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#3267
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For those who advocate for strict adherence to the letter of the law, here is some additional information: violation system, section 4.22.

Regarding the awarding of points under this section, you can confidently file an appeal. However, in this case, the absolute, divinely ordained immunity of the moderators, as literally written, will be the deciding factor, rather than common sense and moral standards.
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Regarding the scoring for this item, you can confidently file an appeal. However, in this case, the literal, written-down divine immunity of the moderators will decide everything, rather than common sense and moral standards.

I suggest using common sense right now. The best option is for Ikhtiandr to resolve his issue in a private message with Hellight, rather than putting on a show here and teaching everyone what true morality is, etc.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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numOne
So what do you suggest we do?

You are a moderator, so you should be the one to make a decision. But in my opinion, turning a blind eye to such player behavior is not acceptable. There was a precedent with Vlk - based on it, moderators act primarily on personal liking or disliking of a person. That is not right.
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Also for your information, for all those advocating strict adherence to the letter of the law: the violation system, clause 4.22.

I didn't know that. The content of the clause and the number of points for it suggest tyranny. It's clear that no one can be bothered to complain to higher-ups about moderators over every little thing. So it turns out we have to endure any abuse from moderators and stay silent. There is no freedom of speech. You can give me violation points for this post, but HellLighT should be understood and forgiven - after all, he is a tournament organizer...
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Ihtiandr
You are a moderator, so you should be the one to make a decision. But in my opinion, turning a blind eye to such player behavior is not acceptable. There was a precedent with Влк — based on it, moderators act primarily based on personal sympathy or dislike toward a person. That is not right.
I didn't know this. The very content of the clause and the number of points for it suggest tyranny. It's understandable that everyone is too lazy to complain to someone higher up about every little thing moderators do. So it turns out we have to put up with any abuse from moderators that might pop into their heads. There is no freedom of speech. You can give me violation points for this post, but understand and forgive HellLighT, since he is the tournament organizer...

That's exactly the point — moderators are guided primarily by their own subjective view of the situation, rather than immediately assigning points by the book. Thankfully, we have a democratic forum that allows for a more or less informal interaction. Nobody has canceled points for direct insults, and they will be assigned if there are repeat offenses.
As for the subject at hand, you could have resolved this problem like a man — talk to HellLight on ICQ and settle who is right. But, according to him, you start swearing at him in private messages, while on the forum you try to act all high and mighty. I don't understand this.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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numOne
The best option would be for Ikhtiandr to resolve his issue with HellLighT in a private message, rather than putting on a show here and lecturing everyone about what true morality is, etc.

)) It seems you still don't understand the purpose of all these posts. I'm not going to sort things out with him, and I didn't start any arguments; I repeat, I practically don't know this person. What am I supposed to talk to him about in a private message, if he's irrational and aggressively hostile towards me, and it's unclear why?

And what do my words about morality have to do with it?)) I didn't lecture anyone, tell anyone what to do, or insult anyone. It seems you simply disagree with my point of view, which is why you're supporting the irrational HellLighT and, in a way, approving of everything he said about me... What a great moderator! Keep it up!))
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Here's the situation. Firstly, there's no punishment for moderators on the forum for inactivity. It's understandable why – it's a forum, and it's impossible to instantly clean up everything. However, HellLight's post was left untouched by a moderator who didn't react to it and left everything as it was. HellLight eventually thought about it and decided to delete it, but the damage was already done, and a commotion started. If you look at it objectively, it's clear that the moderator didn't fulfill their duty, and Ikhti is trying to point that out. But since the post is already gone, nothing can be proven, and such hints are punishable by rule .22, which, by the way, also cannot be appealed because the post is gone. So, the moderator is technically right from a literal interpretation of the rules, while Ikhti is right from a moral standpoint. This is the nature of our world, where the letter of the law often differs from morality. So, Ikhti, drop this hopeless endeavor; there's nothing to prove here.
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Ihtiandr

And what do my words about morality have to do with it?)) I wasn't teaching anyone, telling anyone what to do, or insulting anyone. It seems you simply disagree with my point of view, which is why you started supporting the unreasonable HellLighT and, in a way, approved of everything he said against me... What a great moderator! Keep it up!))
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R55Max, LOL, how long do you think it would take to fire all the shots on morale? This is at least disrespectful to the opponent (if I were in Sevan's place, I would have expressed myself more rudely). And he even posted the victory after such nonsense, what a guy!))
Ihtiandr

According to the rules, there's nothing to criticize, everything is fine, but from the point of view of basic human ethics, I don't think he acted very well.
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Personally, my ideas about knightly honor and dignity would never allow me to post such a victory. And of course, I understand that explaining this is useless. How do you explain to a thief that stealing is wrong? It's impossible, because the laws of honor are not subject to logic. Some people simply realize them, while others don't.

If you want, you can dig deeper into the topic of morality.
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As for the topic at hand, you could have resolved this issue like a man – by talking to HellLight in a private message and figuring out who is right. But, according to him, you start cursing him in private, while on the forum you try to act all high and mighty. I don't understand this.

Well, once again, I'm the one who's to blame. First, our conversation in a private message is our personal business. Second, if you want to get into it, yes, I addressed him in a rude manner because of his latest post, but I did so in a meaningful way. I asked him why he was insulting me for no reason. In response, I received a bunch of curses that don't carry any meaning. Just something like, "I think you're an idiot, so I decided to humiliate you." What's the point of talking to such a person in a private message after that?

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If you want, you can dig up more about morality.

Yes, I expressed my opinion about the situation. But at the same time, I didn't try to teach or insult anyone. And how does this relate to HellLight's insults towards me? If you think I was wrong, then from your point of view, HellLight was right to insult me? I heard a lot of accusations against me, but not a single one about HellLight's behavior. Although he was the one who violated the forum rules in our conversation. It looks like this: "Ichthyander, go away, HellLight was right to insult you, we agree with him, so we'll forgive him for violating the forum rules." What a bunch of moderators...
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numOne
I suggest using common sense right now. The best option is for Ikhtiandr to resolve his issue with Hellight in a private message, rather than putting on a public show here and lecturing everyone else about what true morality is, etc.
Award Hell points for public insults, and delete the topic) or do as we do on the forum, leave everything as it is :)
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Publicly insulted him, waited for the posts to be deleted, and then ended the conversation – excellent work, **Hellight**! Of course, one can disagree with Ikhti's opinion about the morality of mages, but that's no reason to behave like a pig.
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I can't find Hellight's post right now, and Ikhtiandr can't give me the link, and in the messages that remain here, I don't see anything wrong – why should I give him points?
However, there is a quote from Ikhti; let's assume that he received a warning this time for it. The next offense will result in 25 points.
Hellight isn't responding to me on ICQ yet; I'll talk to him later.
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He publicly insulted someone, waited for the posts to be deleted, and then ended the conversation – excellent work, Hellight! Of course, one can disagree with Ichthy's opinion about the morality of mages, but that's no reason to behave like a pig.

Judging by the moderators' reaction, this is normal behavior on the forum, even for a tournament organizer. From now on, I won't be polite, and if I want to, I can calmly express my emotions in this way. And let them try to accuse me of anything; there's a precedent, which means I can behave the same way. Unfortunately, there's nothing left to do but accept the rules of the game; defending oneself in an adequate manner is useless for preserving one's dignity.
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2Itiandr, you're being a bit harsh. If you think the administration isn't paying attention or doing anything, you're wrong. Since this is the first violation, a warning should be sufficient for now. I think that's logical. And if you think there are any special favors for tournament organizers, you're wrong. Everyone gets the points they deserve.
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Dirty_Player, yes, I don't delve into all the intricacies of the administration's work, but all I saw after I was publicly insulted was numOne making accusations against me. Okay, the topic is completely exhausted, there's nothing more to say. You guys figure it out.
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