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According to the plot, he is clearly the Overlord.
If I understand correctly, this is about the game's plot? But here, the obvious favorite seems to be the developers' pet – Zehir, who is young, promising, powerful, and hasn't lost a single battle.
commanding the army (meaning defense, attack, and all bonuses for the troops)
Please, elaborate. If you mean the art of command: two roughly equal armies are given to the heroes, and whoever wins is stronger. I don't quite understand, especially about the bonuses for the troops.
Gotai (after capturing Shahbadia, he receives large bonuses)
Although I don't quite understand the meaning of this statement, I will say that Gotai should not even be on the list of the strongest.
Whoever has the stronger magic – it's clearly either the Overlord or Markel.
Markel, yes, is a strong mage, but the Overlord hasn't been known for creating great spells; on the contrary, his magical abilities were not highly regarded. And here, the candidacy of Railag should not be overlooked – he has not only Warlock magic but also Tieru magic and the magic of the Order of the Dragon. And if there is Markel, why not Arantir?
One-on-one – the Overlord will definitely win.
I talked about the conditions of the battle earlier. If you tie Kha-Beleh's hands and feet with some super-powerful spell, immobilize him, and equip his opponent with powerful artifacts like the Skull of Shadows, who will win? Of course, this situation is very unlikely, but the conditions of the battle play a very important role.
He is the master of the fate of Igg-Shail and (partially) Isabel, but not of all Ashan.
So, the head of one of the 7 powers of Ashan is not the master of its fate? Hmm, in that case, only Sareth can be considered one of the masters of Ashan's fate.
He could not eradicate the demon worshipers; Igg-Shail united them for a short time.
It seems that after the final cutscene, it is clear that Igg-Shail is united, and the demon worshipers have been completely eradicated.
His participation in the campaign against Shi'o did not really give anything to Ashan.
Well, yes, except that they seriously damaged the demon army and showed all of Ashan that it is possible to safely go to Shi'o, give the Overlord a good beating there, and return home safe and sound.
The fact that he is the heir of Tieru is, of course, commendable, but it does not play a decisive role in the fate of Ashan.
He is not only the heir of Tieru but also the only (or one of the few) heir of one of the strongest and most glorious orders in Ashan, with a thousand-year history, knowledge unavailable to others, and other things that come with it. The Order of the Dragon has always been a serious force in Ashan, and all its heritage has passed to Railag.
The Messiah is born, Ashan is in ruins.
The Messiah is born, but it is unknown which side he will take (and it seems to me that Ubisoft will prefer a happy ending). Ashan is in ruins, but the demons have also suffered very heavy losses. And I saw an interview last summer where it was hinted that a duel between Railag and Sareth is quite possible, so Railag will still try to stop the Dark Messiah. Ment
For some reason, it seemed to me that Tieru was not the only Knight of the Order of the Dragon at that time (maybe I'm wrong).
It is quite possible, but I heard or read somewhere that Tieru is the last. Of course, I may be wrong.
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If I understood correctly, by the scenario — you mean the game's scenario? But here, the developer's favorite seems to be the clear favorite — Zehir, who is young, promising, powerful, and hasn't lost a single battle.
Yes, according to the game's scenario and the history of Ashan. Zehir might be a favorite, but it is still implied that the Overlord is the strongest. Young, promising — nonsense; Zehir's youth will pass and he will die, and all his prospects are based on his father's efforts and the magic of the djinns.
[Please go into more detail; by that I meant the art of generalship: two roughly equal armies are given to the heroes, and whoever wins is the stronger. Otherwise, I don't quite understand, especially regarding the troop bonuses. /QUOTE] I'm not talking about the art of generalship; here, the Overlord is likely not the first. I'm talking about the influence on the army via attack and defense parameters, meaning the game mechanics. Here, the Overlord clearly has more of these parameters than the others. Bonuses are the usual bonuses in the form of "attack base," "defense base," initiative, etc., everything that depends on the hero.
Although I don't entirely understand the essence of this statement, I will say that if anyone, Gotai should not even be mentioned in the list of the strongest.
Same as above. Gotai has high attack and a well-developed shout, so he influences his troops quite well.
Markel, yes, is a strong sorcerer, but the Overlord hasn't been seen creating great spells; on the contrary, his magical abilities were not spoken of very highly, and here Raelag's candidacy is not out of place — he has not only Warlock magic, but also the magic of Tieri and the Order of the Dragon. And if Markel is here, why not Arantir?
What do you mean "hasn't been seen"? He possesses first-class Chaos magic, casts "Hell Wave," and can teleport his form anywhere. And who spoke poorly of his abilities? No one, as far as I know. And Raelag is clearly out of place here; he is far behind Kha-Beleth and Markel.
Above, I spoke about the battle conditions. If Kha-Beleth's hands and feet are tied by some super-powerful spell, immobilizing him, and his opponent is decked out in powerful artifacts like the Skull of Shadows, then who will win? Of course, such a situation is highly unlikely, but the conditions of the clash play a very important role.
Under such conditions, even an ordinary hero would win, although it's unlikely you'd manage to immobilize the Overlord — he'll just teleport, and that's it. Plus, the Overlord's magic resistance is quite substantial, inherited from Urgash. But still, if the conditions are equal, it's unlikely any of Kha-Beleth's opponents would survive.
So, the head of one of the 7 powers of Ashan is not the arbiter of its fate? Hm, in that case, only Sareth can be counted among the arbiters of Ashan's fate.
No, even he, were he the monarch of the Empire, would still not be the arbiter. We apparently have different understandings of influence over the world's fate. I mean whether he can stop its destruction or cannot. Or whether he can destroy it. At least permanently erase some kingdom. Raelag is too small a figure for that. The Overlord could be added here (besides the dragons). Without him, Sareth cannot destroy Ashan.
It seems that after the final cinematic, it's clear that Igganox is united and the demon worshippers are finally exterminated.
After which cinematic? He united Igganox and bolted after Isabel. And generally forgot that he is a chieftain. Eliya was the one who finally united the dark elves.
Well yes, besides the fact that they seriously crippled the demon army and showed all of Ashan that one can safely bolt into Sheo, kick the Overlord's backside there, and return home intact.
Yes, and they also showed that without a time bomb, returning was impossible. And then Ashan learns with horror that they arrived there, but were unable to stop the Overlord in his intentions.
He is not only the heir of Tieri, but the sole (or one of the few) heir of one of the strongest and most glorious orders of Ashan with a thousand-year history, knowledge inaccessible to others, and other things appertaining thereto. The Order of the Dragon has always been a serious force in Ashan, and all its heritage passed to Raelag.
Exactly, the Order was strong and influential. And now all its heritage has gone to an unreliable being who is ready to incinerate the world for the sake of Isabel.
The Messiah is born, but it is unknown whose side he will take (and it seems to me that Ubisoft will prefer a happy ending). Ashan is in ruins, but the demon losses are also very high. And I think I saw an interview last summer where it was hinted that a duel between Raelag and Sareth is quite possible, so Raelag will still try to stop the Dark Messiah.
It seems to me that Ubisoft will still make two development options. Demon losses are always high, but they have always been able to restore their numbers quickly. If there is a duel between Raelag and Sareth (which I really want to see), then most likely Raelag will lose, because Sareth must survive (according to the scenario) until the moment where he chooses which side to take.
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Markel-da, a powerful warlock.
Actually, that's not necessarily true. Markel clearly stands out among other necromancers because, in the past, he was not a mage but a knight. And his methods are also special in this regard. While he has mastered necromantic rituals and easily controls the undead, unlike mage-necromancers, his main weapon is a sharp tongue and the mind of a true intriguer.
Actually, that's not necessarily true. Markel clearly stands out among other Necromancers because he used to be a Knight, not a mage. And his methods are special in this regard. While he has mastered necromantic rituals and easily controls the undead, unlike mage-necromancers, his main weapon is a sharp tongue and the mind of a true intriguer.
Biara, for example, was even better at intrigues. And if you judge a hero's strength from a plot perspective, then if she had truly had her own will, she would have destroyed everyone without resorting to weapons. And only by uniting could they defeat her. Kha-Belekh is also cool, with his blitzkrieg. But the coolest of all will be Sareth, who, the scoundrel, killed Arantir...
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Actually, that's not necessarily true. Markel clearly stands out among other necromancers because he wasn't a mage in the past, but a knight. And his methods are special in this regard. While he has mastered necromantic rituals and easily controls the undead, unlike mage-necromancers, his main weapon is a sharp tongue and the mind of a true intriguer.
Actually, it's a fact. He managed to kill Cyrus and his titans, as well as Godric's archangels. He managed to cloud Isabel's mind. He protected himself with powerful magic. Let his main weapon be his brain + tongue, but still, as a sorcerer, he is strong. And there are quite a few knight-necromancers. Ornella, Giovanni, Deidre, Lucretia - these are the most famous. Maybe there are others.
There are quite a few knight-necromancers. Ornella, Giovanni, Deidre, Lucretia – these are the most famous. Perhaps there are others.
Even the castle was built by architects who used to serve humans. The Gothic style of the Middle Ages is directly related to knighthood. Dead, but still knighthood :) There's no magic here at all. Although I've strayed from the topic, I've always been surprised that Necropolis castles look more like human castles than Academy castles. Markel doesn't know when to stop. How would you rank the top 5 strongest heroes?
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Markel doesn't know when to stop.
I don't understand.
How would you rank the top 5 strongest heroes?
It's quite difficult to rank from 3rd to 5th place, but still:
Young, promising – nonsense, Zehir's youth will pass, and he will die, and all his prospects are based on his father's efforts and the magic of the genies.
He hasn't lost a single battle – that says a lot.
I'm talking about the influence on the army through attack and defense parameters, that is, about the game mechanics. Here, the Overlord clearly has more of these parameters than the others.
Only attack and defense? No magic or knowledge? The Overlord and Biara are completely equal in this regard (from the last mission of the original game), and in general, it depends on how you develop them. For example, Faidaen visited so many trainers and ran so many maps that in the final battle with Kha-Beleth, his defense was around 70, and the other parameters were accordingly high.
Bonuses – ordinary bonuses in the form of "attack bonus," "defense bonus," initiative, etc., everything that depends on the hero.
Oh, now that we're talking about initiative, Railag is in a league of his own here; his "Master of Initiative" ability is clearly the most powerful, and "Terrifying Aura" is no worse than the Overlord's "Aura of Speed."
The same as above. Gotay has high attack and a well-developed cry, so he influences his troops well.
Hmm, Godric has decent defense and influences troops with improved prayer and magic; you could say the same about any warrior hero. And why Gotay, and not Kujin?
How is that "not noticed"? He possesses first-class Chaos magic, casts "Hell Wave," and can teleport his form anywhere.
His spells were countered by Tieru and Arantir. If we're talking about who possesses what, then: Arantir – Summoning and Darkness (naturally, first-class), Zehir – Summoning, etc., and so on. And any more or less trained League mage can teleport his form. So, the Overlord's magic stats are quite average, if not less.
And who was it that spoke badly about his abilities? I don't remember anyone.
Well, Zehir, for example. In the finale of the original game, he says that their magic is far superior to the Overlord's, and to the followers of Sar-Elam.
And Railag is clearly out of place here; he's far from Kha-Beleth and Markel.
Well, if the ruler of Igg-Shail (i.e., one of the strongest mages of Ashan by default) is out of place here, then only Sar-Elam can be put here.
Without him, Saret cannot destroy Ashan.
Why is that? Will the demons become sad or refuse to recognize Saret as the new Overlord without the Overlord? Maybe it won't be the legions of demons that devastate Ashan, but only Saret and the Overlord? So, let's be consistent, and if we're going to write about the Overlord as one of the "fate-deciders of Ashan," then we should include at least the other 7 rulers, or just Saret and, in a more distant and global perspective, Ash and her companions.
After which cutscene? He united Igg-Shail and went after Isabel. And he completely forgot that he was the leader. It was Ilaya who finally united the dark elves.
After the final cutscene of Lords of the Realm. Ultimately, yes, it was Ilaya, but Railag started it and showed that it was quite possible (by the way, Railag is the second after Tuidhana as the only leader of the dark elves, which speaks to his strength).
And then Ashan will be horrified to learn that they have arrived, but they will not be able to stop the Overlord in his intentions.
Ashan won't notice this or won't care, because in Dark Messiah, there is no sense of fear of the coming apocalypse; only the undead are worried about it.
That's exactly it; the Order was strong and influential. And now all its legacy has gone to a not-so-reliable being who is willing to incinerate the world for Isabel.
It always was, and remains so. Railag's infatuation with Isabel is, of course, his main flaw, but if it weren't for that, Railag probably wouldn't have become one of the most famous and powerful heroes in Ashan.
And I think that Ubisoft will make two versions of the story.
It's quite possible that the player will be given the right to choose, but the canonical ending will be "good," and the further plot will develop accordingly (as in Star Wars).
If there is a duel between Railag and Saret (which I really want to see), then Railag will most likely lose because Saret must survive (according to the script) until the moment when he chooses which side to take.
Their duel may take place after Saret's choice (if he destroys the walls of Shi'o). Railag wins, and Ash awakens (not for nothing has she been recovering for so long) and drives the demons back: D. Here is a possible happy ending. Dyrman
For example, Biara's intrigues were even better :)
Better – not necessarily better; it's debatable, but Markel pulled everything off "legally," so to speak, which requires more skill than pretending to be someone.
Markel doesn't know when to stop.
Actually, yes, the Empire wasn't enough for him; he also wants Irolan
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He hasn't lost a single battle – that says a lot.
He couldn't stop either Markel, Arantir, or Gothia while they were roaming his lands.
Only attacks and defenses? No magic or knowledge? The Overlord and Biaara are completely equal in this regard (from the last mission of the original game), and in general, it depends on how you develop them. For example, Faidaen visited so many upgrade locations and explored so many maps that in the final battle with Kha-Beleth, his defense was around 70, and the other parameters were accordingly high.
The Overlord has more parameters than Biaara. Faidaen has 70? That's impossible. There aren't that many upgrades in the entire game. I also visit all the upgrade locations and explore all the maps, and I only get a maximum of 30-35. Magic and Knowledge do not affect the army.
Oh, since we're talking about initiative, Railag is in a league of his own here; his "Master of Initiative" ability is clearly the most powerful, and "Terrifying" is no worse than the Overlord's "Aura of Speed."
Railag's ability is balanced by the Overlord's ability. Railag reduces it by 1%, the Overlord increases it by the same amount.
Hmm, Godric has decent defense and influences troops with improved prayer and magic; you could say the same about any warrior hero. And why Gothia, and not Kujin?
Gothia's attack can reach 80, and his defense can reach 50 if you explore everything and check everywhere. Kujin won't even reach 40. Godric also influences troops well, but he can't have such high parameters.
His spells were dispelled by Tieru and Arantir. If we're talking about who is skilled in what, then: Arantir - Summoning and Darkness (of course, the best ones), Zehir - Summoning, etc., and any reasonably trained mage of the League can teleport his form. So, the Overlord's indicators in terms of magic are quite average, if not less.
Tieru is also a good mage, especially since she is skilled in Light, which the Overlord cannot do. Tieru herself said: "a half-demon will come who will master all the magic of Urgash" - and Agrail was immediately frightened. The Overlord is even more skilled in it. And Arantir, Zehir - they are specialists in their fields. Each has their own abilities, each has their own needs. The Overlord doesn't need Summoning, Light, or Darkness (in particular), and Arantir and Zehir are not masters of Chaos. Only powerful, ancient mages could teleport their form. There are only two of them - the Overlord and Tieru. And no mage of the League has been seen doing this. Tieru is gifted with special dragon magic to counter demons; it is not a fact that Arantir dispelled the spell cast by the Overlord; it could have been Biaara, or someone else entirely.
Yes, Zehir, for example. In the final of the original game, he says that their magic is far superior to the Overlord's, the followers of Sar-Elam.
He said: "Sar-Ilam was a much stronger mage than Kha-Beleth." And Sar-Ilam is a dragon. So, let's not go back to them. We were just talking about teleporting to the Silver Cities.
Well, if the ruler of Igg-Shail (i.e., one of the strongest mages of Ashan by default) is unnecessary here, then only Sar-Elam can be put here.
Who is Railag compared to Markel and the Overlord? Zero, that's who. Being the ruler of Igg-Shail doesn't mean you're a great mage. Ilaya was also a ruler of the dark elves. Cyrus ruled all the Silver Cities. However, this does not mean that they are powerful mages. Markel was able to subjugate two kingdoms and raise legions of the undead. Mentioning the Overlord is superfluous.
Why is that? Without the Overlord, the demons will fall into despair or refuse to recognize Sareth as the new Overlord? Perhaps it won't be legions of demons that devastate Ashan, but only Sareth and the Overlord? So, let's be consistent, and if we write the Overlord among the "fate-weavers of Ashan," then we should include the other at least 7 rulers, or only Sareth and, in a more distant and global perspective, Ash and his companions.
No, but it is said that Sareth will release his father, and the world will collapse. This means that the Overlord will be involved. The other rulers are irrelevant here; no matter what they do, they will not be able to stop/destroy Ashan. Only the Overlord with the help of Sareth. Let's forget about the dragons.
After the final video of the Lords of the Horde. Ultimately, yes, Ilaya, but Railag started it and showed that it is quite possible (by the way, Railag is the second after Tuidhana, the only leader of the dark elves, which speaks to his strength)
I'll write about everything else later.
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Raelag's ability is balanced by the Overlord's ability. Raelag reduces initiative by 1%, while the Overlord increases it by the same amount.
In the first expansion, Raelag's ability is even better. He increases the initiative of his own troops by 1% and reduces the initiative of enemy troops by 1%, so in terms of his ability, he is truly unmatched.
Faidaen has 70? That can't be. There aren't that many throughout the game. I also go through all the buffs and all the maps, and I only get a maximum of 30-35.
And I'm not surprised. Faidaen can be really well-developed if you try. I had around 50 defense, and I didn't use all the possibilities that were available.
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After the final cutscene of the Horde Masters. Ultimately - yes, Eliya, but Railag set the precedent and showed that it is entirely possible (by the way, it seems Railag is the second unified chief of the dark elves after Tuidhana, which speaks to his strength)
Still, Eliya. The demon worshippers were not eradicated forever; Menelag and Fenrig remained alive, for example. The fact that he is a chief doesn't speak to his strength. Tuidhana was chief because she suggested a handful of elves flee to the dungeons and switch to Malassa's side. Eliya was chief, but one cannot claim that she is strong.
Ashan won't know this or won't give it any importance, because in Dark Messiah there is no sense of fear regarding the coming apocalypse; only the necromancers are worried about it.
When Ashan finds out that their "wise and mighty" leaders are not so wise and mighty, there will be general disappointment, or perhaps even horror that they cannot be protected from it.
He always was, and remains so. And Railag's obsession with Isabel is, of course, his main flaw, although how is it a flaw—if not for it, Railag would hardly have become one of the most famous and strongest heroes in Ashan.
No, you can't compare a single Tiera to the once great Order, which had many followers and mighty allies. The Dragon Knights died out, the heirs degenerated. In short, with Railag's death, the Order will finally fade away and be tossed into the wastebasket of Ashan's history.
It's quite possible that the player will be given the choice, but the canonical ending will be the "good" one, according to which the further plot will develop (like in Star Wars).
Not necessarily; I think there will be two equal endings, as in Dark Messiah. And how is it in Star Wars?
Their duel could take place after Sareth's choice (if he destroys the walls of Shio). Railag wins, and Asha wakes up (she didn't spend all that time recovering for nothing) and drives the demons back. Here is a possible happy-end variant)
If the duel happens after Sareth's choice, Railag has little chance of winning. But we know nothing about how events will unfold. In my opinion, the killing of Railag would look very dramatic. It would be much more interesting than Sareth's defeat. If Asha wakes up, then Urgash will wake up too, and vice versa. In this case, against the backdrop of the battle of the dragons, both Railag and Sareth, and perhaps even Kha-Beleth himself, will perish as pawns in a grand game.
In the first add-on, Railag's ability is even better. He increases the initiative of his troops by 1% and decreases the enemy's initiative by 1%, so in terms of his ability, he truly has no competition.
I am apparently poorly informed. In that case, yes, in terms of initiative, Railag has no competition.
And I'm not surprised. Findana can indeed be leveled up very effectively if you try. I had defense around 50, and I didn't even use all the available possibilities.
Well, I am very surprised. That might be possible with artifacts. Otherwise, unlikely, except in exceptional cases where defense rolls more often. Let's analyze. Suppose that by the 5th mission of the 6th Campaign, Faendran is level 33 and has higher education. That is, to the 5 starting parameters, another 33 and another 16 will be added. Total: 5+49 parameters. There are definitely 2 defense (out of 5 initial). 30-40% of the received parameter units are allocated to defense. Taking everything to the maximum: defense becomes 2+0.4*49~=22. In Faendran's game, i.e., 7 missions (not counting the last one), there are about a dozen Marletto towers and 7 arenas. If you take only defense in the arenas, it turns out that 24 additional are added to the 22 standard parameters. Total 46. Well, it roughly works out, but it's at the expense of robbing other parameters, specifically attack.
Not necessarily, I think there will be two equally valid endings, like in Dark Messiah.
But the further plot needs to be based on something, or should it follow two parallel storylines? And in Dark Messiah, the story remained unfinished, and this conclusion should eventually come, with a clear interpretation.
And how about in Star Wars?
The player chooses between the Sith and the Jedi, and naturally, when playing as the Sith, they have to kill key characters in the finale, who then, as if nothing happened, decide the fate of the galaxy (Revan, Darth Vader). That is, the player is given a choice, but only one ending is recognized as canonical, and the further plot is built around it.
I am very surprised by this. It might happen with artifacts, but otherwise, it's unlikely, except in exceptional cases when defense drops more often.
Let me clarify that this is not the Faidaen with 70 defense, but it's still quite strong. This is Findan before the final battle with the Overlord from the Gold Edition, which I currently have installed. I had Faidaen with 70 defense during my first playthrough of version 1.0, which I have long since deleted. Since it was my first time playing, I explored every nook and cranny, visited all the upgrade locations, and always aimed for the maximum level. During my second playthrough, speed became a priority, so I didn't explore everything and didn't take every upgrade. I should also note that I didn't take any education in either playthrough. And the hero's level should be around 40, but it was lowered with each mission.
But the further plot needs to be based on something, or should we have two parallel storylines? And in Dark Messiah, the story remained unfinished, and this conclusion must eventually happen, and with a definitive interpretation.
We don't know for sure what should happen after the demons are released. We can assume that they will be driven back again.
The player chooses between the Sith and the Jedi, and naturally, when playing as the Sith, you have to kill key characters in the finale, who then, as if nothing happened, decide the fate of the galaxy (Revan, Darth Vader). That is, the player is given a choice, but only one ending is recognized as canonical, according to which the further plot is built.
I don't argue, but still, the victory of the demons can also become the main ending.
[I'll say right away that this is not the Faidaen with 70 defense, but he is also very strong. This is Faidaen before the final battle with the Overlord from the Gold Edition, which I currently have. I had Faidaen with 70 defense during my first playthrough of the game, version 1.0, which has long been deleted. Since I was playing it for the first time, I explored all the nooks and crannies, all the upgrade locations, and always took the maximum level. And during the second playthrough, speed became a priority, so I didn't explore everything, I didn't take everything. I note that in none of the playthroughs did I take education. And the hero's level should be around 40, but with each start of the missions, it was lowered/QUOTE] Still, I don't believe it about 70. I explored everything myself, but I didn't have that. There definitely aren't that many upgrade locations in the game for Faidaen so that all the stats in total would give as much as 140. No, I don't believe it. I need to check. This can accumulate if you exploit each mission and bring the hero to level 40. At the beginning of the next mission, the hero's level is reduced to the possible one, but the parameters remain. I did this with Markal, and he was even stronger than the Overlord.
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With all due respect to Arantir, I think Kha-Belekh is stronger, because as far as I know, the demon lords were equal to the elemental drakons of Ashan.