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Besides, you shouldn't underestimate newcomers – some of them play quite well, they just aren't registered on various forums and don't participate in tournaments.
This is actually one of the problems. There are indeed quite strong players, even on the original game, those same "founding fathers" from Ubisoft, but they won't come to play with us, not because they dislike the Total Enhancement (TE) mod – they might use that as an "excuse" for not wanting to play with it – but because they are worried about their status. How can I be a "founding father" here, but be a mediocre player there? This is most likely a psychological factor. After all, we all know that TE is still the same Heroes game; the heroes don't run backward in TE, Orcs don't cast "Armageddon," and other races don't cast "Wrath of the Horde." TE doesn't fundamentally affect the game mechanics; TE is primarily about striving for maximum game balance. This is what needs to be explained to everyone who wants to improve their gaming skills, rather than playing "Former Friends" on the original Ubisoft version for the hundredth time.
P.S. By the way, me and Player-76 played "Underground Treasures" on Ubisoft countless times about 3-4 years ago
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This is actually one of the problems. There are indeed quite strong players, even on the original game, those same "founding fathers" of Heroes, but they won't come to play with us, not because they dislike TE, they can only "justify" their unwillingness to play with this mod, but because they are worried about their status. How can I be a "founding father" here, but be a mediocre newbie there? This is most likely a psychological issue. After all, we all know that TE is still the same Heroes, the heroes don't run around backwards, orcs don't cast "Armageddon," and the other races don't cast "Wrath of the Horde." TE doesn't fundamentally affect the game mechanics; TE is primarily about striving for maximum game balance. This is what needs to be explained to everyone who wants to improve their gaming skills, rather than playing "Old Friends" for the hundredth time on the original Heroes of Might and Magic.
P.S. By the way, me and Player-76 have played "Underground Treasures" on Heroes of Might and Magic countless times, about 3-4 years ago.
No, we're not talking about the original game. People play TE without forums and without tournaments. If the "founding fathers of Heroes" really want to be "champions," let them continue playing on Heroes of Might and Magic, since they are afraid of their imaginary rating. Such ardent fans are definitely not needed here.
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IMHO, if the goal of the tournament is simply to hold it, then it can be done on the original game. However, if the goal is to attract new players to the TE mod, then it should be played on that mod. Participating in the tournament might motivate many to learn the mod. A thread could be created where newcomers can ask questions about the mod, as there are people who can answer them. If the tournament is successful, similar ones could be held from time to time to attract new players.
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In my opinion, if the goal of the tournament is simply to hold it, then you can use the original version. However, if the aim is to attract new players to the TE mod, then it should be played on that mod. Participating in the tournament might motivate many people to learn more about the mod. You could create a thread where newcomers can ask questions about the mod; fortunately, there are people who can answer them.
Such a topic already exists.
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Didn't notice, sorry.

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KillAndAction, you have experience organizing tournaments, maybe you could take on this process? If I can help in any way, please feel free to contact me; my ICQ is in the thread where everyone leaves their contact information.
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Didn't notice, sorry)

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KillAndAction, you (I checked) have experience in organizing tournaments, maybe you can take on this process? If I can help in any way, please contact me, my ICQ is in the thread where everyone leaves their contacts.
Yes, and I suggested this from the very beginning when I expressed the idea of holding this tournament...
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I suggest holding the tournament on the original or tournament version.
The maps are definitely not fixed. You can use the built-in generator (although I don't like this option). It's better to use IRMG or, at worst, play on a fan-made map.
We will think about the tournament scheme based on the number of potential participants and their skill level.
I can take on the organization and judging (I have enough experience).
What do you think about this, players?
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It would be great to hold a tournament among beginners; I'm in favor.
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For now, this is the situation.
FOR TE: $an4es, Leolopus, Quiescent
FOR the original: Xzibit, Vaishan))
undecided: MjTh.

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if you want to play TE, play TE; if you want to play the original, no problem. And to avoid arguments, the original should have priority. The same goes for maps, fixes, the native generator, and IRMG.

What do you think?

and of course, we need more people, at least 10...
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well, as a last resort, you can add us to an additional group when you hold a general tournament. I wouldn't mind trying to compete with the "founding fathers."
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$an4es
well, as a last resort, you can add us to an additional group when you hold a general tournament. I wouldn't mind trying to compete with the "veterans."
I'm participating in the discussion, but I definitely don't consider myself a beginner anymore. That's why I don't think it's possible for me to participate in a tournament for beginners, especially one where priority might be given to the original game. Besides, there are already plenty of tournaments available, so those who want to can register for a seasonal tournament on the portal or on the league. I believe a tournament for Town of the Elves starts on the 15th, and I'm writing this for those who still want to try Town of the Elves.
"Шанс есть всегда, но не везде." ;)
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I would play. I haven't played with TE before, but if needed, I can play on it.
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I might be repeating myself, but only the third expansion, Tribes of the East, with the TE mod and the original IRMG map generator. You can come up with other templates, or repeat the idea of the favorites from the third game. For TE.

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Leolopus
I am, of course, participating in the discussion, but I definitely don't belong in the beginner category anymore :) that's probably why I don't consider it possible to participate in a tournament for beginners, and especially not where priority might be given to the original version :) And, well, there are plenty of tournaments now, those who want can register on the portal for the seasonal league or on the league, I think a TE tournament starts on Monday the 15th, I'm writing this for those who still want to try TE.
What is there to try? :confused: You have to play TE :smile13:. ;)
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"Who is stronger" has ended, and in this regard, I propose we start thinking about the next tournament. Here's a suggested format:

1. A themed, race-based round-robin tournament for 16 players (I think there are approximately that many active, reasonably skilled players in the community).
2. Each participant plays only one pre-selected race throughout the tournament; mirror matches are excluded. A total of 2 players participate in the tournament for each race.
3. Race selection is done as follows: participants send a list of races ranked by preference to the judges. A total of 16 registered participants are selected based on their ranking on the portal. Priority in race selection is given to participants with the lowest ranking on the portal (results from tournaments this year can be taken into account). This way, 16 people are selected, each assigned to one race – the rest are on standby.
4. Based on the results of the round-robin tournament, the strongest race is determined by the sum of the games played by the two players who played that race.

I look forward to your comments.
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Who is stronger hasn't ended yet, and in this regard I suggest thinking about the next tournament. The proposed formula:

1. A thematic race round-robin for 16 players (I think that's roughly the number of active, decently skilled players in the community).
2. Each participant plays only one pre-selected race throughout the tournament, mirror matches are excluded. A total of 2 players per race participate in the tournament.
3. The selection of races is done as follows: participants send the judges a list of races ranked by preference. A total of the top-16 registered participants are selected based on their rating on the portal. Participants with the worst rating on the portal have priority in choosing a race (tournament results from this year can be considered). This way, 16 players are selected, each assigned one race — the rest are alternates.
4. Based on the results of the round-robin tournament, the strongest race is determined by the total games of the two players who played for it.

I await your comments.

First of all, "Who is stronger" hasn't ended yet.
Secondly, a pure round-robin for 16 players means 15 rounds, and what do you mean by a race round-robin?
Thirdly, playing one race is just... (gets boring) — this is from personal experience in participating in thematic tournaments.
Fourth, Necro/Orc/Dungeon will dominate — they are still imbalanced races that are banned in 95% of cases; these races will only have difficult games against each other.
Fifth, what does the portal rating have to do with anything? It's an unrelated resource and has 0 relation to HeroesWorld.
And lastly, this tournament will not determine the strongest race, because there is no such thing — there are several :) So it's good that there are ideas, but this tournament concept, IMHO, will not be interesting for participants.
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How long ago was the last mixed tournament held?
Part IRMG+TE, part RTA. (We can forget about duels, as no one plays them anymore).
Or are some people so averse to RTA, while others dislike TE, that it's not worth it?

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There's an option for a regular Swiss-system tournament, where the winning player cannot use either their own race or the race of the defeated player. Once all races are exhausted, the counter starts over.
Or another option: Players in the next game only play with the race of their opponent in the previous game, but against a different player.
And so on, you can come up with many more ideas.
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