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We should start a proper hero-related argument; the topic has become boring. :D
"Это нам идеально подходит!" [Новосибирск, 2013] "Красавчик! Если только не читер.." [Киев, 2014] "Это Вам не шутки - нажрался Dust в маршрутке" [Новокузнецк, 2015] Сам ты фиш (с) :D
The relationship between the police and an aggressive crowd on Maidan.
You seem like an intelligent person, but you're writing nonsense. I'm very lazy, but I'll explain: 1. The nature of mass unrest is fundamentally different. 2. The protest scheme is fundamentally different (an anti-system rebellion in our case, and a hooligan response from the police, accompanied by riots and looting in England). 3. The "relationship between the police and an aggressive crowd on Maidan" – which is what you're writing about – is fundamentally different. In England, the police used force "WITHIN THE LAW." In Kyiv, law enforcement agencies do not follow the law. For example, in the video shown by the lawyer, these scumbags publicly mock human dignity, giggling and taking pictures on their mobile phones. They did not arrest and punish this person according to the law, but behaved like scumbags. In any European country, the participants in this video would be held accountable under the law.
P.S. You and most of the "commentators" from Russia, and from other cities in Ukraine, have no idea what is happening in Kyiv. But you still need to express your opinions. How else would it be – everyone is so smart and understands the reasons, essence, and consequences of what is happening.
Is there a difference between ordinary bandits and bandits with official authority? Sorry for answering a question with a question.
So, you're simply suggesting swapping their positions? Well, one group of bandits will lose power, and another will gain it. What will that change?
Have you been there yourself, have you seen it? How did you determine the intelligence level of those in charge?
Not this month, but almost every day at the end of December. And the level of intelligence is determined visually, with a 10-20% margin of error. And after 10 minutes of conversation, it can be determined almost exactly.
ps. You and most of the "commentators" from Russia, and from other cities in Ukraine, have no idea what is happening in Kyiv. But you still need to express your opinions. How else would it be - everyone is so smart and understands the reasons, essence, and consequences of what is happening.
Well, we are kind of worried about the events in Kyiv, after all, they are relatives.
P.S. You and most of the "commentators" from Russia, and from other cities in Ukraine, have no idea what is happening in Kyiv. But you still need to express your opinions. How else would it be? Everyone thinks they are smart and understand the reasons, the essence, and the consequences of what is happening.
Well, here we have Romario, you, and I, the Lawyer. And yet, we have different opinions. We are arguing about different things. You, the Lawyer, are for freedom of rights and expression of will, and I am against it; I prefer a totalitarian regime. And I base my choice not on various media outlets, but on my experience managing 20-30 people. Yes, it's not a country, but my experience in this regard has shown that totalitarian management is more effective, but, of course, there are more dissatisfied people under it.
And in such revolutions, I always hand over the reins to these revolutionaries. The results were always the same: some go to the forest, some go for firewood, complete lawlessness. And you, as an experienced organizer, should understand this perfectly. As soon as you start to bend, there will immediately be an attempt to push back. The problem is that, as practice has shown, Yanukovych is a really bad organizer; almost everyone agrees with this, but there is nothing better at the moment... And now the argument is not about the fact that Yanukovych is bad, but about a worthy replacement for him. And there isn't one...
Well, we're kind of worried about the events in Kyiv; after all, they're relatives.
+ It's also interesting to see how it will end. Few people want a repeat of the same Arab (that is, American) scenario in Russia, and consequently, the future disintegration of the country. Those who want it in Kyiv can want it. We don't have any decent leaders. Maybe you'll find some, and things will change. And also, why is all this being artificially organized and escalated? I've written about it before. I'm tired of repeating the same thing. It's simply foolish to hope that Ukraine will start living like Germany tomorrow. Maybe your children will get closer to that level in about 50 years.
+ It's interesting to see how this will end. Few people want a repeat of the same Arab (meaning American) scenario in Russia, and consequently, the future disintegration of the country. Those who want to be in Kyiv, let them want it. We don't have any decent leaders. Maybe you'll find some, and things will change. And also, why is all this being artificially organized and escalated? I've written about this before. I'm tired of repeating the same thing. It's simply foolish to hope that Ukraine will suddenly start living like Germany. Maybe your children will get closer to that level in about 50 years.
+1. And it's unclear what the Americans are trying to achieve. They probably just feel safe and think they're smarter than everyone else.
Well, here we have Romario, you, and Lawyer. And yet, we have different opinions. We argue about different things; you, Lawyer, are for freedom of rights and expression of will, and I am against it; I prefer a totalitarian regime. And I base my choice not on some media outlets, but on my experience managing 20-30 people. Yes, it's not a country, but my experience in this regard has shown that totalitarian management is more effective, but, of course, there are more dissatisfied people under it.
And in such revolutions, I always hand over the reins to these revolutionaries. The results were always the same: some go to the forest, some go for firewood, complete lawlessness. And you, as an experienced organizer, should understand this perfectly. As soon as you start bending over backward, there will immediately be an attempt to take advantage of you. The problem is that, as practice has shown, Yanukovych is a really bad organizer, almost everyone agrees with this, but there is nothing better at the moment... And now the argument is not about Yanukovych being bad, but about finding a worthy replacement for him. And there isn't one...
Go ahead. Having your own opinion is great. Just don't present it as the only correct one, and especially don't speak for all of Kyiv (Ukraine, Russia, America, the Death Star, or fascist Mars). Wicc
It's time to either state your point of view or stop interfering with the discussion.
Sorry for interrupting the respected gentlemen's discussion.
My position in short: 1. I am not participating in the events in the center of Kyiv. Not yet. I hope I won't have to. 2. I support an anti-system revolt. 3. I do not support "Euromaidan," "the opposition," or "peaceful protests."
ps. Yes, I am an evil and terrible Bandera supporter. boo :smile51: pps. Reading again and again about "European Unions," "do you really think you will live like in Germany?", "the USA," etc. - it's just :facepalm:
Relax, I'm not advocating for changing the forum rules or intending to maliciously violate them. We were talking about the role of profanity in the Russian language, and our discussion is now approaching the root of this problem.
That's where the problem lies!)) Prejudices ingrained in childhood are impossible to prove to someone. We believe it's right, without even thinking about why. In childhood, our mothers constantly repeat to us, "you can't swear," we teach our children the same, and they teach theirs, and so on... In short, it's a never-ending cycle (I hope I put the asterisks correctly this time))). From a common-sense perspective, it's all absurd. It will take many generations for this nonsense to fade from people's minds. And until then, we'll have to use asterisks.
You know, Ihti.
I once ended up in a rather remote village in the Transcarpathian region. I think you would have liked it there. The people are good, friendly, but both young and old use words starting with B, H, P, and other letters 3-4 times in a sentence. In short, it's the norm there. Children swear at the age of 4, making your ears droop, and lovely women use such expressions in ordinary conversations – wow! I myself use profanity, perhaps sometimes inappropriately, but it was really uncomfortable there. It was unpleasant.
Ihti, they didn't brainwash you, they just washed your brain. What kind of camps are you talking about? It's the 21st century, and we don't live in Africa...
Javdet, I am against the excessive use of profanity (and other filler words) and against insults. You probably didn't bother to read the discussion in full and didn't grasp my point of view. As a result, we came to the main question: why is profanity something special and repulsive? And in general, what is profanity in principle? Is there a definition for the word "profanity"? I think no one will be able to give a clear definition. "Profanity" is what your mother used to say "you can't talk like that" when you were a child. This prejudice is so deeply ingrained in our subconscious that we don't even think about why profanity is bad. It's just bad, and anyone who says otherwise is a heretic.
You're welcome. Having your own opinion is great. However, you shouldn't present it as the only correct one, and especially not speak on behalf of all of Kyiv (Ukraine, Russia, America, the Death Star, or fascist Mars).
Where did I present it as the only correct one? I think I actually wrote that in some matters, I completely agree with the opposite point of view from a theoretical perspective, but my thoughts usually stem from a practical perspective, and from this side, the Maidan is mostly absurd and misguided. In principle, 80% of the Maidan supported this point of view by leaving it. In 2004, the Maidan was only growing, which proved the correctness and purposefulness of the ideas at that time. But then there was only theory, and now people have experience, so they can no longer be easily misled by beautiful speeches. And the opposition has nothing more than beautiful speeches, no plans, no development... As a result, it turns out to be such an absurdity that 80% are against the current government, but only 20% are in favor of the opposition because both are "worthless."
Sanya, just for a moment, imagine the Svoboda party at the helm. That would be even worse than Zhirinovsky...