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nokiabep, I'm afraid I have to disappoint you: no petition will help, because, according to the company - the owner of the trademark, they do not have the original texts of "Heroes 3". "No money, no chairs." That's the situation... :(
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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nokiabep, I'm afraid to disappoint you: no petition will help, because, according to the company - the owner of the trademark, they do not have the source code for "Heroes 3". "No money - no chairs." That's the situation... :(
It's hard to believe that such a popular and iconic game from its time has no source code. It's like a fairy tale, but it's a lie, and there's some truth in it.

nokiabep, I heard that in the vcmi project, they are trying to create a port for Android, but at the moment, the development process is underway.
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Lider1, to put it briefly: as far as I know, VCMI is based on the WoG engine. It already works on tablets (there are videos on YouTube demonstrating this: 1 2 3). But the creators of VCMI also don't have the original "Heroes" source code: they use reverse engineering.

The fact that some people offered to buy the "source code" from the rights holders, but received the answer: "there isn't any!", supports the idea that the "source code" for "Heroes" is hopelessly lost. And if they did exist, it's unlikely that anyone would miss the opportunity to make some money by selling something that's just lying around unused.
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
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You can also run the classic Heroes games: http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=483543
For example, they work on my device. However, it's impossible to play them due to lag, but devices are becoming more powerful over time, and emulators are becoming smarter, so eventually, this problem will disappear.
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As far as I know, VCMI is based on the WoG engine.

That's incorrect. VCMI supports WoG and other custom mods (forges and others), but their presence is not mandatory. The game runs on a clean SoD.
(Although WoG was required before)
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But the VCMI creators also do not have the original "Heroes" texts: they use reverse engineering.

Well, they naturally don't have the original source code; no one does.
But in VCMI, they are rewriting the code from scratch. It's open source, and here it is:

http://sourceforge.net/p/vcmi/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/

Of course, the project is not yet fully completed, and there are still many unfinished parts.
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The fact that some people offered to buy the "source code" of "Heroes" from the copyright holders, but received the answer: "there isn't any!" speaks in favor of the version that the "source code" of "Heroes" is hopelessly lost. And if they existed, it is unlikely that anyone would miss the opportunity to make some money by selling something that is lying around doing nothing anyway.

That's possible.

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It already works on tablets.
This was on outdated versions; it's better not to remember them, as there will be many problems, crashes, freezes, and so on. The current version is 0.94, and you should start from it. But it hasn't been implemented yet.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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The fundraising campaign for the iOS version of the game has begun – here is the link: planeta.ru

If you want to see your favorite game, you can help make it a reality.
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They promise to rewrite the code from scratch in 3 months??? It sounds a bit dubious, how is that even possible. To write and test it so quickly. Although, maybe there will be a large team. And "full-fledged multiplayer" is just funny to read)), I'm just curious how it will all look.
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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The core structure will be ready in 3 months, although it won't be tested yet, but it will be possible to attach graphics to it. The final version will be ready in 9 months. Please read the post carefully.
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The main framework will be ready in 3 months, of course, it won't be tested yet, but it will be possible to attach graphics to it. The final version will be ready in 9 months. Read the post carefully.

okay. let's see.
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They promise to rewrite the code from scratch in 3 months??? It sounds a bit dubious, how is that even possible? To write it so quickly and test it. Although, maybe there will be a large team. And "full-fledged multiplayer" is just funny to read)), I'm just curious how it will all look.
I think that making multiplayer, even in its simplest form, is more difficult than creating AI.
By the way, I don't like the fact that everything is being redrawn. Rewriting the code is understandable, but redrawing everything... It would be better to somehow indicate that the project is non-commercial, add links to Ubisoft so they don't get too upset, otherwise it will feel a bit off, in my humble opinion.
 

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I think that creating even a simple multiplayer mode is actually more difficult than creating AI.
By the way, I don't like the fact that everything has to be redrawn. Rewriting the code is understandable, but redrawing everything... It would be better to somehow indicate that the project is non-commercial, add links to Ubisoft so they don't get too upset, otherwise it won't be quite right, in my humble opinion.

It's impossible to redraw everything exactly the same because Ubisoft doesn't sell the rights to Heroes 3, so to avoid infringing on their rights, the graphics will have to be redrawn, as well as the code rewritten, while of course preserving the spirit of the original. The graphics will be adapted for Retina displays.
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There are many projects for the third installment of Heroes of Might and Magic that don't redraw the graphics. I haven't heard of Ubisoft taking any action against them. Maybe I'm just an amateur, but I've formed a strong opinion that, under certain conditions, it's possible to achieve the desired result (original graphics) without infringing on anyone's rights.
 

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because Ubisoft isn't selling the rights to Heroes 3,

They aren't selling the rights? Or is there nothing to sell?
I heard that there's simply no source code, that it was lost, that the source files are gone. When someone wanted to buy them.
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There are many projects for the third installment that don't redraw the graphics. I haven't heard of Ubisoft taking any action against them. Maybe I'm just an amateur, but I've come to believe that under certain conditions, it's possible to achieve the desired result (original graphics) without infringing on anyone's rights.


You are mistaken; it is impossible to create a complete clone with the original graphics without violating copyright; if it were possible, they would have done it.

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Are they not selling the rights? Or is there nothing to sell?
I heard that there are simply no source codes; they were supposedly lost when someone wanted to buy them.

In any case, the bottom line is that Ubisoft is not selling the rights. For example, I received a response stating that they are only developing the "Might and Magic" series themselves and are not involving third-party developers for this purpose. The third installment is not of great interest to them at the moment; they are more interested in developing online projects and older series.

There are two options: do nothing or do something, but in the current situation, the only way to do something is to change the graphics (of course, changing them just enough so as not to lose the original spirit and recognizability), as well as the game's title and the names within the game.
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