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What are the downsides of double?
JustObserver
Posts from Winter Championship for Heroes 3 [Kyiv-2014]
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Are you planning to attend this event?
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Yes, I will definitely come.
16.3%
13 votes
I will try, but I cannot give an exact answer right now.
22.5%
18 votes
I’ll decide closer to January (I’ll make up my mind at the last moment)
20%
16 votes
I definitely won’t be able to go.
41.3%
33 votes
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Wicc
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What are the downsides of the double elimination format?
StickyFingaz
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many games in the lower bracket and generally not a very flexible system for LANs.
JustObserver
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He doesn't fit into a 4-round format. Only single elimination and Swiss-system tournaments are suitable here. Moreover, in the Swiss-system, the winner has to win everything, and the places from 2nd onwards are determined by the coefficients.
Piterius
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Regarding templates, the discussion has been going on for over a month, and no suggestions have been made. Regarding HL+U, I wanted to add 8mm6a as the 5th template, but my more experienced colleagues dissuaded me (Vik, Dirty_player).
So, it seems that only you, as the organizer, need it for now, and without a clear vision, it will start with "I don't want this, I won't do that, why did I come here to play skirmishes, etc." Either create a poll and avoid headaches on this issue, or clearly define the templates now, and those who have objections will immediately respond. Decide at what stage to ban HL templates and at what stage to allow them; I agree that it's better for the last 2 rounds, provided there is time, you can add a couple of HL templates to the draft.
Хаос - это порядок, которым сложнее управлять.
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twaryna
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Right now, only you, as the organizer, need this, but without a clear vision, problems will start on-site: "I don't want to," "I won't," "Why did I come here just to watch?" Either create a poll and avoid headaches, or clearly define the templates now; those with objections will immediately voice them. Decide right away at what stage to ban HL templates and when to allow them. I agree that it's better for the last two rounds, provided there's enough time. You could add a couple of HL templates to the draft.
A clear pool of templates will definitely be announced before the tournament. There's still time to decide together – let's do it. The main problem with HL+U templates is that they lead to long games and missed deadlines. We need to clearly define how to solve this problem (there will definitely be no delays – this is unacceptable) and, if there is such a solution, we can include 8mm6a in the template pool instead of Mini-nosty. Then the template pool will be diverse enough to suit everyone. I don't see the point in adding more HL templates. But the question remains open: how to deal with the time issue? Awarding victory at a certain time? Forcing a final battle at a certain time? Or something else?
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Based on the templates, I suggest the following maps, with the timer in parentheses: M200 (8:4:1), 2sm4d(3) (10:6:1), Diamond (16:8:1), Mini-Nostalgia (20:8:1), Jebus Cross (20:8:1).
Any wishes, suggestions, or objections? :smile12:
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twaryna
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I suggest changing it to TerraDeiDemoni, considering that games on Mininost can be quite long (running around the treasures, etc.). Although I have nothing against Mininost.
Games on Mininost are far from being the longest. The map is completed in a month. In the worst case, it is easy to set up awarding points or a forced battle on this template. TerraDeiDemoni will definitely not be in the tournament - as it is a new template, it has more negative reviews and is generally ambiguous.
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Those who started playing 8mm6 can be encouraged to complete it in one go. They can definitely manage it within a day.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.
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Juristis
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I suggest changing it to TerraDeiDemoni, considering that the mini-games on Mininost can sometimes be quite lengthy (e.g., running around collecting treasures). Although I have nothing against Mininost.
Yesterday, I talked to Tvarina, and I'll only be available on January 4th and 5th, so I'm not sure if it's even worth coming. Also, I'm feeling a bit under the weather and I'm almost broke, so I'll decide after the New Year when the system and the number of participants are definitely known.
=Lizard=
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I must regretfully inform you that January 3rd and 4th are working days in Belarus, and I won't be able to get time off from work. This makes it the third time this year that I have to take unpaid time off for events. I risk not being able to attend the CIS tournament and thus disappoint the entire community. So, see you in May in Minsk... Have a good rest and enjoy playing.
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You can encourage those who started playing 8mm6 to finish it in one go. They can definitely manage it within a day.
That's a good idea. Invest time in one game, and then sleep for 3 days afterwards.
I must sadly inform you that January 3rd and 4th are working days in Belarus, and I won't be able to get time off from work. And that's already 3 trips at my own expense this year. I risk not being able to participate in the CIS tournament and letting down the entire community. So, see you in May in Minsk... Have a good rest and enjoy playing.
That's a shame, but hopefully, it won't be the last time, as they say. Good luck with organizing the CIS tournament!
Snooppy
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In my opinion, HL can be added to the finals if time allows; the rest needs to be played quickly. A mini-tournament for HL would be preferable. As Vic wrote, it's easier to award it if needed. For 8-player matches, the pattern is: they might surrender, resulting in a rest for the next match, or they might play, and it's impossible to find an opponent before the 2nd month. There's a certain risk... As an option, after generation, the judge checks the match for playability to avoid obvious delays, and based on the setup, requires FB to play a specific map and then starts the match.
P.S. For the finals, I'd like a more serious template to avoid complaints later.
P.P.S. And yes, reduce the timer by 2 minutes for HL.
P.S. For the finals, I'd like a more serious template to avoid complaints later.
P.P.S. And yes, reduce the timer by 2 minutes for HL.
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It's a decent idea. Invest time in one game, then sleep for 3 days.
What other options are there? Start playing in the morning and continue until the end. Everyone will be warned before the tournament that this is what awaits them in case of a game on an 8mm6a map. + there will be no incentive to rush through the entire map. It's like in tennis - with a weaker opponent than you, it makes sense to play a 3-set match, because over the distance, the chance of losing is even smaller, but only fatigue can accumulate before the next match. Strategy, damn it.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.
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Snooppy
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What other options could there be? We'll start playing in the morning and continue until the very end. Everyone will be warned before the tournament that this is what awaits them in case of a game on the 8mm6a map. + there will be no incentive to rush across the entire map. It's like in tennis - with a weaker opponent than you, it makes sense to play a 3-set match, because over the distance, the chance of losing is even smaller, but only fatigue can accumulate for the next match. Strategy, damn it.
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It's a good idea. Invest in one game, and then sleep for 3 days)