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#3943
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Some people say you should drink less, others say you should drink more, but everyone agrees on one thing – you should drink!
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Some people say you should drink less, others say you should drink more, but everyone agrees on one thing - you should drink!
But why?...
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IhtiandrSome people say you should drink less, others say you should drink more, but everyone agrees on one thing - you should drink!
But why?...I'll ask DD to conduct a training course for you in Odessa on the topic of "why?", with mandatory laboratory sessions.
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Why bother?...

Happiness exists, and drinking is also happiness.
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Happiness is having, and drinking is also happiness))

So let's drink, to the health of Ariputra!:D
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Everyone knows my attitude towards alcohol, but I don’t see anything wrong with it. What’s bad is alcoholism! In France, it’s considered normal to have a glass of wine with lunch. In the Netherlands, marijuana is legal. In England, police officers don’t carry weapons. In different countries, you can find things that don’t apply to Russia. It all depends on the mentality of the country, and everyone is free to choose their own path. If someone can’t cope with the “green serpent” and turns to the bottle in both good times and bad, then that’s a problem for that person, who is weak in spirit.
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In France, it is considered normal to have a glass of wine with lunch. In the Netherlands, marijuana is legal. In England, police officers do not carry weapons. In different countries, you can find things that are not applicable to Russia.

But why are they not applicable? Even having a shot of vodka with lunch is not a sin here, and drugs are sold behind every garage.

And regarding alcohol and alcoholism – I think it's all nonsense. Yes, alcoholism is a disease, and a person suffers from it. But you can't tell by looking at a normal person whether they are an alcoholic or not. I know many people who have gone through alcoholism, but none of those around them, including me, noticed it or knew that the person was suffering from alcoholism. Almost all major businessmen are alcoholics because the job is very stressful, but you wouldn't know it by looking at many of them. And a homeless person, Vasya, whether he is an alcoholic or not, will still be seen as a homeless person by those around him. Therefore, statements like "alcoholism destroys a person" seem funny to me – it's just a disease, and nothing more. You shouldn't confuse cause and effect.
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Everyone knows my attitude towards alcohol, but I don't see anything wrong with it. The problem is alcoholism! In France, it's considered normal to have a glass of wine with lunch. In the Netherlands, marijuana is legal. In England, police officers don't carry weapons. In different countries, you can find things that don't apply to Russia. It all depends on the mentality of the country, and everyone is free to choose their own destiny. If someone can't cope with the "green serpent" and turns to the bottle in both good times and bad, then that's a problem for that person, who is weak in spirit.
I agree. Only the weak drink!
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Why isn't it applicable? Even having a shot of vodka during lunch isn't a sin for us; they're pushing nonsense everywhere, even behind every garage.

And regarding alcohol and alcoholism – I think it's all nonsense. Yes, alcoholism is a disease, and a person suffers from it. But you can never tell by looking at a normal person whether they are an alcoholic or not. I know many people who have gone through alcoholism, but none of those around them, including me, noticed it or knew that the person was suffering from alcoholism. Almost all major businessmen are alcoholics because their work is very stressful, but you wouldn't be able to tell by looking at many of them. And as for the homeless Vasya, whether he's an alcoholic or not, he'll still be seen as a homeless person by those around him. Therefore, statements like "alcoholism destroys a person's personality" seem amusing to me – it's just a disease, and nothing more. Don't confuse cause and effect.

Everything that is normal in the Netherlands or in some Colombia is not a dogma for normal people. And successful businessmen often end up drinking themselves to ruin; just ask their wives
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Anything that is considered normal in the Netherlands or Colombia is not necessarily a standard for normal people.

In the Netherlands, they would laugh at this statement throughout the entire bus.
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About alcohol.
I remember one case: I was sitting in the yard one summer, waiting for a friend, and then this man, about 50 years old, sat down next to me on the bench. He sat there for a while, silent, and then he started pouring his heart out to me. He told me how the government had ruined his whole life, saying directly, "the government is holding me down here" (grabbing his neck), that it was getting him drunk, getting his drunkard friends drunk, getting his neighbor Ninka drunk, that the president himself had personally signed a decree to get the Russian people drunk, and him in particular, almost pouring vodka down his throat. He was a strange guy, and I wouldn't have listened to him at all, but he spoke with such feeling and sadness, as if it were a revelation to him, and he didn't look like a completely hopeless drunk.
Well, I didn't understand his arguments, of course. I also drank sometimes with friends, but I always did it of my own free will, quite consciously and with pleasure. And that's what I told him, I said, "it all depends on you, just take it and stop drinking right now. No one is holding you back, and no one is getting you drunk, you are getting yourself drunk." After these words, he looked at me as if I were insane, with such sincere bewilderment, as if I had just turned into the president, pouring vodka into his glass. He was silent for a while, clicked his tongue, and then said that I just didn't understand anything, that I would understand when I grew up, and something else about how the government was suffocating him. Luckily, my friend showed up, and I left. And he remained there, sitting on that bench, annoyed by my words.
I could almost see him the next day, downing a drink and imagining the president in his kitchen, sitting there and pouring vodka into his glass.
This is just a lyrical digression.

After that, I learned a certain lesson for myself, and whenever I hear arguments like "we are being made to drink," I always remember that man. And this was, by the way, in the early 2000s, when there was beer in every stall, alcohol advertising everywhere, and a lot of cheap liquor was sold, and everyone ignored the law "don't sell to those under 18" (only recently has this been strictly enforced). That is, if you compare that time (10 years ago) and now, the government has definitely started to care more about our sobriety. And when you go to the store and buy a bottle of whiskey on Friday, you do it completely consciously and of your own free will.
That only weak people become alcoholics – I can't agree with that. I know many people who have already achieved certain heights in life and drink heavily, especially many of them are professors and negotiators in manufacturing and construction – no agreement can be reached without alcohol, and many people in management positions in the oil industry drink a lot.
That young people drink, well, that has always been and always will be, they drink because of hopelessness, and theoretically, one could somehow help them, get rid of their addiction or something, but they don't need it at all, they just need to sit in the kitchen with a neighbor, drink a bottle, and complain about the government. Laziness and idleness, in a word.
Yes, sometimes normal people drink, who have had some kind of trouble in life. They drink because they need to escape somewhere, it's something similar to turning to religion. But thank God, they drink and are perfectly aware that they are doing it themselves, of their own free will, methodically, simply because they can't do otherwise.

And the fact that people drink 1-2 times a week with friends, not to get drunk and riot, feeling like the master of the universe, but just to relax, to relieve a little tension from the routine – I don't see anything wrong with that. In my opinion, smoking is much more harmful to health than moderate alcohol consumption.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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In other words, if you compare that time (10 years ago) with now, the government has specifically started to care about our sobriety.

I don't understand why the government even organized this circus with anti-alcohol and anti-tobacco laws... They found something to fight against... There are a huge number of really serious problems that need to be solved, but instead, they are taking care of our sobriety)) They have checked a thousand times throughout history - dry laws are meaningless; people will drink as much as they did before. And a ban on sales after 10 pm will only cause general discomfort and irritation. Why should they care about my sobriety and health? It's my life. When, where, and how much to drink is a personal matter, and restricting people in this regard is a violation of their rights and freedoms.
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When, where, and how much to drink is a personal matter, and restricting people in this regard is absolutely pointless.
Well, I wouldn't say that. What about "a person, their life, and their health are the highest values for the state"? And besides, what if during or after a drinking spree, you feel like doing something heroic (which happens in the vast majority of cases), and you end up doing something wrong? Then it won't be just your personal matter anymore. This is crime prevention in action.
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Ihtiandr
A ban on sales after 10 PM will only cause general discomfort and irritation.

I would personally shake the hand of everyone involved in introducing this ban. There is no discomfort from this, quite the opposite. It could even be extended to 8 PM; they'll drink earlier and go to bed earlier. :)
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.