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I personally don't like Jeb, and I always eliminate him, without exception. I also think he's more random than the others.
Мой ник Heroes, и никто не вынесет меня
Скажу я вам, мои друзья.
Я некромант, я маг великий, и армия моя
Непобедимая, огромная!
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Can you pay with your hand?:D
Only if it's HellLight :D
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Dirty and Co., don't make me laugh. Jebus is just a poor template for fun. It's free, and it's enjoyable to play.
Jebus is a template with a different gameplay focus. As for the fact that there's a lot of free stuff – that's all relative.
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The average skill level has increased, so everyone performs roughly the same. And the influence of randomness on Jebus is huge. An average player has a much better chance of defeating a top player on Jebus than on a normal template.
What do you consider a normal template? XL+U or sm//balance?
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Everything said is true for XL+U templates.
XL+U has other problems that make you doubt its balance.
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But why bother? It's better to play Jebus, with practically no problems with setup (or money, in most cases). And there's a lot of free stuff, which is nice to collect.
People play Jebus in fun matches because it's possible to play it in one go.
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I can't seriously take the statement that Jebus is an indicator of skill. Although, if "Jebus is an indicator of skill on Jebus," then yes :D
You misunderstood my words. The fact that skill is visible on Jebus and the fact that a skilled player will win on Jebus are two completely different things.
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The fact that skill is visible on Jebus and that a skilled player will win on Jebus are two completely different things.

Performance on Jebus and overall skill are different things. You can have a cosmic rating on Jebus, but consistently perform poorly on the 8th map. Which of these scenarios is more indicative of skill, I think there's no need to argue.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Dirty_Player

Jebus is a template with a different gameplay focus.

That's what I'm talking about with this "different gameplay focus."

Imagine two trams, one blue and one red. The trams travel strictly along the tracks and meet at the depot. The red tram leaves first, but whoever arrives at the depot first and collects more passengers wins. That's all there is to Jebus. There are only 4 paths, 2 of which are used at the same time, and it rarely happens that you get to travel on the other two roads, but sometimes passengers demand a tour :D

Linear and boring in terms of gameplay.
Dirty_Player

The statement that there is a lot of "free stuff" is all relative.

And what is "little"?
Dirty_Player

And what, in your opinion, is a normal template? XL+U or?

In my opinion, a normal template is 8mm6. At the same time, it is highly desirable to play with a guild rebuild and a timer. The rest is not so important.

And, of course, the mirror match, I've played it several times, and I haven't had to complain about anyone but myself. Well, that's closer to ideal.
Dirty_Player

XL+U has other problems that raise doubts about its balance.
And are there many problems? Tell me, I haven't heard.
Dirty_Player

Jebus is played in fun matches because it is possible to play it in one go.

This is a problem of slow-wittedness with the favorite habit of moving the mouse around the screen without doing anything. The timer punishes for this. If you don't go into the current "high-quality game to show off" mode, but set a normal timer and don't stall, then everything can be played in one go.
Dirty_Player

You misunderstood my words. The fact that skill is visible in Jebus and that a skilled player will win in Jebus are not the same thing.

No questions
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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By the way, regarding playing until the very end, I was reminded of the final scene from Tarantino's movie "Four Rooms."
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Can you pay with your hand?:D
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Regarding Jebus, I'm a newbie and still learning the game. But I've noticed that the distribution has a stronger impact on the outcome than in other templates. I wondered how I could explain this. Here's my hypothesis: the location is a single area where goodies are scattered randomly. It might dump them in one end, or the other, or distribute them evenly. And if it dumps them near the roads or a few steps from the castle (passage), that's much better than if they end up somewhere random (so-called strategic location). The trick is that the starting location of Jebus is very large, so the way it distributes the items adds even more randomness to the distribution.
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Imagine two trams, a blue one and a red one. The trams run strictly on the rails and meet at the depot. The red tram departed first, but whoever arrives at the depot first and picks up more passengers is the winner. That's all there is to Jebus Cross. There are only 4 routes, 2 of which are used immediately; it rarely comes to riding on the other two roads, but it does happen that the passengers demand a tour :D
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Lider1, if only you or someone else could describe other templates just as clearly! :smile20:
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According to the statements of the international health academy, when the annual per capita alcohol consumption reaches 14 liters, an irreversible decline of the ethnic group and nation begins.

And in Russia, the officially recorded per capita alcohol consumption has already reached 18.5 liters (and this includes women and children under 5).

The people are simply dying out, "slowly," imperceptibly. Every year, Russia's population decreases by 1 to 3 million.

Officially, according to the latest census, there are 142 million of us. But in reality, it's 89 million—and this figure isn't pulled from thin air; it's official data from the Civil Registry Office of the Russian Federation, the organization that records all births and deaths.

Over the past 20 years, 40,000 villages have become empty, disappeared, and died out.

But from television screens, 24 hours a day, there's advertising and propaganda of "cultured" drinking. 24 hours a day, the minds of teenagers are attacked by advertisements for alcoholism, violence, cruelty, and debauchery. What child can resist?

In the slick NTV police series—the righteous, valiant guardians of law and order at the end of the film always "culturedly" drink or "culturedly" light up—thus creating a positive, attractive image of alcoholism and tobacco smoking in the minds of teenagers.

The people—the country is getting drunk en masse—I don't know, you'd have to be blind not to see it, or you'd simply have to not want to see it—pull the curtain and detach from reality, until the time when it doesn't personally affect me.

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In 1986, the regular army in the USSR was 8 million people; currently, it's been reduced to 500,000—that's not even enough to close the borders if necessary. And the internal security forces: the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the OMON, the OBNON, the MUR, the GRU, the FSB, and others—have been inflated, officially alone, to 4.5 million people. The salaries of all these structures were urgently raised several times over.

In no country in the world do internal agencies outnumber the regular army. So what are they preparing for? What are these guys sitting on Mount Zion in the Kremlin afraid of? Who are they preparing to fight if not the people in the event of mass uprisings (which are already happening in the Moscow region—but this is not publicized and is thoroughly hushed up)?

They are afraid that the people simply won't withstand the pressure from their side, so they're padding the Ministry of Internal Affairs and others, and raised their salaries so that the gentlemen police officers never, under any circumstances, take the people's side.

I am in no way calling for uprisings. In the event of mass uprisings, NATO troops would simply be urgently brought into Russian territory—which would even play into their hands. Plus, these guys would not hesitate to simply shoot a crowd of people.

During the revolution of 1917, people gathered in groups of 10 to 20 thousand—and they were all shot.

Drinking culturally is the same as stealing culturally.
One person asks another:
- Do you steal yourself?
- No! Of course not! Only on holidays, with friends, for company.

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Juvenile justice—a specialized tool created and implemented to destroy the institution of the family as such. Europe is already beginning to weep bitter tears over it.

Within the framework of juvenile justice, a law on the so-called "Gender self-determination" has already been adopted, which gives a child freedom in determining their sexual orientation and inclination. That is, children will be told: yes, you were born a boy, but if you feel like a girl, you have the right to become a girl, and that's perfectly normal—you shouldn't be ashamed of it.

And from television screens, tolerance towards faggots and lesbians is cultivated, convincing teenagers that this is perfectly normal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EG4owLLFBw - "Svetlana Kopylova song about Juvenile justice"

The family is a small church,
And home is my reliable stronghold,
But iron chains will soon
Be placed on families.
Under the guise of useful deeds,
With the help of Euro-measures
They are preparing a project of lawlessness –
To destroy the family from within.
It circles, circles like a bird of prey –
Juvenile justice!

Under the guise of child protection
They will enter our homes,
Turning children into scoundrels,
Teaching them to inform on adults.
You punish a child for a reason,
Even if you're a thousand times right, -
A phone call – and a "cooked up" Case
With the deprivation of parental rights.
It circles, circles like a bird of prey –
Juvenile justice!

Healthy and smart little children
Have long been awaited by America.
What is the Duma thinking about,
And who will save our children?
They have thought it all out finely:
To cover genocide with the law.
Give the child freedom in everything –
What family can withstand it?
It circles, circles like a bird of prey –
Juvenile justice!

Corruption, abortions, prohibitions
Become more accessible day by day,
But we won't find out about it –
They will keep all the children's secrets.
Parents will become enemies,
An obstacle to sweet pleasures,
And the commandment about honoring
Will only provoke laughter in teenagers.
It circles, circles like a bird of prey –
Juvenile justice!

In the West, our foundations
Have long been a thorn in their side.
Who is selling us and for how much –
No one wants to tell us.
Black clouds are gathering,
They are deciding our destinies without us…
Let's think about what we will get,
If we remain silent even now!
It circles, circles like a bird of prey –
Juvenile justice!

The Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Serbian, and other Slavic peoples are destined for the fate of the American Indians—who were long ago plied with alcohol and shoved into reservations, now shown to tourists like in a zoo.

All these population reduction measures match one-to-one and correspond to the Dulles plan (Harvard, Houston projects)—but of course, the plan doesn't exist; it's all random coincidences.

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Their main trump card is that people cannot believe that they are being so treacherously, massively, professionally, and in the literal sense, covertly destroyed.

You'd have to be blind not to see how the "theory of cultured drinking" has been gradually and purposefully implanted into our minds to slowly get us drunk. If they say day and night from the screens that drinking on holidays in company is normal, then sooner or later people (especially young people) will believe it.

Drinking cannot be cultured by definition!
Culture is something that brings benefit. Alcohol brings only momentary pleasure—for which you will later have to pay dearly.
90% of all crimes are committed under the influence of alcohol during the dark hours.

Before the revolution, Russia was the least drinking country in the world, along with India and Muslim countries.

Alcoholism is not our national trait at all. They're lying, the dogs. The Russian man has always been the most sober and clear-minded. So why did he suddenly, out of the blue, start drinking obsessively????????????

Our stupidity and blindness lies in the fact that we do not believe that we are being deliberately destroyed.

Those who think that the people, the youth, are becoming corrupt and drinking themselves to death on their own, and that no one is helping them in this, let them answer the question: why didn't the people drink themselves to death on their own before the revolution? Why was there practically no drug addiction before the revolution, but now the army of drug addicts numbers 10 million! It's already too late to sound the alarm; we need at least to protect our own children from this.
Дурман мирской любви сильнее яда кобры, он глупым может сделать мудреца и увести от цели благородной и дух и волю война храбреца.
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Our stupidity and blindness lie in the fact that we don't believe we are being deliberately destroyed.
You forgot to write the last word in this sentence - "Jews", then your thought would be considered complete :) Well, in general, we have already discussed all this, maybe it's time to launch a new threat.
"Шанс есть всегда, но не везде." ;)
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I suggest a universal key-solution for all of Ariputra's posts.
http://freakopedia.ru/wiki/Заглавная_страница - this is Freakopedia, an encyclopedia of pseudoscience. Here, scientists, in an accessible and entertaining way, debunk all the delusions of mankind. If you're too lazy to look for an answer to Ariputra's next nonsense, just provide a link to the corresponding article.
The latest material from the orbit of the elephant is dedicated to sobriology http://freakopedia.ru/wiki/Собриология
Enjoy reading.
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I suggest a universal key-lockpick for all of Ariputra's posts.
http://freakopedia.ru/wiki/Заглавная_страница is a freakopedia, an encyclopedia of pseudoscience. Here, scientists, in an accessible and fun way, debunk all the delusions of mankind. If you are too lazy to look for an answer to another nonsense from Ariputra, just give a link to the corresponding article.
The latest material from the orbit of the elephant is dedicated to sobriology http://freakopedia.ru/wiki/Собриология
Enjoy reading.

So, does that mean Ariputra is making everything up? What about the astronauts' testimonies?:smile39:
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Jebus is just a poorly made template, purely for fun. It offers a lot of free stuff and is enjoyable to play.

I agree, HL+U is better in all aspects except for real-time gameplay, especially with the current time limit. For example, you can easily plan a game on 6LM10 to last around 12 hours, while JC won't take more than 6-7 hours.
And I won't even mention the balance issues, panics, and CMs. It's just
Lider1
a poorly made template
and there's not much fun to be had there.

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it's still fun to play for the sake of anarchy, and I personally like mini-maps...
For competitive play, nothing better than Mirror or fixed maps has been devised yet.
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So, does it turn out that Ariputra is just making things up? What about the astronauts' testimonies?:smile39:
Of course not – there's a conspiracy among so-called scientists who are benefiting from the system and preventing true knowledge from emerging. Remember, for example, the statement made by the Paris Academy of Sciences about meteorites: "Stones cannot fall from the sky!":
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Roger DAltavilla, thank you for the link!
Denying scientific data, a crank considers their opinion to be the only correct one...
Psychics, healers, magicians, and other charlatans – the list of swindlers is constantly growing.
However, it should be understood that pseudoscience is not philosophy, religion, fiction, or humor...
It has transformed from a marginal field into a well-organized force with considerable financial resources. Websites and online communities are dedicated to the activities of scientific cranks. There is even a commission of the Russian Academy of Sciences to combat pseudoscience. However, in all cases, the focus is usually on individual facts.
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