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Okay, okay, I'm talking about funding for the Maidan. Are they collecting money for stones and tires?
So, what funds the Maidan? The amounts are significant, with various figures being cited, generally around $1 million per day. And that's just the visible spending – food, clothing, weapons and ammunition, supplies, transportation, communication, salaries, etc.

How much money was spent on preparing for this event before the Maidan began, and how much is still being spent on hidden expenses, is unknown.

Spontaneous protests by an outraged population don't last long – a day or two, until the body's reserves are exhausted.
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Yanukovych is no longer legitimate. Today, 17:25:00 World about us | comment The worst-case scenario is unfolding right before our eyes. Ukrainians are being attacked by police, the military, and their own president. The fact is that Ukrainian society has been peacefully protesting in the streets for three months, and these are not "rioters," "provocateurs," or "terrorists," as Ukrainian and Russian authorities claim. An outraged society is demanding a change of government and a revision of the constitution to limit the powers of the ruthless head of state, who refuses to discuss a compromise. Yanukovych is no longer legitimate. Since November of last year, hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians have taken to the streets in almost all of the country's major cities, and millions of activists are working online. To save his own skin and wallet, President Viktor Yanukovych ordered the crowd to be fired upon. On February 19, he announced the start of a large-scale anti-terrorist operation throughout the country, involving all armed forces and law enforcement agencies. He bears all responsibility for the bloodshed and the loss of human lives. He is playing a high-stakes game because he feels supported by the Kremlin. If it were not for the direct political, economic, and police intervention of the Russian authorities, the President of Ukraine would have resigned long ago or appointed an acting prime minister in agreement with the opposition. He has already led the country to a socio-economic catastrophe, and now he is dragging it towards a humanitarian crisis with the death of many people. All of society is calling for compromise. Viktor Yanukovych has lost the legitimacy that he gained from the 2010 elections. He lacks the courage to negotiate, to accept the limitations of a small dictatorship in a large country with a population of 46 million. The president first pretends to be open and invites opposition members to discussions, and then backtracks and issues ultimatums. He has buried any possibility of a measured solution based on mutual concessions from both sides of the barricades. However, all of Ukrainian society is calling for compromise. All the churches in the country condemned the use of force: such a statement was made not only by the Greek Catholic Church but also by Metropolitan Volodymyr, head of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. Many religious leaders have spoken out since the beginning of the anti-government protests in Maidan. They were certainly able to influence Prime Minister Azarov, who resigned in January of this year. In addition, after Azarov's departure, ministers should have focused on solving current problems. However, the Minister of Internal Affairs de facto introduced a state of emergency in the country. Political parties, with the support of the Maidan People's Committee, tried to continue the political dialogue even after the fierce clashes in January. People's committees were also formed in other Ukrainian cities. This is most active in the west of the country, but they can also be found in large cities in the east. Viktor Yanukovych has been playing a cunning game for more than a month. He makes promises, agrees to talk for hours with representatives of the opposition, the head of European diplomacy, Catherine Ashton, and other prominent figures. He even fooled the leaders of the European Union, promising back in 2012 to sign an association agreement with Brussels, which he then unilaterally refused to do without discussion with the Ukrainian parliament and businesses. The purpose of the agreement was to strengthen trade ties and exchange of goods; it was only one of the stages on the way to joining the European Union. That is, it was not a choice between Russia and Europe, but about increasing Ukraine's chances of getting out of the economic hole. Three reasons for the escalation of tensions. So, why did the clashes resume on February 18 and become much more violent than before? There were three reasons for this. The first is the hypocrisy of the compliant deputies, who live at the expense of the corrupt regime. The majority of deputies refused to fulfill their promise to discuss and adopt amendments to the constitution in order to return to the previous system with a limitation of the powers of the head of state. Secondly, on February 17, two main opposition leaders, Vitali Klitschko and Arseniy Yatsenyuk, met with Chancellor Merkel in Berlin. The governments of European states and the European Commission made new proposals for emergency financial assistance to Kyiv, which should prevent the collapse of the budget and the national currency. The third and main reason for the decision to drown the protesters in blood is Moscow's policy. At the opening of the Winter Olympic Games in Sochi, Viktor Yanukovych met with his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin. The Ukrainian leader returned home full of confidence. On February 17, Moscow issued an ultimatum to Kyiv: a new tranche of 2 billion dollars will be transferred immediately after the "cleansing" of Maidan. Viktor Yanukovych obeyed. All of Europe must speak and act. To create a basis for the operation on February 18, it was necessary to intensify propaganda against the protesters, to present them as an aggressive and disorganized group that is being manipulated from abroad. The words "criminals," "terrorists," and "fascists" began to appear on official Ukrainian and Russian channels. The plan was to convince European public opinion that the responsibility for the bloodshed lies with the outraged crowd, and not with Yanukovych and his people. This lie must be stopped, and the truth must be restored. Europe, all Europeans, must speak and act. The fact is that Ukraine is not on the edge of the world, but in Europe, as is Russia. Thus, it can potentially become part of the European space, which is being built around the concepts of law, peace, free trade, and the protection of freedoms. Why agree to the Russian dictate, which implies that any statements from Europe and the United States represent a "violence-inducing intervention"? The EU and our governments have always defended the sovereignty of Ukraine and its ability to exist as a full-fledged state in mutual understanding with its neighbors. Yanukovych is no longer a legitimate representative of Ukraine and its people. And Putin even more so. The European Parliament needs a permanent presence in Kyiv. Even a few deputies can stop the repressive machine. Mari Mandra
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Medvedev was right: Yanukovych is a weakling, a spineless jerk. It’s impossible to constantly try to please both “ours” and “theirs.” His hesitation has already led to casualties. If he doesn’t want to become the West’s second Gaddafi or Lukashenko, he should surrender to the revolutionaries. There is no other option; you can’t negotiate anything with Klitschko and the rest because they can’t control anything.
I agree 100%.
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Never mind, it will all be over soon:
The Viking version of the apocalypse is scheduled for February 22 (video)
We haven't even recovered from the end of the world according to the Mayan calendar, and now it's time for the Viking version of the apocalypse. It will all begin on Saturday – February 22. According to legend, on this day, the final battle between the forces of light and darkness will begin.
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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Sarcasm is a good thing, but the situation is more serious than you think.
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Medvedev was right: Yanukovych is a weakling, a spineless jerk.
"A fisherman sees another fisherman from afar." Although, he said it correctly.

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And in general, everything brilliant is simple. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GmipSGx5r8
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In general, it’s good that there are a limited number of “ballistics” these days. To reiterate, the situation for Russians is much more serious; people are dying for two days in a row, and there’s absolutely no way to stop “this” tomorrow.
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To the Russians, I'll say it again, things are much more serious now.
I personally assure you, on behalf of myself and my circle of friends, that what is happening is far from indifferent to us; Ukraine is not Zimbabwe.
As for the Sharikovs, there have always been more of them, and that's what democracy is based on.
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You romantic, at 31, you're stepping up to defend the constitution.

Or are you like Vis, a fervent admirer of bloody dictatorial regimes?
I'm for the idea that ordinary people should be able to sleep soundly. Just now, literally an hour ago, my colleague from work received a call from his brother in Kyiv, asking him to "if anything happens," take in his wife and children, as there are people with automatic weapons walking around under his balcony, and gunfire can be heard nearby. That's how it is... Who wanted war and American soldiers in Kyiv? A lawyer, right? Well, you'll get it... it's started...
Revolutions, coups, etc., in my opinion, only happen when either the majority of the population, including the military, supports them, and this is not visible in Ukraine – the western part is for it, the east is against it, but the main thing is that the military supports the president, or when, according to a well-known scenario, NATO troops are deployed in the conflict zone and "restore order" – this option is also very unlikely, as Ukraine is not Syria or Iraq.
There will be blood, but the most annoying thing is that those who are orchestrating the Maidan and Yanukovych with his ministers will survive and even get rich on this, while ordinary people, both those on the Maidan and those wearing uniforms, will be the ones shedding it, fighting for who knows what...
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I am for the idea that ordinary people should be able to sleep soundly. Just an hour ago, my colleague from work received a call from his brother in Kyiv, asking him to "just in case" take in his wife and children, as there are people with automatic weapons walking under his balcony and gunfire can be heard nearby. That's how it is... Who wanted war and American soldiers in Kyiv? A lawyer, I think? Well, here you go... it has begun...

Romantic, and you're not the only one who received such a call. Only reckless youth, who seemingly have nothing to lose but their youth, are happy about it.
http://vz.ru/economy/2014/2/20/673623.html - here's information about business losses.

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However, shops and offices are closed only in the center of Kyiv, where a civil war has practically begun. But supermarkets and banks in other parts of the city continue to operate, albeit in emergency mode due to the influx of a large number of visitors.

"People are panicking and buying up food and goods. Today is Thursday, and it's about 4 p.m. Kyiv time, but in the supermarket, besides me and my wife, there are two thousand other people. This is an unusual situation for a workday," says Oleg Ustenko.
"This situation is logical because there are talks about the possible introduction of a state of emergency and restrictions on the delivery of food and goods to the city, which encourages consumers to immediately go to the store and buy at least essential food products," notes a VZGLYAD newspaper source.

"I believe that the February statistics, at least for retail trade, will be many times better than the latest average monthly figures," says Ustenko.

He also predicts a widespread shift to cash, a shortage of essential goods, and gasoline. "There are already problems with paying by credit card and withdrawing cash from ATMs. In front of me in the supermarket, they couldn't pay for purchases with a card because the terminals stopped working. I see queues of 30-40 people at each ATM and queues of at least 150 cars at gas stations. Panic has gripped Kyiv residents," says Oleg Ustenko.


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I personally assure you, and on behalf of my circle of friends, that what is happening is far from indifferent to us; Ukraine is not Zimbabwe.
And as for the "Sharikovs," there have always been more of them, and that's what democracy is based on.
I didn't say that you are indifferent. I emphasized that the time for talks in Ukraine is over, and what has begun is what the "lawyer" was morally prepared for. It's very serious; may God grant that politicians calm people down, but I doubt it; the sides want very different things.
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I am, of course, brainwashed by my media and so on, but if the "West" succeeds, then counting on any kind of peace at all becomes pointless.
In my opinion: Ukraine is not the goal, but a means.
And there's no need to say that Russia, in the person of even me in this case, constantly sees enemies everywhere; I browse the same internet as all of you and I see that there are no virtues around, and there never were.
And when foreign politicians (and a woman, excuse me) teach how to live from a street podium – that's just...
listen to what they said and do the opposite!
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But where does the funding for the Maidan come from? The amounts are large, various figures are cited, and they range around 1 million dollars per day. And this is only the visible turnover – food, uniforms, weapons and ammunition, supplies, transportation, communications, salaries, etc.

How much money was spent on preparing for this event even before the Maidan began, and how much is still being spent on hidden expense items – is unknown.

Spontaneous protests by the outraged population do not last long – a day or two, until the body's reserves run out.

Well, I'm watching the broadcasts from there, and where is all this? The uniforms are at the level of "I found it at home, decided to bring it," "I stole/robbed something/someone," sometimes "I have a hunting rifle." You can replenish your body's reserves at home or somewhere else and eat there too; they are not cut off or surrounded. Where does the information about funding and organization from the West come from, or is this not humanitarian aid from them? Although they are indeed organized quite well.
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Revolutions, coups, etc., in my opinion, only happen when either the majority of the population, including the military, supports them, and this is not visible in Ukraine – the western part is for it, the east is against it...

Stop spreading nonsense. The east is not against it; the east simply abstained, a neutral position that has the right to exist.

Koberotroll, I'm telling you personally, I filled up at 7:00 PM, and there were two cars in front of me in the city center. Two hours before that, I shopped at the supermarket and was second in line. There may have been a wave of panic during the day, but by evening, all the panickers had bought and stocked up on salt, matches, gasoline, and crackers. ATMs were certainly overwhelmed, that's a fact. But stop exaggerating and spreading lies that you read somewhere.
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Everyone is talking nonsense, only you are right. Crimea, however, also doesn't seem eager to rush to the Maidan and is already thinking about secession, but who listens... And why aren't you at the Maidan, orator?
Meanwhile, the number of victims has reached 75...
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