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Posts from “Who is stronger?” – Might versus Magic.
I'm signing up, but I'd still like there to be a playoff stage, as there was in the "good/evil" tournament, rather than just a game between the best first-place players; otherwise, the result will be too predictable.
363637800 On weekdays after 9-10 PM Moscow time, on weekends by arrangement. "Strength"
"Да, человек смертен, но это было бы еще пол беды. Плохо то, что он иногда внезапно смертен, вот в чем фокус". БУЛГАКОВ М.А.
I'm signing up, but I'd still like there to be a playoff stage, as there was in the "good/evil" tournament, rather than just a game between the best first-place players; otherwise, the result will be too predictable.
I'm not against a playoff, but we need to approach this issue thoughtfully. To be honest, I didn't really like the playoff format last time. Maybe someone can suggest their own idea? I'm still thinking about mine...
To be honest, I'm more concerned about the round-robin part – an 8-on-8 round-robin tournament with 2x4 races in the pool? It won't be possible to assign races without a judge, so the race selection and template creation will have to be done with a judge present.
BOLIVAR
14 years ago
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BOLIVAR ICQ: 576881700 Magic. I'm going on vacation in August. I hope I'll have enough time to set up my laptop for Heroes.
crazydevil 630529163 Magic faction I work three days on, three days off. On weekends, I'm available at any time if I'm free. When I'm working, I'm only available after midnight Moscow time.
First. There is a suggestion to move the start of the tournament to September, but there is one "BUT": will it coincide with the tournament on the League...? Second. In connection with the following statement (which I personally disagree with): Vip.rus
Although the tournament is organized weakly as usual, the technical decisions are all fair...
I ask the respected Vip.rus to take the most active part in organizing this tournament as a co-organizer. ;) I'm waiting for an answer. :smile02:
I suggest organizing a full-scale playoff tournament with a 16-on-16 format! First, the "power" and "magic" players determine the best within their groups. One round, 2 games, with a 2-week duration per round, totaling 4 rounds. If there's a tie (one win each), the player who achieved their win earlier in game time is considered the winner (we can devise another criterion, but it should be easily trackable)! Draw the matchups from 1 to 16 randomly, then 1 vs. 16, and so on. If we don't have 16 players, we'll add the necessary number of bots for the top spots. We could, of course, do a draw based on ranking, but that's complicated and, in my opinion, not necessary; the strongest players will eventually meet anyway! The main part will take a total of 2 months. Then, a mega-final to 3 (or 2) wins! In the end, a maximum of 3 months for the tournament, which is good by current standards!
We should start on August 1st because in September, many people will have a lot of work, as the business season begins, although we can discuss this.
Draft format: 1-1-1-1, with each player having 4 races!
We can also determine the strongest among the losers in the final and semi-finals, and then the strongest race group based on the number of wins!
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There aren't enough people; we currently have 8 on 8 with one backup! Either we start and save 2 weeks, or we wait for more people to join; we need more publicity; there aren't enough "founding fathers" participating
XREH
14 years ago
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XREH 1019833 Skype - xreh_ua (in case you can't add me on ICQ) Faction: Stronghold
BOLIVAR
14 years ago
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I wanted to share my thoughts about August and September.
Even though I'm interested, and I'll be on vacation starting August 1st, I'll still try to be objective.
When someone is on vacation, they want to play, but they can't due to physical limitations – that's one thing. But when they're at home and have a lot of work, it's a completely different situation. Because everyone has a lot of work.
By the end of August, about 90% of people will be back – the kids are going to school. Whether you like it or not, you'll be at home.
Regarding the overlap with the tournament on the League. If the tournament lasts for 2 weeks, it's not a problem. The problem (at least, as it turned out for me) is if the tournament is strictly 1 week. And when, for some reason, the weekends fall in the middle, it becomes very difficult to play. Because we live in different time zones. The extra 3 days for catching up don't really help. Because 10 days very rarely include 4 weekend days (or at least, that's how it's been for me).
Regarding the start of the tournament, I suggest starting earlier – at the end of August. And even though I'll still be on vacation, I'll definitely be at home by then – my child is going to school. Besides, that way, the start of this tournament won't coincide with the tournament on the League. But in general, why are we guessing when the tournament on the League will start? We should just ask the respected Moza about his plans.
Some might argue that people also go on vacation in September. Yes, I agree, they do. I'm just judging by the traffic on the roads – starting September 1st, it's complete chaos. But in August (and even now), I drive to work in the morning and there are almost no traffic jams – people have gone on vacation.
Everything I've said is just my personal opinion. But maybe it will be useful.
I suggest organizing a continuous playoff with a 16 vs. 16 format! First, the strongest players in each group will compete against each other. One round, 2 games, with each round lasting 2 weeks, totaling 4 rounds. If there's a tie, the player who achieved their victory earlier in game time will be considered the winner (we can come up with another criterion, but it should be easy to track)! Randomly draw the numbers from 1 to 16, then match 1 with 16, and so on. If there aren't enough players to reach 16, add the necessary number of bots for the top spots. We could, of course, do the draw based on ranking, but that's complicated and, in my opinion, not necessary; the strongest players will eventually meet anyway! The main part will take about 2 months. Then, a mega-final to 3 (or 2) victories! In total, the tournament will take a maximum of 3 months, which is good by today's standards! We should start on August 1st because in September, many people will have a lot of work, as the business season begins, although we can discuss this.
Each player will have 4 races in a 1-1-1-1 format. We can also determine the strongest players among those who lost in the finals and semi-finals, and then determine the strongest race group based on the number of victories!
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There aren't enough people; we currently have 8 vs. 8 with one reserve player! Either we start and save 2 weeks, or we wait for more people to join; we need more publicity; there aren't enough "founding fathers" here).
That sounds good, but the idea of a tournament pitting the factions of Might and Magic against each other would lose its meaning. Maybe we should divide them into 2 groups within each faction. Then, based on the game results, those who finish in the top 2 spots in each group will immediately qualify. For those who finish from 3rd place onwards in the groups, we can organize a mini-tournament, either for the right to qualify for the playoffs in addition to those who have already qualified, or simply create two double-elimination brackets after the group stage (although I'm not quite sure how to combine this with the faction rivalry yet)...
An 8-player round-robin with 1 reserve would be quick and logical – the main thing is that the judges can assist the players during the draft and race selection (the draft should ideally be done blindly). Based on the results of the round-robin, a mini-tournament can be organized, such as a 2v2 (best-of-1 or best-of-3?). It would be like a large arena from which players are selected for a smaller one. By the way, in the smaller arena, a common pool of 4 maps can be created for each pair. And there, the players themselves can agree on which race they will play against a specific opponent – this will also clearly show the team aspect.
I agree with Kill on some points.
I suggest holding the tournament in two stages:
1st - group stage, 2 groups - strength and magic separately, we identify the strongest representatives of the factions.
In this stage, we use a Swiss system; 3-4 rounds will be enough to identify the 2 strongest in each group (if there are 8 participants). Thus, the less skilled players will be eliminated on their own, unlike in a round-robin tournament.
2nd - playoffs, semi-final and final, respectively.
Here, the 2 best representatives of the strength/magic factions will meet; the 1st in the magic group plays against the 2nd in the strength group, and vice versa.
Here, it is possible for only mages to reach the final, which will essentially answer the question of who is stronger.
We can also hold a match for 3rd place.
P.S. For better gameplay, we can slightly increase the number of rounds in the groups or the number of players advancing to the playoffs.
KillAndAction
Organize a mini-tournament among those who took 3rd to nth place in the groups, either for the right to advance to the playoffs in addition to those who have already advanced, or simply make two double-elimination brackets after the group tournament (although I don't quite understand how to combine the confrontation here yet)...
This is definitely not necessary; the purpose of the tournament is to identify the strongest players. The last tournament on the league showed that the loser's bracket stage is simply a waste of time. You can play Heroes as much as you want in fun tournaments.
"Да, человек смертен, но это было бы еще пол беды. Плохо то, что он иногда внезапно смертен, вот в чем фокус". БУЛГАКОВ М.А.
Noom
14 years ago
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What prevents us from identifying the two strongest representatives of a faction in a battle against an opposing faction? By the way, it would be necessary to ban magical heroes (based on level) for the physical combat-oriented factions, and vice versa. So that a level 25 Krag doesn't run around as a hit-and-run attacker for the magic-focused faction.
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