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Vigo deserves to be on the Blacklist
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Vigo was unfairly added to the Blacklist and should be removed from it
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13 years ago
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I'll post two games by Vigo, one with Alone in a tournament, and the other with SEM_56 in a league match. They were played around the same time. And it's funny that the castles are the same. It's even easier to compare.
There's a password to access them, but I'd like to watch!
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13 years ago
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2 Homunculus Thank you for the streams, but I must apologize for this. Those who shout the loudest about "cheating" never take responsibility for their words. For example, Eddie was accused of cheating, and in the final of the tournament, someone cheated against him publicly. Then, Eddie came to the club and, in the presence of Vic and a lot of other people, won the tournament with a score of 4 out of 4. What happened next? Not only was he not awarded the title for the previous tournament, but no one even apologized to him. The person who cheated against him remained the title holder. No one was punished. What can we conclude from this? That those who make accusations must be held accountable for their decisions, especially when there is no real EVIDENCE. For example, if a decision is made to award a "black mark" to a cheater without sufficient evidence, and people determine that it is not proven, then all members of the AC who voted "yes" should be solemnly awarded the "Cheater's Medal of Honor" and excluded from all official tournaments. Is that a fair system?

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13 years ago
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Qwerty
Petya, do you think that only complete idiots have gathered here?
It says, "Thank you for the game, you played great, excellent pace." Who is this addressed to? Who is he saying "thank you for the game" to? He's praising his opponent for a great game, and you just pieced together phrases from two different places and started making fun of it! Don't do that, it doesn't suit you...

The statistics are ridiculous. Look at my game statistics in the season and in the tournament. About 40 percent in the first case and 100 in the second. So what? Maybe I was maphacking on Slagfest?
And for 1998-1999, I think I had about 55 percent in regular chess games and 100 in team games. So what? Maybe, fellow statisticians, I was maphacking my opponent's brain, or maybe I was disguising myself as Kasparov?

This trial is simply disgusting. When one person openly maphacks in front of everyone, he gets away with it. But the other is ready to be erased from the face of the Earth just for suspicion. And you know what? I know, and I won't be erased so easily!! In reality, those who lost, let's say, to Vitalik, are so confident in their own invincibility that they are ready to assume anything, except for one simple fact. In this particular game, he played better. They can't even imagine that, the disease of "megalomania" hasn't been canceled. So they start making up anything. Then they'll say that Vitalik hypnotized his opponents through Hamachi. And with their logic, this is a normal next step.

It's useless to try to silence me. I'm fed up.

Please refrain from posting such things in this thread.
If you have something to say that is relevant, please do so, but we don't need this kind of "IMHO" here, especially since everyone knows that you are the most interested party in this case.
Let Vigo answer for himself, at least now, he volunteered, it seems.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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13 years ago
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Qwerty
In reality, those who simply lost to, say, Vitalik, are so confident in their own invincibility that they are ready to assume anything, except for one simple fact: in this particular game, he played better.

Thank you for being so candid. In fact, that's why we gathered here – to understand who was playing under the nickname Vigo.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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13 years ago
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The thing is, there was one piece of evidence. A photo with a date, from the Phoenix gathering, where Vitalik was present, but Vigo wasn't, and on that day, Vigo had a game. It's extremely difficult to reconstruct this, very difficult. In principle, it would be possible to try and do it if we knew for sure that everyone who made the decision about Vigo, both here and on the Portal, would first offer official apologies after being presented with this photo, and then go and serve the punishment that was given to Vigo.

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13 years ago
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Qwerty
The thing is, there was one piece of evidence. A photo with a date, from the Phoenix meetup, where Vitalik was present, but Vigo wasn't, and on that day, Vigo had a game. It's extremely difficult to reconstruct this, very difficult. In principle, it would be possible to try to do it if we knew for sure that everyone who made the decision about Vigo, both here and on the Portal, would first offer official apologies after being presented with this photo, and then go and serve the punishment that was given to Vigo.

Are you serious?
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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13 years ago
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"Actually, those who lost, let's say, to Vitalik, are so confident in their own invincibility that they are ready to assume anything, except for one simple fact. In this particular game, he played better."

Thank you for such frankness. In fact, that's why we gathered here, to understand who "presumably" played under the nickname Vigo.
Okay, let's say Captain lost to someone, it doesn't matter.
PS. By the way, when a non-original nickname is used in front of a moderator, and they do nothing about it, that's a reason to think.

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13 years ago
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I already wrote about skill fluctuations; check my stats on the portal; the fluctuations are an order of magnitude greater there. When I play for fun with a drink, that's one thing. When I play in a tournament (especially a team one), it's a different story – maximum focus, not a drop of alcohol, etc.

You, as a chess player, tell me: is your skill the same during a practice game or an official competition? Is your concentration the same? It's the same here.

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13 years ago
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What should I answer? Everything is clear to me here. Thanks to Pete for the statistics of my games, of course, but what does this have to do with anything? Am I better at some games and worse at others? Of course! I can sit at the computer for 24 hours and, due to fatigue, make the wrong move or act foolishly. I can drink vodka, I can smoke weed, so what? Am I not allowed to play the computer or play Heroes anymore because AK says that I'm playing the season poorly, or that I'm playing Tournaments better, or that I'm not allowed to make such mistakes "according to my level"? (It's probably clear to everyone that serious games should be played more thoughtfully and with more concentration), and I almost always play seasons in a relaxed manner. I always play for myself! People can help with hints and advice on where to go or what to do. I don't deny this. The fact that you linked me with Vitaly is very strange; you have a grudge against him, and now you're banning me as his student! Regarding my skill in the game - so what if I played worse before, and now I play better? Is that a bad thing? I think everyone strives for this. Let's ban Sevensan for not knowing anything a few years ago, and now he plays so well, or Alberto, whom I personally explained what and how to do in Heroes online and how to play, and now he's become so good! There are dozens of such guys; ban them, they've become better players, which means someone is playing for them! And in general, you accused me of maphacking! What's the basis for this? What are the facts? In short, it's all nonsense! I consider your accusation unfounded and baseless!
Всё будет хорошо!!! Только неизвестно когда... НО ОБЯЗАТЕЛЬНО БУДЕТ!!!
Но!...
Слушай всех, прислушивайся к немногим, решай сам...

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13 years ago
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Pit for LM
To be continued.

A request to Qwerty and Vigo: please tone down the expressiveness. No one expected anything different from you, to be honest. The analysis is being done for the forum, as you requested. As soon as Pit posts all the material, everyone will be able to evaluate it (if they have the strength to read and verify everything) and decide for themselves.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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13 years ago
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Vigo
Why did you start defending so late? Why didn't you do it right away when your team was removed from the Tournaments for everyone?
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There might be some fluctuations in skill, but they are insignificant; at least compare them with Ghomungulus's stats.

Also, this information has been collected over several years, and there have been many "overlaps," but we still managed to find a way out of them. And as promised, here is the topic: /topic/7012/
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13 years ago
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))))) Funny. Wasn't I making a relevant point? The guy was accused of cheating, and one of the arguments was that he didn't immediately start defending himself and screaming like a stuck pig. I, by stating the basic principles of legal proceedings, wanted to convey that this argument was baseless. So, in your understanding, "relevant" means only accusing the guy, and defending him is irrelevant?)) Whatever, sort it out yourselves. You can delete this message too, I give you permission.
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13 years ago
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2 Kilgor 2008/2009. My statistics: Season: 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 1, 1, 0, 0, 0, 1, 1/2, 1. Total 7.5 out of 13, 57.7% (special thanks to Sir Gunnar for 3 consecutive losses). Tournament: 100%. Here are my skill fluctuations.

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13 years ago
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Ihtiandr
))))) Funny. Wasn't I making a valid point? The guy was accused of cheating, and one of the arguments was that he didn't immediately start defending himself and screaming like a stuck pig. I, by stating the basic principles of legal proceedings, wanted to convey that this argument was baseless. So, in your understanding, "making a valid point" means only the accusations against the guy, and the defense is not a valid point?)) And never mind, sort it out yourselves. You can delete this message too, I give you permission.

Your first message:
Too lazy to go into details, but the title of the topic is great.

Then Gomunguls repeats my thought that it's strange that the person doesn't immediately start defending himself but retreats into the shadows.
To which you replied:
I may not be in the loop here, but I'll allow myself to point out that you forgot about one thing:
And provided a link to Wikipedia about the presumption of innocence. After that, you had a conversation about terminology, which was not directly related to the topic of Vigo's honesty/dishonesty.
Пусть мой враг будет силен и страшен. Если я поборю его, то не буду чувствовать стыда.
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13 years ago
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I think the presumption of innocence applies directly to this topic. Because one of the main arguments in favor of Vigo's guilt contradicts this fundamental principle.
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