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By the way, I don't see you around much, do you play less often?

Not playing right now. It's summer. I have a lot of work. And I want to take a break from Heroes. In the fall, closer to winter, I'll start playing again.
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Right now, I'm not playing. It's summer. I have a lot of work. And I want to take a break from Heroes. In the fall, closer to winter, I'll start playing again.
I have a vacation in the summer) I saw you today and thought about suggesting a game in the coming days, just to compare, so to speak. But work is work, that's for sure.
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04.08.2013 The_ (blue, Rampart, Ivor, Galtran) def Lem (red, Fortress, Tazar) mininosta 136. game 2 (The_ 2:0 Lem).

The opponent took 1 resource zone and we were off.
Ivor with one stack, Ufretin in the tavern, but at least there is Galtran even if with one stack. In the Castle we got horses, bone count by 121 - 200, killed the computer (Castle). Nothing interesting at the respawn, an external market and an external dwelling of centaurs. After necromancing the computer's respawn, I immediately went to the treasure zone, got beaten up there, in the end out of 300 skeletons only 180 remained, but I captured two quest artifacts (15k gold, 60 lizards). Went and killed another computer (Citadel), killed the main blue computer's general (Dungeon), took a level-one Dragon Utopia, angels in the Castle, returned to the first treasure zone, where there was a KZ for 10-19 nagas oO. But a surrender message came, the opponent's game didn't work out.

Thanks for the games and good luck going forward.
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04.08.2013 The_ (blue, Rampart, Ivor, Galthran) def Lem (red, Fortress, Taz) mininosta 136. game 2 (The_ 2:0 Lem).

Opp took 1 re and off we went.
Ivor with one stack, Ufretin in the tavern, but at least there's Galthran even if he also has one stack. In the castle, horses were built, skeleton count by 121 - 200, killed a comp (Castle). Nothing interesting at the respawn, an external market and an external dwelling of Centaurs. After necromancing the comp's respawn, immediately went to the treasure zone, got beaten up badly there, resulting in 180 skeletons left out of 300, but I captured two quest artifacts (15k gold, 60 Lizardmen). Went and killed another comp (Citadel), killed the main blue comp (Dungeon), took a single Dragon Utopia, Angels in the castle, returned to the first treasure zone, there КЗ for 10-19 naga oO. But a surrender message came in, things didn't work out for the opp.

Thanks for the games and good luck further.

I confirm. Killed two comps very quickly, spread out to 7 heroes, and then the problems started. In the end, I lost in the treasure zone.

Thanks for the game. Good luck in the upper bracket
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Offline Pit for LM
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We kindly request all playoff participants to contact their opponents as soon as possible and to immediately inform the tournament organizer about any problems, rather than waiting until the end of the first round.

The group stage is over. The final results will be available in the tables soon.
Most players managed to meet the deadlines. 72 out of the planned 80 games were played, which is a very good result for the tournaments, + 3 qualifying games.

Let me explain the decision regarding Group F.
The difficulties we had to overcome:
- the number of participants with equal results - five, which is extremely inconvenient for tie-breaker games;
- limited time - the playoffs are already underway, opponents are waiting, i.e., we have a few days, which means no more than 2 tie-breaker games, and even that is a lot;
- most players lack consistent rating statistics and have played very few games in the season;
- fairness suggests that the strongest players should advance to the playoffs from the group, however, based on the round-robin results, the level of these five players is approximately equal... how do you choose from equals?

Ideally, we would have wanted the games to decide the outcome, not a lottery.
Many options were considered, including:
- a new round-robin - the deadline does not allow it, and the result is not guaranteed (and if there is another tie? this is quite likely based on the results of the first round) - unfair to the opponents waiting in the playoffs;
- tie-breaker games (1-2 games) - two participants felt that the proposed system was not entirely fair;
- time to play out the group - one of the participants joined as a substitute, he needed to catch up with the opponents, unfair to him;
- one game for 5 people according to the rules of the Hunger Games (this would have been the best option) - problems with the template, time limit, rules, time per game for 5 players, coordination... - this also looks like a lottery with five heroes, it would have required serious work, and again, we have tight deadlines;
- somehow use the rating - with our rating calculation system, a player without games is assigned a rating of 1500, i.e., the one who has not played a single game formally has a higher rating than the one who lost one game. One player has no games, two more have very few, and only two have played a sufficient number of games. Excluding or including them in the playoffs based on this criterion is unfair;
- and a few more, which turned out even worse...
- random selection.

We thought about this issue for quite a long time, even when this situation was just becoming likely.
The decision to randomly assign places was unanimously approved by the judges and the tournament organizer.
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I think this distribution is a stupid decision, because in the "Novichok" tournament, there are many unknown players, and really strong participants could have ended up in one group, and to eliminate them just like that because someone is unlucky in the lottery?! Are we here to eat shawarma at the bazaar?
P.S. it could have been based on the seasonal rating, for example...

Thank you for your kind words. Did it take you a couple of minutes to write this post? In the future, please be more polite in your statements and do not insult the tournament organizers. We are not eating shawarma here either.
/Although, it is quite possible that it is difficult to call smart those people who work on a gaming forum for free for 3-6, or even 9-12 hours daily and run tournaments, which they don't care about. Anton and Dima spent almost the whole day yesterday organizing a 4-minute show./
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I would like to ask the organizers to excuse me for not being able to finish the last game (which, however, didn't affect the outcome). The business trip was extended by 2 weeks (you can't argue with the boss). I hope for your understanding.
"Моего фристайла сила крепче чем текила" (с) Лигалайз
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Offline MuLLIyTa
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Pit for LM

Thank you for the kind words. Did it take you just a couple of minutes to write this post? In the future, please be more respectful in your comments and avoid insulting the tournament organizers. We're not just sitting around eating shawarma here.
/Although, it's quite possible that it's hard to call intelligent people who work on a gaming forum for free, 3-6, or even 9-12 hours a day, and run tournaments that they don't care about./
I didn't mean to offend anyone. Thank you for describing the situation; that's what I wanted to know. I'll try to be more mindful of what I say:cool: :D
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Offline Pit for LM
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And finally, the last thing I need to write about is the "New Players" vs. "Legends and Myths" team sub-tournament.

A total of 21 games were played:
- 12 on the 2sm4d(3) map,
- 5 on Jebus,
- 3 on 8mm6a,
- 1 on Panic.

The score is 20-1 in favor of LM.
The following players brought points to the LM team:
twaryna - 6 wins,
=Stinger= - 4 wins,
numOne - 3 wins,
Gomunguls and Pit for LM - 2 wins each,
Maretti and LeBron - 1 win each,
Javdet and GoD - 1 draw each.

Grizvald and u2noob brought half a point to the NP team.

Interestingly, both draws occurred on the 8mm6a map, and one of them was on full WT.
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Dear map creators! Something needs to be done about the CM map. Especially if tournaments are held on it. In terms of imbalance, it can only be compared to Jebus, and even then, not really.
This statement contradicts the experimental data.
In the NP vs. LM tournament on CM and Jebus, 12 + 5 = 17 games were played. The "daddy" team showed a 100% result.

I hope that playing and communicating with the Legends was useful for the New Players. And the score in this tournament is completely irrelevant.

Holding such a tournament was an experiment.
Therefore, I would like to hear the opinions of the participants.
Does it make sense to make such sub-tournaments within the Newcomer tournament a tradition?
Maybe there are some interesting ideas and suggestions regarding the format?
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Holding such a tournament was an experiment.
Therefore, I would like to hear the opinions of the participants.
Does it make sense to make these kinds of mini-tournaments within the Novice Tournament a tradition?
Maybe there are some interesting ideas and suggestions regarding the format?

The idea is excellent, the tournament was very interesting, and it should definitely become a tradition; it adds variety and attracts more attention.

Regarding the format, I believe that points should be awarded precisely, either one way or the other. That is, for winning against a Low Master player, a novice receives 1 point within the Novice Tournament, but within the Novice vs. Low Master Tournament, they receive 1.5 or even 2 points.
This would be much fairer to the tournament participants and would serve as a good bonus/motivator for novices, rather than the main match in the tournament, for which you can get 1-1.5 points, which almost 100% guarantee advancement from the group (considering that the novice already has two points and has been allowed to play in the Novice vs. Low Master match).
Overall, the tournament was a solid five out of five. Thank you to Pitu, all the organizers, and the Low Master players for the game and for creating this mini-tournament.
P.S. It's a pity that the interesting game against Tvarina didn't happen due to a stupid loss or even a series of losses =(.
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I also really enjoyed this sub-tournament, and I don't think there's any question about making it a tradition. Of course, yes! It would be interesting to meet the current NP vs LM lineup again in about a year and see how the newcomers are "growing." Grizvald and u2noob - :smile20:
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In terms of format, I believe that points should be awarded with precision, either for or against. For example, winning against a beginner in the League of Masters (LM) should award 1 point within a beginner tournament, while in a tournament pitting Novice Players (NP) against League of Masters, it should award 1.5 points or even 2 points.

Good idea.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Offline Lim4
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+ The sub-tournament is a good way to prevent newcomers from getting discouraged. It's very helpful.
+ It's nice to play "without waiting in line" against some of the top players.
+ After a few of these tournaments, it will be interesting to compare the statistics and see which newcomers performed better.
- The only downside, I think, is that Rockmachine might be a bit disappointed, as he didn't advance from the group stage because of this new feature. So, I'll join The_'s suggestion regarding points for wins and draws.
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Definitely a good idea!
Firstly, it's not every day that you get to play with your dad, and he doesn't make excuses about being busy or having other tournaments, which is very nice:)
Secondly, you get help with analyzing the game afterwards, and they point out your weaknesses (like they did with me when I was running around the swamp with a skeleton:D)
Thirdly, you get to meet some of the top players, they appear in your contact list, and you can ask them questions.
Fourthly, you realize that they are just normal people, without any weird quirks (I admit, I used to think that, but I won't think that way anymore:smile38:)
And finally, I would like them to promise to play with us fans sometimes (at least once a week:rolleyes:) and provide a report, can you promise that?
P.S. The tournament was great, but I feel a little sorry for Kostya, he was more a victim of the rules, but there are still many tournaments ahead, thanks for your attention!:)
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Another idea has emerged, though it's still in its early stages. Basically, the idea is that during a Legends of Might and Magic vs. New Players tournament, a representative from Legends of Might and Magic, along with the new player, would participate in a Skype conference to observe and provide guidance. The representative wouldn't play for the new player but would point out mistakes, teach gameplay nuances, and perhaps suggest a strategy for the game. Perhaps this bonus should not be given to all new players, but rather to those who have scored three or more points in the group stage, or to the top three players. If this idea can be further developed and implemented, it would be fantastic and very interesting.
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05.08.2013 u2noob (blue, dungeon, Behemoth, Alkin) def Slayzer (red, swamp, Tazar, Tazar) Jebus Cross 123. game 1 (u2noob 1:0 Slayzer).

Everything was going well, many hives, a free Alkin lvl 5 with Earth magic, dwelling Minotaurs, on 112 had 18 gremlins, got scared of Go-Titans and on 121 went without road to the Minotaurs two days later exiting with oil through a couple of border gates (46 gremlins, 35 medusas, single upgraded Lions), but on 123 opponent surrenders. Thanks for the game.
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