and meat. I grab the red orb like a noob, check the Dragon Utopia. Maxi go to the other one. I take a slag two-piece, but got a Gnoll shield, it helped a lot during maxi, there were wings and slag. Noticed movement of reds near my village from the treasure zone in Flax, besides from Flax I lit up the scout view. And saw a Dragon Utopia on the opponent's territories. Decided to open the scout view on the opponent's respawn for luck and found Taz there, sent him to the tavern for 2 out of 5 Angels, and went back to my side behind the rocks. On 141 Taz is bought out and goes to that Dragon Utopia. And I get ahead of him and get a Gladius, a Teapot and a Flask +2 HP. 20 Champions 31 Vivi 3 Phoenixes and 39+ single GR Griffins with Orb and Elixir are beyond Tazar's strength. Victory without a fight. Thank you for the game.
There was 1 rest left, gave away the Griffin Conservatory and a stack of horses for the nagas, got a moderate amount of gold, decided to play. Although Go from the Horde blocks the Scorpicore, my Conflux was weak. On week 1 I killed two computers: Dungeon and Barbarian. Plugged birds into the Citadel. Built horses in my Citadel. Scouted the Griffin Conservatory on the Barb. Decided to assign Moner to the folder, although there were promising Necro and Val'ka. On 121 I took the minimum Griffin Conservatory on the respawn, a stack of horses, picked up +1 to HP there, found another ring in a cart. Transferred everything to Moner and decided to level him up a bit on the Ogre Horde, which could have been bypassed. Resulted in losses. Ciele hits 27 demons, they stack into one and immediately get morale - 5 swords. On 122 I took the second Griffin Conservatory with a scout hero, giving away the remains of swords and spears. Moner quickly masters Wisdom. Because from the Barbarian's point of view 7 boxes are visible. As a result, Moner mastered all slots, but magic was never given in the boxes until the end of the game. It was frustrating that during the transmute, because of Mikogo, a spectator clicked on someone, which distracted me, and I attacked with a scout hero with all the meat + 45 orcs from the box and lost it all, instead of calmly breaking through with Moner. :smile35: It was terribly frustrating, I even decided to ask for an auto and was refused. This inspired me and allowed me to pull myself together. Cleared out the entire treasure zone completely and Moner became 12-7-7-9, there were no artifacts there at all. Only boxes and the Hive, became 25 Wyverns, 3 Angels and 8 horses. On 131 I broke Moner and ran to hit the Manticores, there were many of them, paralyzed about 4 times, but I broke through, but there was no tactic and I didn't know how to hit the Wizards from that side. As a result, I quickly cleared the treasure zone with Conflux, built birds there, and Valerik broke through Go with advanced tactics and 2 angels, 2 pheonixes and meat. I grab the red ball with a scout hero, check the Dragon Utopia. Maxi go to another one. I take a second slaking one, but was given a Gnoll shield which helped a lot with maxi, there were wings and slaking there. Noticed movement of reds near my village from the treasure zone in Conflux, besides from Conflux I revealed the view. And saw a Dragon Utopia in the opponent's territories. Decided to open the view on the opponent's respawn for luck and found Tazar there, sent him to the tavern on 2 out of 5 angels, and myself back behind the rocks. On 141 Tazar buys out and goes to that Dragon Utopia. And I beat him to it and receive Gladius, a teapot and a flask +2 HP. 20 champions, 31 Wyverns, 3 pheonixes and 39+ singles of Griffin Guards with a sphere and elixir are too much for Tazar. Victory without a fight. Thanks for the game.
I confirm, I crashed 3 times during the game, no comments :smile27: ) thanks for the game.
