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Offline BA/IEHOK
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Initially, when the topic of streaming was just emerging, players who were streaming would ask their opponent if they were okay with it. At least, my opponents often asked me this. And I think this is the right approach... If the opponent is against it (for various reasons, there could be a million of them), then you shouldn't stream, that's all.
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Yes, I was actually streaming for friends and other viewers, so I didn't need these hints. On the contrary, the chat is distracting.

I'd like to hear the opinions of Pit, Stinger, Sevensan, Oelm, Dirty_Player, Lebron, and Hell Light as well.

Yes, of course, hints during streams and broadcasts do affect the overall gameplay, and sometimes significantly. Personally, I always enjoy fighting a strong opponent, and I haven't blamed anyone for streaming or broadcasting.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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Everything is correct, and over time, failing to notify the opponent has become commonplace, and one of the parties considered that the right to broadcast the game with the same person is exclusively their individual property. But in reality, it's not like that.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Offline Егор Коробейников
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Here's a situation to consider. Player A is playing against Player B in a tournament, and Player A is against Player B streaming or broadcasting the game. Does Player B have the right to publicly stream or broadcast the game? What is the current situation on the forum?
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I think that Pete presented the most sensible position on this issue: we need to create rules for broadcasts!
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Yegor Korobeynikov
Here's a situation. Player A is playing against Player B in a tournament, and Player A is against the stream or broadcast of Player B. Does Player B have the right to publicly stream or broadcast? What is the current situation on the forum?

What is RIGHT? Simply put, it means that no one can prohibit it, and any rights holder can use them, and everyone can force others to comply with them! As they say, every obligation has its rights, and vice versa.


The forum is not responsible for this and has no right to impose restrictions, as the act of broadcasting itself is subject to determining its possibility from the point of view of the rights holders (players, if they have not transferred their rights to other persons) to broadcast. The forum has no right to broadcast the game of any player (i.e., it has no right to force a player, for example, to show their game for free, because that is up to the player).
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Yegor Korobeynikov
Here's a situation to consider. Player A is playing against Player B in a tournament, and Player A is also watching Player B's stream or broadcast. Does Player B have the right to publicly stream or broadcast the game? What's the current situation on the forum?

I believe that Player B does not have the right to stream!
I'll explain the reason with a specific example: Mr. Gomunguls, being a player with higher skill, openly discusses moves in the chat with his team members (giving clearly useful advice and hints) while they are playing. Of course, someone might be against this situation. Here's the explanation.
I'm not against this, and as I understand it, the team isn't either. In fact, I've joined your broadcasts myself, openly, and as far as I can tell, you were okay with it. If you're interested, I'll share my broadcasts of tournament matches. I'll answer the question that might arise: I'm not posting them in the thread because I don't think my skill level is high enough; there's nothing to learn there.
You haven't posted the latest games in the thread, but you seem to have been broadcasting them "for your own." I'm not against it, but if, for example, it's against Shuk, I'll ask you not to broadcast or discuss it. Although, perhaps I don't know the rules well, or it's not described there, and it's allowed in team games....
But if I'm in a 1v1 tournament, I'll be against Vigo giving a broadcast to Vitalik (names are fictional), and I'll insist that there be no broadcast, no public one, none at all....
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Yegor Korobeynikov
Here's a situation. Player A is playing against Player B in a tournament, and Player A is against streaming or broadcasting Player B's game. Does Player B have the right to publicly stream or broadcast? What is the current situation on the forum?

And what position could there be here? Streaming can't be prohibited in any way, and the number of broadcasts can be given to several players personally; this cannot be monitored. The other question is how this stream should take place to minimize the possibilities for hints. Something needs to be done in this direction, and over time, some kind of condition will definitely be developed.
Although, as far as I know, in all games, streams are open, and if desired, the opponent can get important information from it for himself (especially regarding strategies).
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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What kind of situation could there be here? Streaming isn't prohibited, and you can give the stream number to several players personally; it's impossible to track that.
One Trojan is enough to know absolutely everything, down to every keystroke.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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What is a RIGHT? Simply put, it means that no one can prohibit it, and any holder of rights can exercise them, and everyone can enforce them against anyone! As they say, every obligation has its own rights, and vice versa.


The forum is not responsible for this and has no rights to impose restrictions, since the act of broadcasting itself is subject to determining its feasibility from the perspective of the rights holders (players, if they have not transferred their rights to others) regarding the broadcast. The forum has no rights to broadcast any player's game (i.e., it has no right to force a player, for example, to show their game for free, because this is the player's decision).
The forum has the right to count a tech loss or 0 result for a game if 1 of the players was against the broadcast, while the other broadcast publicly.
That's the thing — no one is going to force anyone...
Actually, I am in favor of broadcasts; sometimes there is no desire to play, but I really want to learn, give advice (just kidding), or simply watch. But since someone has encountered such a problem (even if the game is not part of tournaments or seasonal games of HeroesWorld), it would be better to play it safe and introduce corresponding rule amendments to the HeroesWorld regulations? So that no questions even arise.
Currently, there are no restrictions except — play fair?
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Offline R55Max
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Yegor, you are deeply mistaken. The main rules of the www.HeroesWorld.ru portal:
1. HeroesWorld users must comply with all applicable local, state, and international laws governing the internet.
It's not the forum that rules here, but the state law.
5. HeroesWorld prohibits the publication of prohibited, defamatory, malicious, or materials that violate someone's rights in accordance with current legislation.
The publication of materials that violate someone's rights can also be understood as showcasing a game with an opponent, as the violation of rights is a unilateral decision (without taking into account opposing views). That is, if you are for it and he is against it, and you do it your way, then you are violating his rights (50%).
6. HeroesWorld prohibits the publication of materials of an advertising nature from third-party internet resources that do not belong to the HeroesWorld community, any material objects, or intellectual works. The publication of links to sites that do not belong to the HeroesWorld community is prohibited (with the exception of sites related to the theme of Heroes of Might and Magic or Might and Magic and having a return link to the HeroesWorld main page, or sites for which the publication of links has been authorized by the administration).
In this case, the opponent's game is his intellectual work.
7. HeroesWorld prohibits the publication of any materials protected by copyright without the consent of the author of these materials to their publication.
This is the simplest and most decisive point. You can simply protect your work (games) with copyright, and no one will have the right to distribute games involving the copyright holder, either for free or for a fee.
15. The user who published them is solely responsible for all published materials and messages on HeroesWorld.
The forum is a platform, and you are the responsible person visiting it.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Offline Егор Коробейников
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>7. It is forbidden to publish any copyrighted materials on HeroesWorld without the consent of the author of said materials to publish them.

The author always has the right to publish... I can share my stream with whoever I want...
>5. It is forbidden to publish prohibited, defamatory, malicious, or infringing materials on HeroesWorld that violate current legislation.
Everything that happened in the game can be written in a report, which means a recording of the game can be attached to the report. What difference does it make if the player posts it as "tearing apart and humiliating" another player during or after the game?

>It is forbidden to publish links to websites that do not belong to the HeroesWorld community.

TeamViewer is not a website.

>I will answer a question that may arise: I am not posting in the topic because I do not think my level is high enough; there is nothing to learn there.

You are being modest, and I ask everyone:!!! If you are playing and see that no one is streaming, always create a stream; there are always people who are just interested in watching!!!

>I will explain the reason with a specific example: Mr. Gomunguls, being a player with higher skill, discusses moves (openly) with players on his team in the chat.
I told Vitaly that, like, don't give hints, it's obvious anyway, or watch how I can micromanage myself. (If you watched, even in very difficult battles for some players, I fight very quickly...) He gave a clear answer: I give general advice on the game and know the line between advice from a teammate and when a player starts playing for another...

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To: numOne. It is impossible to track unauthorized (unofficially published) streams in any way, and it is impossible to notice hints in them, so...
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Pit, I'm ready to finish the game any evening, but there's absolutely no contact with Matrosov. He doesn't show up on Skype, and when he does, he doesn't respond, unfortunately... I would be glad if someone who has connections with him could encourage him to finish the game. R55Max, I don't quite agree with your position. You've mixed up sports and the game, mainly for this reason. I did, of course, provide links to Maretti's streams, explained everything in English, and mentioned Vinzu. But I encountered some kind of Russophobia. He deviated from the links to HW, saying something like, "Pff, these are Russians..." At the moment, the conflict is resolved. We agreed that in the future, when playing with him, I will ask for permission to stream, which he will never give. The accusations against me have ended; thank you to all participants for expressing their opinions. P.S. I think Pit came up with a good idea regarding rules for streams.
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Offline Егор Коробейников
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Banning streams, money, copyright. You're moving in the right direction, comrades! :smile12:
Sash, I personally think that the rules should state whether streams are allowed or prohibited. Just close this issue. I think the most effective approach would be a vote, and 90% of the forum would be in favor of open streams and discussions about the games... Since they don't really bring much benefit. (I think the streams just distracted and hindered all the tournament finalists...)

As I already wrote - If you're playing and see that no one is streaming, create a stream; there are always people who are just interested in watching!!!
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