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For those who read between the lines, take a look at the list of "alternative candidates" – is it worth risking freedom for them? Among those deserving at least some respect, only the boxing brothers stand out, but where can you read about their program?

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After Roma's post, I was disappointed. Because he is right. BUT he forgot that every person should start, so to speak, "cleansing" with themselves, stop giving bribes, be sensitive to those around them, and so on. I want to say that the problem is deeper; it lies within us. Society has become different, not like it was 30 years ago.

A simple example: you need to get a child into kindergarten, but there's no one to leave them with, and a nanny isn't an option. They won't accept the child into kindergarten without a bribe. Will you start "cleansing" yourself? Will you start changing society? And no one will start. I'm afraid the problem lies in the mentality, which has developed historically.

For those who read between the lines, take a look at the list of "alternative candidates" – is it worth risking freedom for them? Among those deserving at least some respect, only the boxing brothers stand out, but where can we read about their program?

The Klitschko brothers' program. He is not yet ready for big politics. Perhaps later, something worthwhile will come of him, if he stops associating with Yatsenyuk.

Roma and his like-minded people – I’ll explain what the Maidan is for. Don’t talk nonsense about 4 years of enduring hardship and about Vradiivka; ordinary people have always been dissatisfied, but people without money won’t start a revolution. For all these 4 years, not only ordinary people but also small businesses have been suffering. Vik writes here that there are no real examples; come to Kyiv, and I’ll tell you a dozen examples of when a real business, operating for a certain number of years, has employees, a market share, and prospects, and then the authorities in black masks come, block its operations (legally, through fabricated court decisions) for a certain number of weeks, and it doesn’t matter that you, as the owner, are incurring losses, and your counterparties are also incurring losses, it doesn’t matter about the jobs and the people who fill them, who won’t receive their salaries and will go to the market to look for work? Who cares? Pay 50+1% to the “family” and continue working. Okay, you stole in the 90s, but they mostly don’t touch those people; people who didn’t sleep, didn’t eat, didn’t see their families, but created and built, endure this, and then the “smart” authorities come and say, “Give it up voluntarily, or we’ll take it anyway, legally.” And how long can you endure this? And then they find judges and their families with their heads cut off for their “legal decisions.” And I would understand if all this bloodshed was for the benefit of ordinary people, but no, the authorities are just filling their insatiable appetites. And they don’t care at all about our children, whom we can’t even get into kindergarten, and it won’t be any better anytime soon.
I won’t talk about ordinary people; things will always be bad there, as long as things are better somewhere. And the people always become a bargaining chip in the struggle for power. I want to talk about the driving force. I understand that even Robin Hood robbed the rich and gave to the poor, but he kept 80% of the taxes for himself, but he remained in people’s memory for centuries, and our current leaders can’t even last one term. You say there is no candidate? There is a candidate, but he has something to lose. This is a person from the real business world with a clear mind, extraordinary abilities, and an untarnished reputation. He is not positioning himself for power right now, but give him time, and he will come. And the Maidan is needed to create a “wow” effect, to show that the people are at their limit, “just in case.” Is it not clear that the decision to go or not go to the EU was just a spark that ignited the flame!?

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Evening dialogue with one of my friends:
[23:34:59] Peter: I’ll be in Kyiv next week
[23:34:59] Yura: Oh. Will you go to the Maidan?????
[23:35:15] Peter: yes
[23:35:33] Yura: And for me
[23:35:41] Yura: I have thoughts there
[23:35:46] Yura: Take some pictures
[23:40:36] Peter: well, if they haven’t dispersed yet, I’ll take some)
[23:41:29] Yura: They won’t disperse until spring
[23:41:58] Peter: But it’s so cold
[23:42:34] Yura: They’re warming up
[23:43:01] Peter: But what’s the point?
[23:43:12] Peter: Who pays for the heater?
[23:43:48] Yura: Because people don’t care. Listen, everyone pays. I pay. Whoever wants to
[23:44:19] Yura: I transferred 1000 UAH. Imagine. If at least 10,000 people transferred. Would that be enough for a heater?
[23:44:36] Yura: Today, all taxi services were transporting people for free
[23:44:40] Yura: All
[23:44:40] Peter: And where did you transfer it?
[23:44:45] Yura: To the Maidan account
[23:44:53] Yura: There is an organization there; this won’t end soon

So what? The purpose of the protests is already clear because people are outraged. The question is: what’s the plan of action for the people? Who will replace them? A mythical, virtuous leader with an untarnished reputation isn't stepping into politics yet. So, we have to choose from what exists. And they all seem rather unappealing. They'll promise mountains of gold at first, as usual… and then you know how it goes. Besides, most of those guys have already had their turn in power. Their performance was, to put it mildly, terrible.
And don’t be naive; no one decent will even get close to the top. There’s a set of tools that can’t be countered – blackmail, threats, discrediting through the media, sudden illness, physical elimination, etc. Or else, you’ll have to become part of the family. Let’s say, even if this righteous fighter for truth somehow manages to break through. Do you really think the system will allow him to take away their privileges? Again, don’t be naive.

You just added another item to my incomplete list regarding business restrictions, which could go on forever with healthcare, education, traffic police, etc.…

For now, what’s happening resembles a stalemate situation in Heroes of Might and Magic. The people are positioning the strike strictly as peaceful, which completely suits the authorities. Our “guarantor” is calmly inspecting sights in China, shooting wild boars outside the city, hanging out with his cronies... basically, he’s stalling. Considering that this isn't the best time for prolonged strikes, time is working in his favor. In general, a million peasants aren’t going to attack a dragon, although there is some impact on morale)).

The "oh dear" sentiment is somewhat correct, but not entirely. Deep down, I want to believe that this situation will at least slightly reduce lawlessness in the country, so they’ll start being afraid. But common sense suggests that it will more likely turn into something like "Vasya listens and eats." If an uncontrollable mob tears off a dozen heads and puts them on stakes along the Supreme Rada, then yes – such a twist would cool down the ardor of some comrades, albeit only a little bit. But next time, measures will be taken to prevent something similar.

In general, without a plan of action and a proper leader, this protest essentially makes no sense.

Yes, here’s another thing. Have you ever wondered why in normal countries people vote “for” a candidate or party in elections, while we vote “against”? It doesn’t make any sense…

Well, you know, your grumbling along the lines of "they gathered, chatted, complained, and then dispersed" (see Mikhalkov's monologue in the film "12"). Yes, you are more calculating and cynical; let the people freeze, while you drink tea, observe, and continue to complain. Maybe they'll change something for you.

This isn't just complaining; it's a social demand for a complete change of the entire cast. Once this demand reaches a certain scale, the curators will have to find a group of characters that is more suitable for Ukrainian politics. Otherwise, someone else will find this group, and they will cease to be the curators.

Well, you know, your grumbling along the lines of "they gathered, chatted, complained, and then dispersed" (see Mikhalkov's monologue in the film "12"). Yes, you are more calculating and cynical; let the people freeze, while you drink tea, observe, and continue to complain. Maybe they'll change something for you.

This is simply stating the fact that, with the current system, it will be extremely difficult to change anything.
Let's revisit this topic in 3-4 years; time will tell who was right. Of course, some improvements will appear in certain areas, but I'm sure that overall, things will remain just as bad. Although I really hope to be wrong, especially since you know that my personal income depends on the general well-being of citizens, so I am interested in improvement just as much as anyone else.

This is simply stating the fact that, with the current system, it will be extremely difficult to change anything.
Let's revisit this topic in 3-4 years, and time will tell who was right. Of course, there will be some improvements in certain areas, but I'm sure that overall, things will remain just as bad. Although I really hope to be wrong, especially since you know that my personal income depends on the overall well-being of the citizens, so I am interested in improvement just as much as anyone else.

There's no point in returning to this topic; I'm not saying you're wrong about the situation in the country, but you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the candidate. However, the issue is your overall attitude. You're just sitting around, criticizing both the government and those who oppose it and are protesting in the streets. What bothers me is this know-it-all attitude.

See, you understand my attitude, and you generally acknowledge that I'm right. But your attitude, and not just yours, is something like this: A son and father are running along the platform after a departing train. They have bags and suitcases in their hands. They stumble, get up, and run. They stumble again, fall, the suitcases open, they quickly gather everything, get up, and run again. They reach the end of the platform, but they don't make it. They watch the train disappear into the distance... The father suddenly turns around and slaps his son in the face! The son falls. He gets up: "Why, Dad?!?" "What else could I do, son? What else could I do?" If a truly worthy idea appears, and a worthy person emerges to lead this ideological movement, then I'll get off my high horse, I promise!

It’s clear from the start that you’re a calculating cynic. How many more times will you repeat that? Moreover, you even take pride in it. At some point, the realization of your incredible awesomeness becomes the reason why you first don’t want to see anything beyond your own nose, and then you simply can’t.
It’s better for you to stay there, because if people like you start acting on some idea, then a civil war might begin.

A father and son are running along the platform after a departing train. They have bags and suitcases in their hands. They stumble, get up, and run. They stumble again, fall, the suitcases open, they quickly gather everything, get up, and run again. They reach the end of the platform, but they don't make it. They watch the train disappear into the distance...
The father suddenly turns around and slaps his son in the face! The son falls. He gets up:
-- Why, Dad?!
-- What else could we do, son, what else could we do?

Great anecdote, very relevant!
I generally agree with Javdet that the current organization is geared either towards fanatical patriots or people who, due to their youth or age, are unable to analyze the past and present in order to see the future.

Which is worse – to be a cynic or a disposable pawn in someone else's game – is a debatable question. I repeat once again – there's no one worth sticking your neck out for. If they get rid of these guys, others just like them will come along. What's the point of arguing, you'll see for yourself soon enough.)))
Movement without a leader and a goal is not movement; it's more like a crowd scene.

Great joke on the topic!
I generally agree with Javdet that the entire current organization is geared either towards fanatical patriots or people who, due to their youth or old age, are unable to analyze the past and present in order to see the future.

:smile52: Analyst in his middle years, have you looked around? Imagine that there is no Maidan, that everything is as it was before. And what do you see? Isn't it this:smile34: :smile41: :smile41: :smile34: :smile41: :smile31: :smile35: :smile53: :smile51:

I repeat, there's no one worth risking your life for.

Here, you're being disingenuous. You won't go anywhere even when the idea appears (again, according to your personal opinion and assessment), simply because you're not driven by any ideology. You're not capable of understanding that people stand up not for someone, but primarily for themselves, for their family, for their country. And even without a specific idea or leader. With a leader, it would be a complete disaster; a coup would be 100% guaranteed. And the more people there are, and the longer they stand their ground, the greater the chance of a leader emerging. This is precisely one of those rare cases where the will of the people manifests itself strongly, even without a leader or an idea.
Roma, no one is arguing or dividing things into good and bad. Your position is clear, and it has the right to exist; I have no opinion on it. I'm tired of hearing this calculating nonsense, which is already obvious to everyone. The jokes are just stupid. They're only relevant up to the halfway point, when they're running and unsure if they'll reach their goal, but the ending is just nonsense that can be used to criticize anyone.
If they don't succeed today, they'll learn a lesson and succeed tomorrow. And those who don't run anywhere at all will just stay where they are, picking their noses and pointing fingers at passersby.

:smile52: Middle-aged analyst, have you looked around? Imagine there's no Maidan, that everything is as it used to be. And what do you see? Isn't it this:smile34: :smile41: :smile41: :smile34: :smile41: :smile31: :smile35: :smile53: :smile51:

The main thing is that after the Maidan, this will happen:
:smile14: :smile02: :smile16: :smile23: :smile54:

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because you are not capable of understanding that people are not standing up for someone, but primarily for themselves, for their family, for their country.

believe me, I am capable of understanding what they are standing up for. I am not capable of understanding what can break the system in our case ;)

George Orwell's book "1984" is very good. I advise you to download and listen to it. Although it mocks the Soviet Union, the essence is roughly the same - the leaders also thought they could break the system, but the opposite happened. "Animal Farm" by the same author is essentially about the same thing, with the only difference being that it is about capitalism.