Posts from CIS-13 in Minsk – it’s winter!!! Auto-translated

Here I am, a newbie. Heroes 3 is a turn-based game, and turn-based games are inherently boring because everything in them is linear. BUT in Heroes 3, there are pluses: 1. Random templates (immediate advantage for someone, and the fog of war hides not only the opponent's position but also the very content of the map) — a clear plus and a difference from Warcraft/StarCraft (well, those aren't turn-based, so it's not appropriate to compare, but let's say on a certain map, a Human/Elf player has several strategies against each race), and a HUGE plus is the morale of mobs — that's the real essence!!! Because if you're playing as Castle with valkyries and you have 22 Marksmen and ~28 Pikemen, and you attack 20-49 (30) Upgraded Wolves, and they run, get morale without waiting, and cut down some of the Marksmen and block them — that, in my opinion, is the real essence, and it gives the game dynamics, so to speak... And so you think: should I attack them or not? And they're guarding something you need! And you, say, "pay" 6.75% (~12% corrected.) (3 stacks with a 2.25% chance of morale for each (the total will be slightly less than 6.75%, I calculated roughly)) and this already slightly resembles poker... I don't know, but if everyone switched to wt, I'd most likely leave HeroesWorld (I'm lying). (I have nothing against wt players; they found something in wt — for me, it's stripping all the fun out of Heroes 3.)

The chance of morale appearing is 4.2 - 8.3 - 12.5.

Accordingly, one of the three stacks will be demoralized with a probability slightly above 12% – which is significant!

You won't believe it, but I always knew that 4% and that 3 is 12 and a bit... I guess I got a little confused while trying to formulate my thought, although looking at the post, you wouldn't think I was struggling to put my thoughts together.

We're arguing again about which is better, cotton or soda?)))

I liked the comparison with poker. And surprisingly, most of the top Wargame players have spent a significant part of their lives playing poker, and for some reason, soda doesn't appeal to them. Just something to think about. And here's another piece of information, without exact data - out of the 20 best players in the CIS that I know, only four would prefer Soda (and even that's a stretch - two of them are just as good at Wargame). This may only indicate that the competitive aspect of the game, based on skill, is more important for Wargame players.
And there will always be many who like to watch the horse run or get an adrenaline rush from Vale attacking wolves. But for their position to be convincing, it is necessary to translate quantity into quality - that is, to make this conditional score not 4-16, but 10-10.
In general, Yegor and other guys who have recently appeared on the forum - go ahead and prove with your game that Soda is no worse;)

In general, Yegor and other guys who have recently appeared on the forum – go ahead and prove through gameplay that SoD is not worse.

Nobody owes anyone anything to prove. People are coming from a position of like or dislike, not better or worse.

But in order for their position to be convincing, it is necessary to translate quantity into quality - that is, so that this conditional score is not 4-16, but 10-10.

For people who prefer SoD, the only position is that they like SoD. This is enough for them to be convinced. And no one is going to try to convince anyone.

If you like Warlock, play Warlock.

If you like SoD, play SoD.

What is the point of these comparisons about what is better? Everyone has their own "better"! And that's it.
Why impose your opinion?

And no one is going to try to convince anyone.

After reading the thread, I formed the opposite opinion. Especially since we are talking about the version that will be used for CIS games.

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In general, I think these discussions are pointless. When people gather in Odessa or Minsk, the majority will choose the version by voting.

Honestly, I think these discussions are pointless. When people gather in Odessa or Minsk, the majority will choose a version through voting.

I 100% agree. If we're being honest, all this talk has nothing to do with the topic.

If a tournament is planned for Warlords, then it will be on Warlords, it's obvious.

But there's no need to bring up whether Sod or Warlords is better in general, as that's a different topic. And everyone has their own answer. Every song has its own notes.

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And no one is trying to convince anyone.

After reading the thread, I formed the opposite opinion.
This happened for two reasons. Either I wrote poorly, or you listened poorly.

You can't force someone to love something. Isn't that obvious? No one has come up with a formula for love yet.

And if player A loves Sod, they don't have to prove to player B that Sod is better. With some victories, participation, or somewhere in tournaments or somewhere else. For them, it's enough that they simply love Sod, so it's better for them.

If one person likes Warlords and another likes Sod, you need to respect each other. And not shout "Sod is garbage, Warlords is cool," or "Warlords is garbage, Sod is cool."

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And IMHO, these tournaments with voting on the version on the spot, where there is no clear regulation, are nonsense. You need to say from the beginning: tournament on Warlords! or Tournament on Sod! And there won't be any hassle or friction between players later.

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P.S. damn, I'm turning into a second Aripetru.

The probability of morale dropping is 4.2 - 8.3 - 12.5.

I've been wanting to ask this for a while. Is the maximum effective morale = 3, is this 100% true? It's not clearly stated in the game about this, the only hint is the table that is drawn only for morale from -3 to 3.

I've been wanting to ask this for a while. Is the maximum effective morale always 3? Is this 100% accurate? The game manual doesn't clearly state this, the only hint is a table showing morale values from -3 to +3.

Yes, morale always falls within the range of [-3; +3]. If you accumulate more than +3 in bonuses (from structures, skills, and artifacts), the morale will still be +3 in battle. So, exceeding +3 is only useful for neutralizing negative bonuses (having more than two troop types, graveyards, empty crypts, bone dragons on the opponent's side, etc.).

The unique aspect of esports is that players tailor the game to their own preferences. This is achieved not only through code modification but also by selecting rules, settings, maps, and more. The game's outcome depends on the players involved. Subsequently, purely social processes come into play – where there are more people and where they are more passionate.

Egor and other guys who appeared on the forum relatively recently — go for it and prove through gameplay that SoD is no worse;)

Now, this seems like a meaningless statement: can players prove that a game is not worse? What kind of nonsense is that, in theory? But I agree, and here is how I see the situation.
We won't go far; let's take two friends, Ivan and Petr. Petr says that Age of Mythology is a cool game and unreally awesome, while Ivan says that StarCraft 2 is cooler, and both believe that the other is playing complete nonsense. Now we take one Korean, say dongraegu, and tell him that in the game Age of Mythology, if you win the championship in a month, you'll get 1m $, and lo and behold, he crushes everyone without a chance. The same goes for other games. Of course, it's hard to compare cs1.6 and Quake 3 this way, because neither will likely give up their title. And, Javdet, PM me the top 10 Heroes 3 players. I'm very curious what your top list is...
And let's take poker maps and checkers or durak (there's an element of chance there too, but two good players will play with a score of 98-102); why is poker more popular? Because there is an element of chance that creates excitement; if everything in a game can be calculated, then it's no longer a game, but some kind of science or mathematics. Take chess—a computer defeated everyone there long ago, but such computers don't exist for poker yet. It's a game, therefore there must be chance here, and the more of it, the merrier (many random sequential events won't change the balance much (they won't give many chances to a weaker player)). And beating a bunch of zombies on the map is total nonsense in my opinion—excuse me, this is just my opinion—when you attack mobs, you can calculate the entire battle from start to finish if you're not an idiot. But in the case of even 1 morale, everything changes radically, and that's where all the salt is (though that's my opinion).

The game becomes what the players are.

Right now I could name one person with whom I've never argued, but whom everyone dislikes; well, he plays WT. So your game turns out to be just like that (in your words).

Yegorka... don't take everything so personally))-and before you start thinking about the WT project, you should first... figure it out, understand it, and learn how to play what you're playing now - no offense!

Yegorka... don't take everything so close to heart))-and before you start thinking about the WT project, first... figure it out, understand it, and learn how to play what you're playing now-no offense!

I agree. Just please call me Yegor. By the way, how did your game with Alex go? And please post more streams with Alex or your own; I liked the part of your game. And by the way, when you were breaking the diamond, I wanted to ask you if it wouldn't have been better to sacrifice 4-5 ducks but keep your mana full (in case your opponent comes out and you have an implosion spell, but no mana), but since I think you're a much higher-level player, I didn't ask that question. And as it turned out, I was right; you would have won the game against Alex.

Okay, that's just my opinion; I haven't played WT, or if I have, it was only a couple of times, but the fact that the morality is turned off in itself doesn't appeal to me.

Friends, I apologize again if I misled anyone. The VT Championship itself is a continuation of Kyiv, Michurinsk, and Yekaterinburg. The tournament on SoDe has nothing to do with VT; it's not its competitor, and it will be held independently of where and when the VT championship takes place. Whether the VT tournament is stronger or more representative doesn't really matter to me. If my friends from Michurinsk and Tambov gather, along with some Moscow residents – SoDe players – and several players from World… that would make for quite a grand event. I announced the prize fund: 15 thousand rubles. Perhaps this seems like a small amount to many, but for many, even 15 thousand in any currency is a small amount; everything is relative. We’ll figure out the club issue. We’ll also sort out the apartment(s) situation, especially since part of the participants are local Muscovites, and some of the Michurinsk players know where they can stay. That’s all there is left to do—just agree on the dates. For now, the suggestion is after the New Year holidays, approximately from January 4th to 7th, as those are non-working days. I opened a topic /topic/9504/. All information about the SoDe tournament will be posted there so we don’t clutter up this thread.