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What a bad opinion you have of him; I thought you would apologize to him, not confirm it... (I'm afraid I can't answer your question because I don't have direct evidence; I haven't spoken to him personally to confirm this. Nevertheless, his biography shows that at some point in his life, he had a positive reaction to his sister's plans for monastic life. He was a member of the so-called Jansenists, who downplayed the role of man in some matters and said that God's role in his life was particularly great. He openly argued with the Jesuits, saying that they were not demanding enough in terms of human morality, that they attracted people to the church but did not care about their religiosity, although they should. If he was insincere in all of this, if it was all for show, then... This is not only extremely offensive to this person, but it is also at least implausible.)

Lord, so many words and such far-reaching reflections, when just three would suffice: he believed in God. Your insistence on the word "hypocrisy" could have had one basis – that Pascal was a religious man, which is what I intended to verify. At the moment the post was deleted, I was wondering if you knew this – then honor and praise, or it was simply a misinterpretation of words, actions, and so on. And here is that post, as promised: True, the news turned out to be bad for me =)
Because it turned out that mathematics and faith are compatible, in Pascal's case, which I couldn't even imagine, and that was the only possible meaning of the word "hypocritical." So I was wrong in my interpretation of Pascal's words. But that doesn't mean his words are appropriate. Because his statements and assumptions are equivalent to a child's game, the well-known problem from elementary school, where it was proven that 4 equals 3 or 5, violating mathematical rules.

Oelm, Bloody, Lim4, Ment, favio, Siverfale: no problem, stick to your opinion. it is impossible to prove anything to someone who does not want to believe. I will simply continue to write about what I know, what interests me, without engaging in polemics or pointless arguments with anyone.

Oelm, Bloody, Lim4, Ment, favio, Siverfale

But I didn't say anything! Although it seems implausible and clearly requires original scientific articles in English to confirm it, because the only more or less reliable source is ;)
B100dy, I understand, no more questions, thank you.

I will simply continue to write about what I know and find interesting, without engaging in polemics or pointless arguments with anyone.

What you write is not something you personally know; it's just information you found on the internet, and as they say, you can find anything on the internet. Everything you try to discuss here has no personal relevance to you, although, in principle, your rambling doesn't bother anyone and might even be entertaining, so we'll wait for new sensational statements, generously spiced with photoshopped images.

Is it a ghost, or is Lenin's body actually showing signs of life?

The thing is, two years ago, a mysterious video appeared on the internet, filmed inside the Mausoleum, where Lenin's body is displayed for public viewing. In the video, the leader, lying in the sarcophagus, raises his left hand, stretches his entire body forward, and falls back down.

Initially, the video didn't cause much of a stir. It was dismissed as a simple montage and special effects by the skeptical online community. However, the video ended up in the hands of American researchers who had been searching for evidence to support numerous reports that the ghosts of former Russian rulers roam the Kremlin, with Lenin's ghost being the most "common."

"We were amazed by the results. Our specialists couldn't find even a hint of photo manipulation: no layering, retouching, or insertion of frames. Moreover, the frame numbers and the time "running" at the top of the screen perfectly match the standards used by the cameras in the Mausoleum."

The footage was taken late at night by a surveillance camera (at 7 seconds). The video shows the leader, lying in the sarcophagus, suddenly raising his left hand, stretching his entire body forward, and falling back down. One long-time Kremlin resident, who asked to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, stated that for the Kremlin's inhabitants, there is nothing surprising about Lenin's body showing signs of life. Since his death, dozens of employees, from cleaners to ministers, have seen him wandering around the Kremlin at night...

Ment,
Or maybe I have a question =)
And look how interesting it turned out. I wrote it myself, but I didn't pay attention to it; a great mathematician makes assumptions equivalent to those in a problem involving division by zero. Based on this, he draws rather serious conclusions about faith, which were supposed to convince the masses in some way. In my understanding, a good mathematician could not have failed to notice this, or in other words, he consciously ignored them to obtain the desired result. So, is he a hypocrite after all?

It's written very strangely; if it weren't for your first post on this topic, I wouldn't have understood anything. No, he's not a hypocrite, because the calculations were initially based on the finiteness of the probabilities of one outcome or another; he didn't even consider any other possibilities, because they clearly don't apply in this case (or, to avoid arguing unnecessarily, as I foresee this pointless debate, they don't apply in Pascal's mind).

I could really use some of that herb, guys. Could you spare some?

Ment,
I wrote it quite clearly in the very first post. Let me explain: he took two probabilities, a small one and a large one. In the first case, he multiplied the large one by a small number (which symbolized the gain in the event of the first assumption), and in the second case, he multiplied the small probability by an infinitely large number (which symbolized the redemption of sins and eternal life).
Then, we figure out that he is a Christian. I'm not very good at interpreting things (maybe someone will correct me), but it's obvious to me that God accepts everyone, even those who don't believe in him. Right? Also, if I don't believe, but I follow normal human principles in life, then I won't go to hell either. It turns out that the bonuses that Pascal put on the second scale to achieve a tipping point, he should also put on the first scale. And he couldn't not know this.

And he didn't do that, in other words, he consciously fabricated the conditions that gave him the desired result. That's why the question was asked: isn't he a hypocrite? - because such an outstanding mathematician could not fail to understand the limits of his own assumptions in the bet.

RiMpel2
We should have guessed that we were taking herbs from Ariputra

Oelm, Bloody, Lim4, Ment, favio, Siverfale:
no problem, stick to your opinion.
you can't prove anything to someone who doesn't want to believe it.

Said the person who still thinks I'm a clone:rolleyes:

Are you guys seriously taking Pascal seriously?)) It's just satire about Christianity. People turn to religion because it's beneficial, including from the perspective of game theory. For 2000 years, Christianity was the main power in Europe. Now it's just a large commercial organization, a business.

Ment,
In the very first post...

That's exactly what I wrote, that I only understood the meaning thanks to the first post. I explained everything.
Rimp, you know I always have a cup of green tea on my desk.

but it's obvious to me that God accepts everyone, even those who don't believe in him. Is that right? So, if I don't believe, but in life I follow normal human principles, then I won't go to hell either.

Ah, these are new arguments. When Jesus was asked which commandment was the most important, the answer was something like this:
"You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
With the first commandment, in the case of atheism, things are not good, and with the second... Theoretically, it's possible, but without observing the first, it's ten times more difficult, and according to official dogmas, it won't be enough; without observing the first, most important commandment, it is impossible to be saved. That's one thing. And the second thing is, let's not forget that Pascal was a Jansenist; he simply couldn't imagine that the second commandment could be observed without the first. If I understand correctly, this is their fundamental difference from other Christian denominations. So, it turns out that in his judgments, he was absolutely sincere.

Those who do not believe end up in Limbo if they lived a decent life. This is the first circle of Hell.

Alright, I'll try to lay out my vision.
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Oelm, well, you're as predictable as always! :)

Since when are the testimonies I provided fake, and deliberately at that?
Come on, provide scientific proof of the deliberate falsity of at least one testimony I provided!

Regarding you, I have two options:

1) You are either just a blind person, unaccustomed to thinking about the nature of things and the events happening around you, with a strong spirit of mindless protest.

2) Or you are a Jew who is perfectly aware of the Dulles Plan, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and the Shulchan Aruch. A Jew who plays dumb, pretending to know nothing about the protocols, the Dulles plan, and the Shulchan Aruch – a practical guide to action for Jews worldwide.
You are acting exactly as described in the Protocols, in the Shulchan Aruch – you play the fool, make wide eyes, pretend you don't understand. You deny inconvenient facts without any evidence.

You say there is no Dulles Plan, no Protocols of the Elders of Zion – but then why? is everything written there being implemented point by point in all countries of the world, and in Russia in particular.

You say the Dulles plan was falsified and attributed to him, in order to recruit new members for the club fighting global conspiracies!

And everything described in this Dulles plan – was implemented point by point, and continues to be implemented at this very moment – also to attract new recruits?

YOU say this plan was attributed to Allen Dulles, and was taken from, based on the novel "The Eternal Call"! But then please answer the question: the publication date of the "Allen Dulles Plan" and the publication date of the novel "The Eternal Call"?

And then you claim that anyone can become a Jew by undergoing the rite of initiation – circumcision! But you don't write anything about having to give up certain moral principles and become a cannibal! You also don't write anything about the fact that pure-blooded Jews don't even consider their own half-blood brothers as human, let alone all non-Jews – two-legged animals as they say, and use them as consumable material.
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Allen Dulles (1893-1969) worked at the CIA USA from its creation in 1947. In 1942-1945, he headed political intelligence in Europe. CIA Director from 1953 to 1961. Ideologist of the Cold

War, one of the organizers of intelligence activities against the USSR and other socialist countries.

" - The war will end, everything will settle down and sort itself out. And we will throw everything we have: all our gold, all our material power, into stupefying and fooling people!

- The human brain, people's consciousness are capable of change. By sowing chaos there, we will imperceptibly replace their values with false ones and make them believe in these false values. How? We will find our

like-minded people, our allies, within Russia itself.

- Episode by episode, a grandiose tragedy of the destruction of the most rebellious people on earth, the final and irreversible extinction of its self-awareness, will be played out. For example, from art and literature we will gradually eradicate its social essence; we will unteach artists and writers – we will discourage them from depicting and investigating those processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theaters, cinema – everything will depict and glorify the basest human feelings.

- We will in every way support and elevate so-called artists who will instill and drill into human consciousness the cult of sex, violence, sadism, betrayal – in short, all IMMORALITY. In state governance, we will create chaos and confusion.

- We will imperceptibly, but actively and constantly, promote the tyranny of officials, the flourishing of bribe-takers and unprincipledness. Bureaucracy and red tape will be elevated to virtues. Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and become unnecessary to anyone, turning into a relic of the past. Boorishness and insolence, lies and deceit, drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, betrayal, nationalism and enmity among peoples – above all, enmity and hatred towards the Russian people – all this we will skillfully and imperceptibly cultivate, all this will flourish in full bloom.

And only a few, very few, will guess or even understand what is happening. But we will put such people in a helpless position, turn them into a laughingstock, find a way to slander them and declare them the dregs of society. We will tear out spiritual roots, vulgarize and destroy the foundations of popular morality.

We will thus shake generation after generation. We will get to people from childhood, from their youth, and we will always place our main bet ON YOUTH – we will begin to decompose, corrupt, and deprave it. We will turn them into cynics, vulgar people, and cosmopolitans. This is how we will do it!"

A. Dulles.
"Reflections on the Implementation of the American Post-War Doctrine Against the USSR", 1945
(Oelm, please remind me what year the novel "The Eternal Call" was written?)
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Isn't it obvious? that everything described in the Dulles plan has been and is being implemented now in Russia?

1) Industry (the largest factories are in ruins, stopped), economy, agriculture, medicine, education have been destroyed;

2) From TV screens every day, the cult of sex, violence, sadism is being imposed;

3) The people are being plied with alcohol, set against each other, corrupted, their culture destroyed.

Isn't all this obvious?
And you, dear Oelm, play the fool, knowing perfectly well about the plan and the protocols, and you act precisely – exactly as described in the Shulchan Aruch!

Given that Ariputra has been trained to be negative towards Jews, I'll provide a link to a site for anyone interested in learning something about Judaism for themselves. www.toldot.ru

Given that Oelm has been trained to play the fool, make wide eyes and a sincere, honest, understanding face, trained to deny obvious facts – without proof (isn't it obvious that the people, the youth are being destroyed by alcohol, drug addiction, and debauchery?). I'll provide a link to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, to the Allen Dulles Plan, the English version, to the Shulchan Aruch(BOMB, MUST SEE), in which it is written in black and white that – Jews are the only God-chosen nation created to rule over others, and all other non-Jews are two-legged animals, subhumans, worse than animals.

Let people figure out for themselves whether this looks like the truth or whether it's all fiction and slander against poor, white, and fluffy harmless Jews. Let people figure out for themselves if they are victims of slander or the executioners of this world.

Oelm, are you by any chance a Jew?

Yes, I've had those suspicions for a long time.

Listening to him, poor defenseless Jews are constantly being slandered, lied about, and defamed.

Who and why constantly wants to tarnish the bright name of the Jews? Who has taken such a baseless dislike to them and why? Why were they expelled at various times from Spain, France, Russia, and many other countries?
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In the Bible of the Essenes, in the Bible of Origen, in the Bible of Christ, you can read what Christ says to the scribes and Pharisees, the Jews: "You are children of the devil, and your father is Satan."

What nonsense is this? {facepalm} Tell me, what is the primary attribute? Why do we need to see or touch atoms? Why do we need to prove their existence? The atom, like everything named by man, exists BY DEFINITION. The term was originally conceived to denote an object. If the object in reality has slightly different properties than originally thought, this does not affect the existence of the object, in this case the atom. Let me give an example: initially, it was thought that the law of gravity meant that all objects except for various stars/Suns were attracted to the Earth (maybe I'm exaggerating, but the point isn't the exact wording, so let's assume that for now). Then smart people realized that gravitational forces act on all macroscopic objects. So the law of gravity turned out to be different. Now the question: did we need to see, hear, or smell it to say that it exists? No. We perfectly determined its existence by indirect signs. The law of gravity itself was defined incorrectly, but we knew it existed. The same goes for atoms, microparticles, ourselves, and our planet. All these objects may turn out to be not at all what we think due to the current state of science and the limitations of our thinking in principle. But they definitely exist, no matter what we mean by these terms.

Dear Ment :) unfortunately you misunderstood me again.

I wasn't talking about the very fact of the atom's existence (confirmation of the existence of this elementary particle – is in the holy scriptures, so I have no doubt about its existence)

The word Atom comes from the Sanskrit Atma – literal translation – soul (in the Puranas the soul is called atma). This word – Atma – can be found in the Rig Veda, Sama Veda, Yajur Veda, and Atharva Veda – written down more than 5000 years ago (which is confirmed by the carbon dating method).

But I wasn't even talking about that, I was talking about the fact that we accept 99% of information on faith (without proof).

In (school, from TV screens, in scientific literature) we were told: that smart people, experts in the field of science, conducted experiments, and as a result of these experiments, based on indirect signs, concluded that there exists some particle – which they named the atom! And we accepted this on faith! Without proof! Proofs undoubtedly exist, but no one told us about them, we ourselves did not verify these experiments, we did not delve into the essence and details of these experiments, we simply believed in it!.

Now for playing Heroes with Ariputra, everyone will need a new firewall to catch the heretic, blessed by a priest.

Well, a firewall already existed in the past, it was called the Inquisition – a secret religious police (like the NKVD, FSB – today's). It was like the secret police, eliminating all people undesirable to the state regime.
Accusing them of everything imaginable.

It is known, for example, that Christians – followers of Christ who cultivated vegetarianism for religious reasons – had molten lead poured down their throats, because the rulers of that time absolutely refused to accept this idea, and it simply didn't fit into the dominant ideas being spread by the state under the guise of Christianity.

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Do you want to organize something similar on HeroesWorld, and become the ideological leader of this structure?

Sorry, but you're a bit late, the AK has already been established a long time ago and is functioning successfully!

Don't insult Pascal, he is not at all two-faced, as you wrote about him. And I respect him very much.

What else can they do but resort to personal attacks? They simply have no other arguments left to support their point of view, well, if they allow themselves this.

Regarding the photos posted by Ariputra, what can I say? 1 of them is 100% fake, because I saw a documentary about it and the scandal around it – it involved the tarnished reputation of "National Geographic" and a bit of Photoshop (the author himself confessed and repented), if desired, I'll find the link. I can't say about the others, but I suspect something similar, although in principle I am not a supporter of the theory: "there never were any giants, because they didn't exist and couldn't have existed!!!!!111". If you give adequate links to the authenticity of at least one of the other photos, then, well, I'll believe (it/them)...

Regarding the photo with skeletons, it's 100% Photoshop, and there's even no need to prove anything; if these skeletons exist, they should be not only in the photo but also present somewhere else, at least in archaeological museums or some other scientific repositories, analogous to the remains of mammoths or prehistoric reptiles/dinosaurs. Oh yes, this fact is hidden from humanity because it was these giants who threw poor elephants into orbit

Since I shouldn't believe in the existence of Australia, I also don't plan to believe in five-meter giants and a Jewish conspiracy.

Photoshop? Well, try to make such a Photoshop. Where is at least one 100% proof that this is Photoshop? Where does it follow, where is it visible that this is Photoshop? Proofs, please!

Why, interestingly, such protest against the simple possibility of the existence of huge people – giants in the past? Maybe because it simply doesn't correspond to our ideas? Maybe because we are bombarded day and night from TV screens?

These photographs, testimonies existed even before Photoshop!
Giant skeletons of enormous sizes are found by the thousands all over the world (And if it weren't for cremation, there would be many times more)!

Don't you understand that entire institutes work to create a scientific basis to convince us that none of this exists and never did! Huge television and radio corporations work to convince us that nothing like this ever happened, that modern man is the crown and king of nature, to brainwash us, to support and strengthen our ignorance (unknowing), to make us donkeys obediently following a carrot to the cliff they want.

But if you don't believe in all this, that's your problem.

Then we evaluate, evidence for the existence of God – there is none

haha, do you seriously think there is no evidence for the existence of God? For a reasonable person, there are millions, if not billions. Everything speaks about this.

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Once a friend came to Newton and saw on his desk a small mechanical model of the solar system. He asked Newton who made this wonderful model. To which Newton replied that it made itself, by itself. His friend was indignant, how could such a complex mechanical model form by itself? To which Newton replied, then how could such a complex, harmonious structure as the universe form by itself?
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Earlier, Ment wrote that if there is a definition, then there is also an object that it describes, and this is indeed the case!
If there were no God, then such a concept would not exist!

But for those who do not want to believe, God gives oblivion.
Atheism is also a form of perceiving God, through his denial! If he didn't exist, there would be nothing to deny!

So as it turned out, mathematics and faith are compatible, in Pascal's case, which I couldn't even conceive of, and this was the only appropriate use of the word "two-faced". So I was wrong in my interpretation of Pascal's words.

There are atheists for whom mathematics and logic are an authoritative tool for the truth or falsehood of any statement.
Vedic mathematics and the laws of Nyaya (logic) exist, specifically designed to prove to atheists the fallacy of their beliefs, in order to eliminate the main cause of all our suffering – atheism, ignorance (unknowing).

Mathematics and Faith in God are more than compatible; all outstanding or simply well-known scientific figures were – deeply religious people. And they saw no contradiction in this.

Nicolaus Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes Kepler, Galileo Galilei, Rene Descartes, Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Gregor Mendel, William Thomson Kelvin, Max Planck, Albert Einstein – and many other outstanding scientists were deeply religious people.

http://www.blagovestnik.org/books/00396.htm - "We Believe... 53 Modern Famous Scientists Speak about Faith in God"

But I didn't say anything! Although it looks implausible and clearly requires original scientific articles in English for confirmation, because the only moderately reliable source

And based on what do you judge plausibility? Based on your established ideas? Or based on the official dominant "scientific" point of view? Is that the main criterion?
I do not have testimonies in English, but does that mean they don't exist at all? You need to search. In the book "The Hidden History of the Human Race", there are plenty of scientific articles (this book, by the way, is also available in English), it contains a huge amount of archaeological evidence, a huge number of testimonies about giant-sized skeletons all over the world. Please read this book, just to broaden your horizons, plus there you will be able to find scientific articles in English.

We simply cling to our own ideas about reality (and it doesn't matter to us that they may be erroneous, the main thing is that they are ours, our own dear ones).

What you are writing about is not known to you personally, but dug up on the internet, and on the internet, as in Greece, there is everything. Everything you are trying to discuss here has no personal relation to you, although in principle your chatter doesn't bother anyone and even the opposite, so we will wait for new sensational statements, richly seasoned with Photoshop

And what is known to you, who personally dug it up? Isn't the reason simply that what I'm writing about doesn't fit into your understanding? Doesn't match your understanding of reality?
You're right, on the internet there is everything: truth, fiction, and deception – but why do you accept one thing without demanding any proof and not another? Isn't it simply because something matches your past established experience and something else does not!?

Why do you deceive yourself and others? If you hear something that matches your understanding, your past experience, your ideas about reality – you immediately accept it – without proof.

At the time these photos of skeletons were dated, Photoshop did not exist in nature. Besides the photos, there are eyewitness accounts all over the world, from ordinary people just like us. Why would they lie? Or perhaps they all have a criminal conspiracy to convince us that people used to be taller? Even if so, why would they do that?

A ghost or is Lenin's body showing signs of life?

When we approach a mirror, who do we see? Ourselves!? Or a gross physical body in which the soul resides – the living entity itself?

According to the statements of Vedic literature, the Koran, the Bible, Buddhist Sutras, and other holy scriptures: the soul – the living entity itself – is located in the shell of the subtle material body (mental body), the mental body is located inside the gross physical body, which can be seen, touched.

With the death of the body, the life of the soul does not end.
Death is the process when the soul in the shell of the subtle body permanently leaves the gross physical body.
Sleep – is reality on the subtle plane – the process when the soul in the shell of the subtle body temporarily leaves the gross physical body, and then returns to it.

When a person dies a violent death (murder, suicide, accident), the soul in the subtle body leaves the gross physical body – and lives out the time it was destined to live as a human in the subtle material body – as a so-called ghost.

So-called ghosts (a living entity – a soul that has a subtle body but no gross body) are more than reality!
The subtly material world, unmanifest to our sight, teems with various living entities (souls just like us) but located in subtle bodies, and not having gross physical bodies.

I should have guessed that we are getting grass from Ariputra

Bold, unprincipled lie, I'm not giving him any more, I have very little left myself :D

Are you guys seriously taking Pascal?)) It's a mockery of Christianity.

I took him seriously.
And I didn't see any mockery of Christian ideas in his thoughts.
He's just trying to hint that ultimately, being a believer, a religious person is more beneficial, including from a material point of view.

The amount of suffering in our lives is directly proportional to our godlessness.

People go to religion because it's profitable, including from the point of view of game theory))

4 categories of people tend to turn to God ("go into religion"):

1) those who suffer;
2) those in need;
3) the curious;
4) those seeking absolute truth;

All these motives can be present simultaneously, but one of them will prevail in any case.

Material benefit is just one of the motives from which people turn to God to solve their problems.

And there is no hypocrisy in this (a person has certain desires and turns to God for their fulfillment). In the early stages of spiritual self-realization, when a person is a neophyte, a beginner – this is even encouraged (such a motive – material gain).
Because if a person has such a desire (some material gain), it's better for him to turn to God to solve his problem, rather than try to solve his problem himself.
Since God is a perfect personality – consequently, he can solve all our problems in a much more perfect way than we can ourselves. But this does not mean that we ourselves should be idle and not make any effort.
God does not look at the result, but at the efforts we made to achieve that result.

For 2000 years, Christianity was the main power in Europe. Now it's just a big commercial organization, a business.

Power in Europe has always been, and is now, in the hands of the Jews. Jews do not accept Christ as a representative of God. The Jews tried to kill him 2000 years ago, they tried to kill him. The Jews distorted, perverted

most of the ideas that Christ brought. It is the Jews – these cannibals – who turned the church into a business, into a place where a person seeking truth will encounter insurmountable obstacles on his path to God.

True Christianity – it is an amazing, richest, deepest culture that can give a person invaluable benefit.
But modern "Judaized-Christianity", both Catholic and "Orthodox" (Orthodoxy and Christianity are 2 different cultures) – has less and less to do with the ideas that Christ brought.

For example, the modern Russian Orthodox Church (as an organization) – by and large, has very little relation to true Christianity. All its leadership positions are occupied by KGB employees. The ideas of reincarnation and vegetarianism are completely discarded. The concept of resurrection is also almost completely lost. For most people, resurrection is a day off on the calendar, but this is not because they are stupid and unable to understand this concept; the reason is that the essence of Christ's ideas is distorted, hidden, not taught in the church.