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Javdet

2/20/2014 7:03 AM UTC

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Roger-ua

Bubush, all that Ukraine has achieved after the Orange Revolution is freedom of speech. Honestly, they show events from both sides on channels 5, 1+1, Channel 24, and TVi. Channel 5 was shut down throughout Ukraine yesterday. Here is a link via YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/5channel

:D :D :D
It's interesting to learn about the criteria for honesty. Providing only information that is beneficial, even if it is true, and ignoring inconvenient information – it seems honest, but not quite:rolleyes: And the channels mentioned are pro-opposition. Anyone who thinks even a little will listen to the other side in order to try to form their OWN OPINION.

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By the way, since we're talking about where to get information and analysis, the 1st national garbage channel pleasantly surprised me. Although pro-government sympathies are felt, they invite both independent political scientists and both sides of the conflict to the studio and give them a chance to speak.

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Here's another question. In the event of sanctions against officials by the EU and the United States, I assume their accounts in Western banks will be frozen. There is a lot of money there – roughly 9 or even 10 zeros in dead American presidents. The question is – where will these amounts go? Who knows?

Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.

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Wicc

2/20/2014 9:56 AM UTC

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Javdet

Here's another question that arose. If sanctions are imposed on officials by the EU and the US, their accounts in Western banks will be frozen, right? There's a lot of money there – roughly 9 or even 10 zeros in dead US presidents' currency. The question is, where will these funds end up? Who knows?

How, where? To finance the Maidan. The same thing happened in Libya – the war against it was paid for with confiscated funds from Gaddafi. War must pay for itself, otherwise what's the point of starting it?

Javdet

2/20/2014 10:13 AM UTC

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Cool scheme. Money stolen from the people is used to organize chaos for those same people. :smile20:

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That is, if I understand correctly, the money has already been taken, all that remains is to present it properly.

Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

Зима 2011-12.

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Rabe

2/20/2014 10:21 AM UTC

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Wicc

How and where? To finance the Maidan. The same scheme was used in Libya – the war against it was paid for with the confiscated money of Gaddafi. War must pay for itself, otherwise what is the point of starting it?

Come on, you! The people decided and are overthrowing the hated Yanukovych. :smile13:

"Одержать сто побед в ста битвах — это не вершина воинского искусства. Повергнуть врага без сражения — вот вершина.
"Сущность войны — обман. Искусный должен изображать неумелость. При готовности атаковать демонстрируй подчинение. Когда ты близок — кажись далёким, но когда ты очень далеко — притворись, будто ты рядом."

Lexmaster

2/20/2014 10:32 AM UTC

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I still prefer the approach where you think first and then act, rather than the other way around. In games like Heroes or chess, acting impulsively without thinking usually leads to defeat. It's strange that they tolerated a president they themselves elected for so long (why did they do that?), and now they suddenly decided to rebel, even though the elections are coming up soon. It's clear that someone benefits from this, and it's certainly not someone who believes in a miracle. I wouldn't want to be a sheep led by someone else. What bothers me most is the irresponsibility of everyone – the people, the authorities, those who were in Maidan Square in 2004, and those who are there now. Who was held accountable for the five years of Yushchenko's rule, which even the "orange" supporters recognized as the worst years in the country's history? The answer is: no one. No matter what happens or how it all ends, no one will be held accountable for anything. They'll say later that they wanted the best, but it turned out as always. This is what really bothers me, especially the activists who shout, "Come on, do something now, why are you just sitting there?" I'll share a few articles; those who aren't interested can just skip them without making stupid comments. http://sevastopol.su/news.php?id=57512 http://sevastopol.su/world.php?id=57397 http://sevastopol.su/world.php?id=57389

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Roger-ua

2/20/2014 12:02 PM UTC

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Snipers shooting everyone indiscriminately. http://frankensstein.livejournal.com/496074.html

Весна 2013.

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Roger DAltavilla

2/20/2014 12:12 PM UTC

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Javdet

By the way, since we're talking about where to get information and analysis, I was pleasantly surprised by the first national TV channel. Although their pro-government sympathies are noticeable, they invite both independent political scientists and representatives from both sides of the conflict to the studio and give them a platform to express their views.

As for me, I watch news about Ukraine on the channel http://tv.rbc.ru/. Of course, mass riots are not their specialty, but they professionally show the situation from different points of view.

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злой_романтик

2/20/2014 12:30 PM UTC

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I'm curious, those who support the Maidan, why aren't you there right now? Why are you only writing on forums, providing links to SOMEONE ELSE's sources, and posting photos taken by SOMEONE ELSE? Go there, spend a day or two, take your OWN photos, talk to the people who are there now, and then write something like "2 days at the Maidan," including stories and photos you took yourself. Then people will listen to you more attentively.

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Весна 2012.

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Roger DAltavilla

2/20/2014 12:41 PM UTC

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evil_romantic

I'm curious, those who support the Maidan, why aren't you there right now? Why are you only writing on the forum, providing SOMEONE's links and photos taken by SOMEONE? Go there, spend a day or two, take your OWN photos, TALK to those who are there now, and then write something like "2 days at the Maidan," include stories and photos taken by yourself, and then people will listen to you more attentively.

Well, this is a heroic forum, it's where strategists have gathered :D
No, seriously.

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злой_романтик

2/20/2014 12:43 PM UTC

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Roger DAltavilla

Well, this is a heroes forum, so it's where strategists gather :D
No, seriously, I'm not kidding.

Strategists? Hmm, I didn't think about that: rolleyes:

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Marmot

2/20/2014 12:46 PM UTC

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I occasionally read articles about the events in Ukraine. What is happening there worries me a lot, as my close relatives live there. I've wanted to express my opinion for a long time, but firstly, I don't have enough time to write lengthy posts in the Ariputra style, and secondly, I'm simply afraid because of the heated atmosphere. Of everything I've read here, I think Wicc's position is closest to my own: I agree with most of his arguments. I don't have the energy or time to argue, but it's so frustrating that events are developing in the worst direction! :( I'll just say one thing: it's clear to me that this is not a popular revolution – what is happening makes that obvious. Whose revolution it is will become clear when the new king ascends the throne. I won't even try to make predictions, but Ukraine will definitely face a choice between a simply bad and a very bad future. :(

Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)

Stomper

2/20/2014 12:52 PM UTC

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I find it amusing how some people see conspiracies by the US, NATO, Europe, Jews, gays, reptilians, etc., in everything and everywhere. Who are you even trying to appeal to? Are you still bitter about the Cold War that ended in a complete failure? Or maybe you just need to invent an external enemy because you're too weak to admit that you brought yourselves to this state? It's a brilliant idea, and we'll spread this message through most of the media, and any media outlets that, for some reason, don't broadcast our idea will be declared controlled by one of the many "external enemies."
I'm too lazy to elaborate further, but the point is clear, I hope. This is in response to the question of what happens when the media of one country claims one thing, and foreign media claims something completely different, and yet they agree on something. In that case, I trust the foreign media. This applies to the coverage of the Maidan events in Russia and not just the Maidan. (You can also add some "embellishments" to historical events here). I won't claim anything about Ukrainian channels, as I've only seen live broadcasts from the scene, with practically no commentary.

Marmot

2/20/2014 12:58 PM UTC

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Now, let's talk about minor things (compared to...)

The film "Son of God" cut out a Satan figure that resembled Barack Obama

The producers of the drama "Son of God" cut out the image of Satan from the film, which reminded many viewers of US President Barack Obama. The creators of the film told The Wrap about this...
"Son of God" is a full-length film, edited based on the TV series "The Bible," which aired on the History Channel last year. During the broadcast, blogs began to discuss the resemblance between Moroccan actor Mehdi Ouzaani, who played the devil, and the American president...
Later, Downey and her husband, a co-producer, emphasized that they did not intend to offend the president; the similarity was a coincidence, and actor Ouzaani had already played biblical roles before Obama took office and became widely known.

Eight "high-tech" fears debunked by science

We have collected their scientific refutations and found out what is worth being afraid of.
Fear one: radiation from mobile phones leads to irreversible changes in the brain, causes cancer, impotence, infertility, cell mutations, and developmental delays in children.
Fear two: "vacuum" headphones lead to deafness; the vacuum they create damages the eardrum.
Fear three: displays emit radiation that slowly kills the user.
Fear four: watching pornography on the Internet provokes sexual violence.
Fear five: Google Glass causes headaches.
Fear six: computer keyboard and mouse cause "carpal tunnel syndrome."
Fear seven: Wi-Fi is harmful to health, causes impotence.
Fear eight: using portable electronics can lead to an air crash.

P.S. Stay healthy and don't suffer from unfounded fears!

Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)

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Wicc

2/20/2014 12:58 PM UTC

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Stomper

I find it amusing how some people see a conspiracy by the USA, NATO, Europe, Jews, gays, reptilians, etc., in everything and everywhere.

Why a conspiracy? It's just ordinary foreign policy. It's not particularly hidden either. The USA, the EU, and Russia are all engaged in it. Even China has made its presence felt in Ukraine, although it would seem that it has no interest, but it also wants to promote its own interests.