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rebellious
But what does "bad" have to do with it, and who exactly said that? And what does it have to do with the distribution of colors in general? What prevented you from distributing the colors evenly? And in the second column of the grid (where it's 1/8), the alternating pattern should have simply been set to blue-red-red-blue... But you ignored my request regarding this.
In any case, no matter how you arrange the colors, there will always be a team that will go through the grid with one color.

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I'll tell the lazy ones about the statistics. 5-1 in Group A and 5-2 in Group B in favor of red. Moreover, all the blue wins were due to their extremely lucky setups. And you're manipulating things, and you even had the nerve to call it statistics, referring to the final part where there were 4 games and another one resulted in a forfeit (the data isn't even reflected in the report). Of the remaining games, it's 3-1 in favor of blue. I note again that the blue team had a very lucky setup in one game (a teapot on the respawn point near the dwarves, 12 angels in reserve, a village near the main castle, and on the main castle itself - trolls against an orcish efreet horde). And the second loss for the red team was due to a major blunder - the loss (deletion) of the main hero in the tavern in a virtually won game. Thus, even here, red is still ahead. If you're juggling facts, do it skillfully, backing it up with specifics.
There are too few games to claim that the wins were achieved due to the color. For me, the fact that in the semifinals and the final game, when choosing a color, the players choose blue means that blue is valued. Therefore, for me, it means more than statistics from a dozen games.
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And here's a mega-argument... again in favor of red! The blue team hoped to pull through on restarts, but they didn't study the statistics (in this case, the L-U pattern, which, as it turned out, doesn't exist), which ultimately led to their downfall, because the first move of the red team turns out to be more significant in practice.
Funny. Those who made it to the final stage certainly don't understand anything about choosing colors and Castles. :D
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This is just a personal opinion. But as an organizer, you can't ignore comments about flaws in the draw, which should provide opportunities for all players. And if the color issue is specified in the rules and regulations, then it matters.
For the sake of fairness, I would like to know the opinion of other participants in the Tournaments regarding the colors and the fairness of such a distribution.
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I don't even understand the essence of the complaints; let Rebel provide a full double table in which the color of ALL teams will change every 3 games. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of complaints; I would, in the organizers' place, put him on a blacklist, as he causes trouble in absolutely all tournaments he participates in, and for no reason.
P.S. In any case, changing something after the start because of 1 or 2 players will cause much more of a stir.
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I also agree with the idea that if the same color appears in four consecutive rounds, and it could be arranged so that the colors change more evenly for everyone, then it should have been done. Because it's possible that one player will get red four times in a row, and another will get blue four times in a row, and both will blame you for their losses, and they might be right, as each player might perform better with a different color.

But of course, when you move from the upper bracket to the lower bracket, it's probably difficult to foresee all the possible scenarios.
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yes yes... you need to throw fish into the boiling cauldron and dance a dance with rattles.

лето 2012.
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rebellious
But you didn't take advantage of that particular benefit; instead, you used another, unmentioned one – attacking a similarly weakened opponent's hero. And that's much more serious – main heroes are cut off from their treasure for at least a day. And here, there were even two of them.
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Someone always ends up at a disadvantage, regardless of the color.
The thing is, with this setup, in most cases, you can and should aim for the 121 strategy, except in some special situations.
And then, it's the red player who ends up at a disadvantage, and this is directly related to the color. And again, the fact that we didn't go for it and instead stalled on the rush was very risky, and if you had capitalized on that turn, taking advantage of the blue color, we would have deserved it.

The point is this: you say the color decided. No, it didn't – for the simple reason that you could clearly have won without such a risky rush. 122 – you should expect that the red player might arrive soon. Thanks to the blue color, you took a Castle, you had archers, and this almost guaranteed that you could escape or buy your way out if necessary. Then, Tazar arrives, and what does he see? Valya is standing at the Garrison with 5 archers. Why does she need 5 archers, if not to make it harder to buy her way out? Furthermore, a scout is standing at the Garrison with the entire army, including 6 angels. Why does he need to stand at the Garrison if he can stand further away so that he can't be reached, and then bring the army later?

So, Tazar arrived and killed everyone, yes. But if Valya had been at the Garrison with 1-2 archers and a couple of heroes on the rush, Tazar would have arrived, and what would have happened? Well, he would have spent a turn to reach them, he would have driven Valya away, he would have killed the scouts. And that's it, Valya would have bought her way out in the nearest Castle, troops would have been brought in, and it's scary to imagine what would have happened to poor Tazar.

I find it difficult to understand how you can claim that the color decided, when you put yourself at such a disadvantage. If you can explain to me that you had some necessity for the above, then I will agree that the color decided. But as it is, I see a risky game and mistakes on both sides, but yours turned out to be fatal.

I believe that both colors are good in their own way. I can understand that someone might not want to play the same color for many games in a row; I myself encountered this in Jeb's tournament, wanting to play blue, but ending up playing red for 4 games. But at the same time, the statement that the color decided, and that it's all a conspiracy and discrimination, is incorrect and, in my opinion, cannot be considered an argument.
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There was an option to flip a coin each time to decide on the color, but the option in the table is also viable. I don't see any other reasonable options.
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Need help in the form of an extra computer tomorrow at 2 PM Moscow time. I need someone to log into the game and stay there for no more than an hour. I would be grateful.
Не бійся коли ти один, бійся коли ти нуль.

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Konstantin, isn't it time to announce the results of the round?;)
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evil_romantic
Kostya, isn't it time to announce the results of the round?;)
You don't have any opponents anyway. :D But in general, you're right. As far as I know, your opponents have disappeared without a trace.... :(
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Dirty_Player
You don't have any opponents anyway. :D But in general, you're right. As far as I know, your opponents have disappeared without a trace... :(
That's right, we were chasing them for 3 weeks:D I want to play :smile51:
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The team phoenixes has made a substitution, with permission from the orgs (due to Gunnar's ban from all official HeroesWorld tournaments), and the second (or first!?) player will be Gomunguls.
I request that the participant list be updated accordingly.
I also want to propose Sunday (the upcoming one), team +12 MSK for the game; I've duplicated this in ICQ to both players.
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The_

I also want to suggest Sunday (the upcoming one), at +12 Moscow time, for a game. I duplicated the message in ICQ for both of you.

We are not playing against your team, and honestly, I don't understand. Judging by the table, your team was eliminated from the tournament, right?
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The_
a replacement has been made in the phoenixes team, with the organizers' permission (due to Gunnar's ban from all official tournaments by HW).
I don't understand how the organizers can even make such a decision, replacing players with those who are not equivalent, and moreover, in the losers' bracket, and moreover, while participating themselves, and moreover, while being in a different bracket.
This raises the question: PEKA: ?????

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I have nothing against Vitl or Ze.

лето 2012.
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Dima Surmay
We're not playing against your team, and honestly, I don't understand. Judging by the table, your team was eliminated from the tournament, right?
Oops, we're playing against "Fortress," I looked in the wrong place yesterday :)

I suggest the "Fortress" team play on Sunday.)
P.S. I just checked the bracket, and for some reason, "Fortress" is further ahead :smile32:
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The executioner is away; we'll arrange a meeting when he returns.

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