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twaryna
Is the billiards championship also determined by the participants? If 70% are in favor of Russian, then it's "CIS." 30% are in favor of pool – is that not "CIS"? It's a silly comparison, of course, but the point is clear.
The point is clear. Strictly speaking, in Heroes, you can't hold a CIS championship, or a world championship and its surrounding areas. Only registered federations can hold championships. In chess, the championships are held by FIDE, in football by FIFA, etc. The name "CIS championship" was invented by Nagan. The idea of the tournament was that selections were held in different regions of the former CIS, and then a final tournament. Now, in essence, the CIS tournament has turned into an ordinary club tournament, which has become a tradition and is organized by the participants themselves, and therefore the participants choose the version themselves. The emphasis is not on the version, but on the players. The version is chosen based on the preferences of the participants, and not the participants are selected based on the version. So, in this case, CIS is more likely to be interpreted as sit-n-go :D
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The idea is clear. To be precise, it's impossible to hold a CIS championship or a world championship (and its surrounding regions) in Heroes. Only registered federations can hold championships. In chess, it's FIDE, in football, it's FIFA, and so on. The name "CIS Championship" was invented by Nagan. The idea of the tournament was that qualifying rounds would be held in different regions of the former CIS, followed by a final tournament. Now, essentially, the CIS tournament has turned into an ordinary club tournament, which has become a tradition and is organized by the participants themselves; therefore, the participants also choose the version. The emphasis is not on the version, but on the players. The version is chosen based on the preferences of the participants, and not the participants are chosen based on the version. So, in this case, CIS is more likely to be interpreted as "sit-n-go."

Well, that's not what I meant. I'm not very familiar with the history of these tournaments, but I read Nagan's work on the subject. My point was that tournaments for WoG and SoD can easily coexist in reality. Whether it's a "CIS" tournament or a tournament with another name, it doesn't matter. The main difference is the game version. A strong lineup can be gathered for a SoD tournament, in my opinion. The main thing is to present it well and organize it at a high level.
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Well, that's not what I meant. I'm not very familiar with the history of such tournaments, but I read Nagan's opus here. My point was that VT and SoD tournaments can easily coexist in real life. Whether it's "CIS" or a tournament with another name. It doesn't matter. The main difference is the game versions. In my opinion, a strong roster can be assembled for a SoD tournament as well. The main thing is to present it beautifully and run it at a high level.
Well, the main thing here is to set priorities. What is more important: making a tournament specifically on SoD, or making a tournament that many people will attend? Personally, I travel from afar mostly for the sake of socializing and meeting interesting people. The game version isn't important. At the first CIS final in Kyiv, the version was SoD, but almost all the VT players came. :smile32:
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Almost all the WT players showed up. :smile32:

Because the coolest players are the WT players. And SoD is garbage.
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Because the coolest guys are those who play with Warlocks. And SoD is garbage.

:D :D :D Five points :D :D :D

Did a skier talk about speed skating and then drag sleds behind him??? :smile20:
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twaryna
Well, that's not what I meant. I'm not very familiar with the history of such tournaments, but I read Nagan's opus here. My point was that VT and SoD tournaments can easily coexist in real life. Whether it's "CIS" or a tournament with another name. It doesn't matter. The main difference is the game versions. In my opinion, a strong roster can be assembled for a SoD tournament as well. The main thing is to present it beautifully and run it at a high level.

twaryna, wouldn't you like to visit this event in Odessa yourself? It seems like it's not far to travel) If the problem is the version, that can be solved..
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Didn't Pete win the CIS tournament? It was just a regular club tournament in Moscow. The CIS tournament will be in Odessa this year.
Hmm... I guess I misunderstood then. I remember reading somewhere that the CIS tournament for Wargame would be in Odessa, and at the same time, there was talk about Nagan hosting a tournament for Sodu in Moscow. I thought it was also the CIS tournament... And even though there weren't many people, they invited everyone. Just like in the CIS tournament where Stinger won; besides him and Cobra, there weren't many other serious contenders.
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Gomunguls
besides him and Cobra, there weren't many other strong contenders.
and what about FTS, Valenok, and others – isn't that enough?...although the participation of Stinger and Cobra is sufficient to represent CIS-12, which in no way compares to the Moscow local competition...
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Gomunguls
Hmm... Just like in the CIS region where Stinger won, there weren't many other strong contenders besides him and Cobra.

Thanks, of course... but I didn't even make it to the final, as I lost on a mirror map to the future finalist, FireToSky. And even without Stinger, there was a good half of the elite hero community: CIS-11 champion Preds, Bayazet (multiple-time champion), FTS, Valenok, and others who were just as worthy, but a little less lucky. :)
Final prize distribution:
1. Stinger 4/4 (15K cash + cup)
2*. FTS 3/4 (5K cash)
3-5. Bayazet, Valenok, Yosemit, KobRa 3/4 (5K cash)
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twaryna, wouldn't you like to attend this event in Odessa yourself? It doesn't seem like a long trip. If the problem is the game version, that can be resolved.

I would certainly like to and would gladly come, but I have my most important job of the year specifically during the May holidays, and I can't get away. That's why I'm interested in the idea of an "alternative" SODU championship during the Christmas holidays (as I understand it, there are no other suitable dates besides May).
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Gomunguls
Interesting, but who will award Pete for the CIS region? Why hasn't he received a medal yet?
And I personally have a question for Nagan - what's the point of them even playing? They didn't win the CIS region together, so why aren't the others playing, only Pete and Stinger?


This was a club tournament, not a CIS championship, but it was of decent quality, although a couple of Moscow players should have been ashamed not to come, even if they weren't going to play, just to socialize. Yama, Stinger, and Mega Pes managed to make it, although they all have kids.:smile20:

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twaryna
The Moscow tournament hardly qualifies as a "CIS" event. But there's a key difference compared to the "CIS" event in Odessa. SOD and VT. In the future, if SOD tournaments continue, this could develop into two good tournaments. Whether it's "CIS" or not.


I don't see any reason why not. If we want to, we'll organize it.

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Dirty_Player
That's not quite right. The CIS version is determined by the players themselves. Why do 70% of VT players attend the CIS event? If SOD enthusiasts were attending, it would be a SOD event. The tournament isn't tied to a specific version.

I have a slightly different perspective on this. VT players always make a lot of noise and issue ultimatums, so although the tournaments were initially conceived as joint TE and SOD events, they have become only TE-VT.
In Michurinsk, Mizrael, Scorp, Vitalik, and Leha qualified through the qualifiers, but they didn't play in the true TE tournament. I don't believe that VT and SOD will play together in the same tournament in Odessa. As someone rightly said: "Because the best players are VT players. And SoD is crap."

True VT players will say that to a SoD player.

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Gomunguls
Hmm... I guess I misunderstood. I only realized that when I read that the VT CIS event would be in Odessa... I saw somewhere that Nagan would be hosting a SOD event in Moscow at the same time, and I thought it was also a CIS event... And even though there weren't many people, everyone was invited. Just like in the CIS event where Stinger won, there weren't many other serious contenders besides him and Cobra.

I've already said that if you, Marcon, Stinger, twaryna, and a couple more of the best players join the players who were in Moscow, that will become the CIS championship for SoD. Provided that everyone agrees on the location and timing. I spoke with Tema Stinger, Pete, and other guys, and they support such a championship.

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twaryna
Well, that's not what I meant. I'm not very familiar with the history of these tournaments, but I read Nagan's article. My point was that VT and SOD tournaments can coexist in real life. Whether it's a "CIS" event or a tournament with another name. It doesn't matter. The main difference is the game version. A strong lineup can be gathered for a SOD tournament, in my opinion. The main thing is to present it well and organize it properly.

It's not an article. It worked. Unfortunately, the split happened because of the versions, but it's perfectly possible to play whoever wants to play and be friends. I have about 30 TE friends, even though they criticize SoD for no reason.
Of course, VT and SoD tournaments can exist. I'm much more interested in SoD, so I organize SoD tournaments, and those who like VT more organize VT tournaments.

In conclusion, I'll say that a game between the best Heroes players always generates a lot of interest. At one time, people traveled to Krasnodar specifically to see how Chaos, the most famous Moscow player, would play against Antal, the legendary Peter player. They were expected in the final, but both were eliminated, one lost in the eighth round to Uncle Fedor, and the other in the quarterfinal to Bishop, they played in an Olympic format.

In my opinion, I know how Stinger plays and I saw live how the demobilized Peter plays, their match is worth watching, that's why I'll come. But it's not just the two of them who decide in SoD. We need to do it like before, the best players agree, the core of the tournament, and then those who want to try their hand and the spectators join them.
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I'm for a summer (or warm - spring/autumn) SoD...
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I have a slightly different version of events regarding this. VT players are always making a lot of noise
So what's stopping us from making some noise ourselves?

If the VT community is capable of self-organizing in real life, while the SoD community only exists on the internet, then it's logical that club champs are held for VT.

Understand that nobody here is against club tournaments for SoD. I, for example, am strictly in favor—I'd travel to such a tournament of yours and even convince Matrosova to come along.

Meaning the issue here is the availability of organizers and a quorum of participants. In this case, among the VT players, they found Aztec as an organizer and 40 people willing to travel—so there will be a champ.

Or are you bothered by the fact that the "CIS Championship" brand fell into the wrong hands? Well, it's only logical that the most representative tournament in terms of numbers and composition should bear such a name.
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I'm all for a summer (or warm – spring/autumn) SOD...
I don't know who would travel from far away in the summer or autumn? Unfortunately, there's no alternative to the May holidays. And having 2 events a year is already a big deal.
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If the Warlords & Titans community is capable of self-organization in real life, while the SOD community only exists online, then it's logical that club championships are held for Warlords & Titans.
I completely agree. Personally, I'm convinced that with the advent of the HD mod, the game version is no longer relevant. If before, one could argue that Warlords & Titans/The Eastern Clans had a convenient interface, now that advantage is gone, and SOD is competitive.
Nagan-4
they issue ultimatums, so although the tournaments were initially conceived as joint TE and SOD events, they became only TE-Warlords & Titans.
The ultimatums are issued by SOD fans who say: "Oh, Warlords & Titans... there's no point in even coming." I'm ready to play any version of the game, and I'm coming to the CIS championship not so much for playing Heroes, but for socializing, meeting old friends, and meeting new ones, as well as for getting to know another city (country) and other entertainment, which in the modern world is the primary factor of a good tournament.
Nagan-4
In conclusion, I'll say that a game between the best Heroes players always generates great interest. At one time, people traveled to Krasnodar specifically to see how Chaos, the most famous Moscow player, would play against Antal, the legendary Heroes player from St. Petersburg.
Now, no one will travel to watch a beautiful game; now there are streams and broadcasts, and people have already watched enough beautiful games from pro players.

In Moscow, there was just a tournament, without any additional flair (as far as I understand from this topic). People won't travel from far away for that, so the tournament turned out to be a "Moscow get-together," and the game version has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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Someone rightly said: "Because the coolest players are those who play with the SoD ruleset. And SoD is garbage."
True SoD players will say that to a WT player.

So far, I'm seeing the opposite. SoD players criticize WT for the inappropriate behavior in the WT chat, and SoD players themselves say that SoD is garbage, reveling in the offense caused by the words they themselves uttered.
And at the same time, true WT players are organizing a tournament that will include both SoD and WT – this is an ultimatum.)
And yes, it will be lively.

P.S. Regarding Michurinsk, as far as I remember, the main reason for refusing to play was the mandatory entry fees, because it would have been possible to create a version of the game by agreement for SoD.

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