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12 years ago
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12 years ago
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I also think this is a deliberate slight towards Toganash and a display of disrespect. Gomungul's behavior is amusing.
And yet, they could have put in minimal effort, and no one would have noticed.
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12 years ago
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guys, they left the bearded man with no choice:smile32:
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12 years ago
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I heard that when players say they agreed to a draw, it's not a lie. They really did agree to a draw.

You asked this question:
Player_
They could have said they played to a draw even though there was no game. What then?

I think I already gave you a clear answer, if you don't understand... sorry, then I wasted my time trying.
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12 years ago
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JustObserver
Exactly, this has been discussed many times, but we haven't come to the conclusion that we need to play our games as late as possible, because otherwise we might end up in a silly situation where the opponents realize that it's in their best interest to cooperate, as has happened many times before (which, obviously, is very sporting, glory to Denmark and Sweden at Euro 2004).


Are you kidding me????? Maybe it was the perfect result for both teams, but if you look at the game, they both tried to win it for most of the game.
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12 years ago
Maretti
Are you kidding me????? Maybe it was the perfect result for both teams, but if you look at the game they both tried to win it for most of the game.
I saw the game and the result was obviously just like both team wanted it.
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Dima Surmay
I think I already gave you a clear answer, but if you don't understand... sorry, then I wasted my time.
It's a hint about my low intellectual development and leaving the discussion, implying that I'm too stupid for him. I know that cheating is bad; my mom told me. But where is the cheating in the agreement? Players might have a bad hand, and if they don't want to try and overcome it, they can agree to a draw. They might agree to a draw due to a lack of time. There are many reasons that can happen during a game, at the beginning or at the end. In this case, they decided not to waste time and agreed immediately. And I sincerely don't understand what's wrong with that. Of course, Toganaш suffered. But taking time away from players who don't want to play to make it better for him is also wrong.
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An interesting point. In my opinion, if it were any other tournament, it might not seem so important, but this is the Champions League, where, thanks to the great idea and efforts of The, everything is designed around football. And in the League, match-fixing results in direct disqualification and penalties. It turns out that only the tables and numbers have been taken from the most prestigious tournament, while everything else has been ignored.
You guys just don't like football...
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I skimmed through a bunch of flame wars.... You talk about unsportsmanlike behavior: So why the hell are you ganking my Kyrre on the speed boost? Why the hell do you attack when I'm out of mana? BE men, don't act so dirty and unsportsmanlike! :smile19:
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12 years ago
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KobRa_RR
Just to clarify for myself: is this your opinion, Kostya, or the official position of the Tournament Committee?
I wrote IMHO. But a similar situation occurred with the favorites a year ago (or two). There, for two players to leave the group, they needed a draw, and they achieved it. There were no objections from the judges at that time.

And what is better, to simply agree on a draw or write some kind of report like "we got tired of playing on map 225"? If two players want to achieve a certain result, nothing will prevent them from doing so. Denmark and Sweden send greetings to everyone. :D
Maretti
Are you kidding me????? Maybe it was the perfect result for both teams, but if you look at the game they both tried to win it for most of the game.
Players could not stand on the field for 90 minutes. They must play. Anyway, we never know all truth about this game.
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Dirty_Player

Which is better: simply agree on a draw, or write some kind of report like "we're tired of playing on 225"? If two players want to achieve a certain result, nothing will stop them from doing so. Denmark and Sweden send their greetings to everyone. :D

If match-fixing is allowed, then of course it's better for them to write it down, but if it's prohibited, then it's better for them to play and let the game decide. And if their deception, such as pretending they played, isn't exposed, then it will remain on their conscience. But I hope that most of our players play fairly and won't write reports about games they didn't play.

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And I sincerely don't understand what's wrong with that. Of course, Toganash suffered. But taking time away from players who don't want to play in order to make things better for him is also wrong.
The whole point of this discussion is that some people consider match-fixing to be a normal thing, while others consider it to be bad. That's why I asked here whether it's allowed for us to agree on a favorable result or not. And I think it's important to know for sure whether it's allowed or not, preferably even in the rules. In my opinion, it shouldn't be done, and that's why I think the rules already state that you need to play fairly, but it turns out that clarification is needed here.
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A hint at my low intellectual development and leaving the discussion, implying that I'm too stupid for you. I know that cheating is bad; my mother told me. But where is the cheating in the agreement? Players might, for example, get a bad hand, and if they don't want to overcome it, they can agree on a draw. They might agree on a draw due to a lack of time. There are many reasons that can happen in the middle of a game, at the beginning, or at the end. Here, they decided not to waste time and agreed immediately. And I sincerely don't understand what's wrong with that. Of course, Toganaš suffered. But taking time away from players who don't want to play to make it better for him is also wrong.

Just stop explaining it to them...)))...it looks something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fskE7n19xFY
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Remove the draw as a possible outcome of matches. Play until one side wins – there’s enough time. Problem solved. You’re welcome.
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Nitro
Eliminate draws as a possible outcome for matches. Play until a winner is determined – there is enough time. Problem solved. You're welcome.
Towards the end of the group stage, players often agree to a draw, as one point may not be significant for the leader.
However, avoid submitting reports without playing, and technical wins should not be counted towards the rating.
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Dirty_Player
I wrote IMHO.
I would like to hear an official response! If such behavior is allowed, expect a surge of similar incidents in this and other tournaments!
Dirty_Player

Are you tired of playing on map 225?
Yes, Kostya, let it be... but if an opponent in the group wants to see these saves, and they are not available, then they should blame themselves.
Dirty_Player

Denmark and Sweden send their greetings to everyone. :D

Denmark and Sweden did everything beautifully so that no one could complain; they specifically didn't concede any goals. But here, there is a clear cynical disrespect for all other participants and the organizers of the tournament. I understand that Gomunguls doesn't realize this, but I didn't expect it from the others...
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12 years ago
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Maretti
Bad start for me apart from clavius, but was enough for me to play. Seems opponent was struggling, so after getting angels grow +5 week 2 I got boots, some cons and hives and charged him. 12 angels, 46 wyvs, 500 plus skells and good skills apart from no log was plenty. Thanks for playing.

We started without rests. Right next to the capital - 2 cons and a vashek external dwelling. That's all that was positive. The first village is blocked by guards in a treasure zone; the computer town associated with it has griffins over an artifact, there are 20+ but gnolls would have picked them off, and there would be nothing left to take the same computer-castle, while there simply wasn't enough money for 2 wyv. The second village is blocked by guards in another treasure zone; the computer town associated with it is at the edge of the world.

On the second week I barely managed to buy anything; by the time I gathered clues across different ends of the respawn for 20+ wyv and 5 angels from 2 cons, the opponent was already making contact using air sight. I rushed into a treasure zone, and there at the very end in the Dragon Utopia they gave me КЗ and a breastplate with magic power +12. But on his turn Clavius caught up to Tazar, who no longer had either a capital or the single village he had previously taken.

Thanks for the game!

PS On the portal, monster of the week is banned — I always wondered why, since you'd never actually encounter it. But here — angels are like piglets, 7 per week)). However ...

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