The most UNPOPULAR faction in Heroes 5. — General

Nikitatigr

13 years ago

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Vaishan))

I don't like Sylvan the most, because their racial ability is stupid.

I disagree here. The Elven special ability is one of the best. Consistently dealing 225% of normal damage is very effective.

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Vaishan))

13 years ago

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Nikitatigr

I disagree here. The Elven special ability is one of the best. Consistently dealing 225% of normal damage is very effective.

You didn't understand me :) Special ability is one thing - +125% constant damage is pretty good :eek: - the special ability of the Elves is one of the best (only Unrelenting Force is better :D :D :D ...just kidding, Omniscience is the best for mages :) ) - and the racial ability, i.e., Avenger, is rarely activated and may only be useful in the final stages (and deals decent damage only with good artifacts). IMHO, it is not effective.

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Dyrman

13 years ago

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Vaishan))

You misunderstood me :) SA is one thing - +125% permanent damage is quite a lot :eek: - SA is one of the best for the Elves (only surpassed by Unrelenting Force :D :D :D ...just kidding, Omniscience is the best for mages :) ) - and the racial ability, i.e., Avenger, is rare and may only be useful in the endgame (and deals decent damage only with Anven). IMHO, it's not effective.

Really? What about Sinedruds + Cursed + Spell + Rain (one volley from half the army wipes out the enemy thanks to Cursed, and Anven isn't even needed here)? It was a bad ability before, when improved and unimproved creatures were separated.
And the SA for Elves actually gives a smaller bonus, because luck is already being increased before the ability is reached, which already increases damage. For example, with 5 luck (everyone visits the luck-boosting locations before the endgame, and there are also artifacts) - the damage is 150%, with the Elven ability it's about 170%. So, the increase is only about 30% of what you already have from the Elven ability, the difference is that it reduces uncertainty, which is very good and will actually have a greater effect than 30% (and the opponent may also have an artifact that reduces luck), despite the simple math.

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Ment

13 years ago

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Not quite. Without the Combat Alchemy skill, it's 162.5% (Elven Luck divided by something), and with it, it's 225%. That's a 62.5% increase from the base damage and approximately 40% from the damage without Combat Alchemy. For comparison, a third-tier attack with Cold Steel and Fire Attack from Chaos (the maximum you can get, if I haven't forgotten anything) gives only 35% of the base damage. And Luck 3 with artifacts and Elven Luck gives exactly the same 62.5%.

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Warrior777

13 years ago

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:smile49: :smile49: :smile49: Mages - very good spells and artifacts! The best!:smile14:
:D :D Demons - fast and powerful units, chaos magic, and also the ability to open portals
:) Humans - retraining (I gained about 200 Paladins in 2 months)
:( Elves - VERY low health, but otherwise good
:mad: :mad: Necromancers - no Battle Rage, but good in everything else
:smile51: :smile51: :smile51: Fortress - VERY few units, easy to defeat with a hero.

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Dyrman

13 years ago

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Ment

Not quite. Without the Combat Alchemy skill, it's 162.5% (divide elven luck by two), and with it, it's 225%. That's a 62.5% increase from the base damage and approximately 40% from the damage without Combat Alchemy. For comparison, a third-tier attack with Cold Steel and Fire Attack from Chaos (the maximum you can get if I haven't forgotten anything) gives only 35% of the base damage. And Luck 3 with artifacts and elven luck gives exactly the same 62.5%.

I was just giving approximate numbers; I don't have a calculator in my head ;)
The exact increase (if from 5 luck) calculated is 38.5....

Warrior777

Humans - retraining (I gained about 200 paladins in 2 months)

Where did you get so many? Is it game version 1.0? And are you using a cheat for money? There's a limit of 20 per week.

And where are the Orcs and Gnomes?

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Vaishan))

13 years ago

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Dyrman

Where are the Orcs and Dwarves?

This is a discussion about the original Heroes, not 2.1 or 3.1.

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Dyrman

13 years ago

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Vaishan))

The discussion is taking place in the thread about the original Heroes, not 2.1 or 3.1.

Dwarves are even in the poll in the topic header, therefore, at a minimum, they should be included ;)
I voted for them...

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masgak

13 years ago

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And why aren't there any Orcs?

Ment

13 years ago

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Everyone loves them.)
Actually, the poll was simply created earlier, and that's all. We can create a new one, but we probably won't be able to gather enough statistics. Although, it's already clear that players like Inferno the least, and a large (not absolute) number vote for the inexplicably added option "to love them all."

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masgak

13 years ago

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I don’t really enjoy playing as Mages.

Mr_Silence

13 years ago

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I don't like playing as Mages, although I enjoy playing against them.

Leolopus

13 years ago

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There are no inherently bad factions. A skilled player can win with any faction against any other faction with a 90% probability; the remaining 10% I attribute to unforeseen circumstances and general bad luck in the game.

"Шанс есть всегда, но не везде." ;)

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Dyrman

13 years ago

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Leolopus

There are no bad factions at all. A skilled player with good skills can win with any faction against any other faction with a 90% probability; I leave the remaining 10% for unforeseen circumstances and total bad luck in the game.

But what if there are such players on both sides? A faction may not be liked not only because of how difficult it is to play.

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MjTh

13 years ago

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Leolopus

There are no bad factions at all. A skilled player with good skills can win with any faction against any other faction with a 90% probability; I leave the remaining 10% for unforeseen circumstances and total bad luck in the game.

Try your "highly praised" Necropolis, or send Mages against the Orc... 10%? No, I haven't heard of that. Even two of them will hardly win...