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Posts from HoMM3 HD is a mod (add-on) for the game Heroes of Might and Magic 3.
Yeah, that's obvious, password-protected saves will still win the argument between HD and HD+, it's just interesting what prompted this change with level 2. Maybe it would have been worth at least polling people to see if they need it or not.
Um... I guess I missed something, are password-protected saves only available in HD+? If so, that seems a bit illogical.
Dima Surmay
13 years ago
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The bad news is that in HD+, you can set up a second-level building (
now, before each game, we'll have to discuss with the opponent how we're going to set it up, and how... already, someone will probably enable this option in a tournament, and the other person won't even know... they would never agree to have dwarves built on their side, while the opponent has air units. Now, because of these changes, I'll have to keep an eye on what else you change, so that I don't end up in a losing situation due to ignorance, and I'm too lazy... I want to play one game, not its clones.
Oelm
13 years ago
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[-] (author - Sav) original bugs: excessive castle and neutral zones in Random Map Generation (RMG), crash when removing magical obstacles with a spell, incorrect spell chances for the Dragon spell, failure to reset visited status of map objects, incorrect AI calculation of hero luck when evaluating the value of increasing luck, incorrect wisdom and magic levels for the Elementalist, incorrect display of attack with stack bonuses in combat. [+] (author - Sav) in player cities, if a fort is present, 2 levels of creatures will always be built, and in neutral cities, 1 level.
Could you elaborate on this (the part in the first section)?
Regarding the second point. Baratorch, this is usually done in a different way. Let's say, like it was done in Warlords Tactics. One or more key individuals come up with the idea, and then they develop a package of gameplay changes. This is then discussed by the community, somehow filtered, and then implemented and tested. If you introduce these changes in small portions, firstly, people will get tired of constantly having to readjust their thinking, because such changes will inevitably affect the game's tactics, and there is a risk that after certain particularly unsuccessful changes, there will be a desire to abandon the new developments.
It's always easier to simply add functionality than to add functionality plus an option. What appeared in 3.26 is not the final version. I don't see anything terrible in this.
That's not how things should be done. Couldn't they have just not added anything at all, but instead brought things to completion and then released it? Or did the situation with Quick Battle not teach them anything? Your question is only about whether it's easier or not. What's the point of this? Is it just to annoy Sav or someone else who is far removed from online play, or to play with the opinions of the players? I'm playing (or was playing) in the current tournament on 3.25, and I've already updated without even looking. And in that version, whether the second level is built or not significantly affects the gameplay. And now what? I was only interested in passwords before. baratorch
Moreover, how can it be worse than, say, the creatures of levels 2-6 in the refugee camps, or the lack of the quick battle bug that exists in HD+? In my opinion, it's much less terrible...
Well, with the same logic, they could have added a built guild of mages, or even the third level, and in general, anything they wanted - what's so terrible about that, since HD+ will be available to both players? It's not right to impose experimental changes and act like you're the boss. People trust you. You know a lot about programming, but you're far removed from setting tasks for online tournaments. baratorch
I find it very funny on this forum lately. I read every few posts: "Make the second level buildable, just do it!", they did it, and now: "Oh, what a nightmare, why did you do that!", what the heck.
Honestly, there's no need to make fun of people. It might even create the impression that this was done specifically for the purpose of amusement. And there's no need to exaggerate, as we all remember and know what everyone said. And it's not that far off. But do you remember, and did you communicate with these people or others about how to do it better? baratorch
And? Will it be impossible to play? I didn't even expect HD+ to be allowed in pure SoD tournaments, because it's already a slightly different game, and without changes to the initial city build order.
In principle, yes. It's already impossible to play, as I wrote above. HD+ was used for passwords, and Quick Battle... they haven't been able to fix it for seven years, and there wasn't a famine. Dear baratorch, if that's the case, then move the password system to HD, because it doesn't affect the gameplay. And do whatever you want with HD+. And impose whatever you want there.
Dear baratorch, since you insist, please implement password protection in HD – as it doesn't affect the gameplay. And do whatever you want with HD+. And impose whatever you want there.
+1. Indeed, dear sir, please add passwords to HD; it's very comfortable to have that option :) and leave HD+ for experiments :smile08:
+1. Indeed, sir, please implement password protection in HD; it makes the experience much more comfortable with that option :) and we'll leave HD+ for experiments :smile08:
another +1
Password protection for saves should be available, and probably necessary, in the basic HD version.
Regarding the building of level 2 structures, the current system is absurd. It should be available in neutral towns, and in your own towns, it should either be random or an optional choice (this needs to be discussed).
And, by the way, what about tracking the time each player spends on their turn? To identify "lag"... Is it impossible to implement?
...I kept reading in every tenth post, "make the outpost level 2, just do it!", I did it, and then, "oh, what a nightmare, why did you do that!"...
Regarding level 2. In one case, you specifically restart the game to get it. And in another case, it's completely unnecessary; even if it appears randomly, I don't buy it (for example, with Dwarves). It will only result in a small saving of resources and 1 day. In Tournaments, this can be critical; in other cases, it's just grinding. In Heroes, randomness is very important – the appearance of morale, luck, damage range, random resources, artifacts, guards, monsters in refugee camps, spells, skills, etc. The probability of one random event is higher, another is lower, but at the most inappropriate moment, according to Murphy's Law, that 1% bad random event may occur. It's not worth touching this function and catering to those who want all their starting heroes to be level 99 with legions of Chaos Dragons, while their opponents only have level 1 heroes with a single Imp.
Scorpiona
13 years ago
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HD+: [-] in the player's cities, if a Fortress is present, creatures are always built up to level 2, and in neutral cities - up to level 1.
Oops, I updated it and then read this... Please revert it to how it was!!!!!!!!! Looks like the debate has already started...
Question: If I've already updated, where can I get the previous version 3.25 back?
Yeah... Dear friends... your comrade wrote: baratorch
that what appeared in 3.26 is not the final version.
and where are all the grateful people now?? They instantly turned into critics. Facepalm. Baratorch, join the WoG team, your work won't be appreciated here...:D JustObserver
I'm also interested in this question; I wouldn't mind sticking with version 3.25
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So, what were the grateful people supposed to say? The decision is clearly controversial, and it's not at all clear why it was made, and the boss is even explaining it as "I decided to do it – deal with it."
All that needed to be said was, "Yes, I'll think about it; this isn't the final version," and there would be fewer complaints.
Read the tone in which this was said, read it above... The person isn't afraid, he's experimenting to make the game a little better, more convenient, without changing the gameplay! He's trying for your sake in the end... if it weren't for him and other developers, we'd still be manually passing artifacts and troops between eight heroes on four minutes!!!!
Question: if I've already updated, where can I get version 3.25 back?
I'm also interested in this question; I wouldn't mind staying on version 3.25.
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Yeah... Dear colleagues, the person already wrote to you.
And where did all the grateful people go? They instantly turned into detractors. Facepalm. Baratorch, switch to the WT team; your efforts won't be appreciated here. :D
So, what were the grateful people supposed to say? The decision is clearly controversial, and it's not at all obvious why it was made, and the boss is even explaining it as "I decided to do it – deal with it."
All that needed to be said was, "Yes, I'll think about it; this isn't the final version," and there would have been fewer complaints.
HD+: [-] in the player's cities, if a Fortress is present, there are always 2 levels of creatures built, and in neutral cities - 1 level.
Oops, I updated it and then read this... please revert it to how it was!!!! I see the debate is already in full swing...
Question: if I've already updated, where can I get the previous version .3.25 back from...?
HD3_Backup.exe in the Heroes game folder will revert it to the previous version.
baratorch
13 years ago
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Scorpiona, [-] - this means it has been removed.
I didn't understand, where should I revert it to?
If you want it to be like in the regular SoD, like in 3.25, i.e., a 30% chance for a player-built level 2 dwelling and a 100% chance for a level 2 neutral dwelling, then everything is fine, use 3.27.
If you need a 100% chance for a player-built level 2 dwelling and a 0% chance for a level 2 neutral dwelling, like in 3.26, download the full installer for 3.26 from the website. If 3.26 was already installed (it doesn't matter whether it was as an update or not), just run HD3_Backup.exe from the game folder.
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Oh well... what were the plans!...
It's good that the picture became clear at the very beginning, otherwise, I would have had a hard time.
+1. Indeed, sir, please add passwords to HD, it's very comfortable to feel with such an option, and let's leave HD+ for experiments.
There will be no more experiments. Thank you, I've already experimented.
dnaop-wr
13 years ago
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Speaking of those who appreciate and criticize. I'm actually expressing my opinion about those who demand something from Baratorch. He's the one putting in the effort, while others take advantage of it for free and are still dissatisfied afterwards, complaining that he didn't do it right.
Yeah... Dear colleagues... your comrade wrote to you... and where did all the grateful people go?? They instantly turned into detractors. Facepalm. Baratortch, switch to the VT team, your efforts won't be appreciated here...
You'll get dazed by sweet words. But a dose of good criticism always stimulates. And the guy is still working on it. And you, go ahead and evaluate Baratortch's work - with regular monthly payments. This is HoMM3 HD 3.25f But let's hope that the author will change everything soon.