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Tolik, the issue isn't just one video – it's not hard to make. The problem is that you'll spend time on it, and then he'll say, "Give me a video of the next day, like how you got into the boat," but I don't understand, because there isn't a boat on the map... He's just being annoying.
It's okay, I've gotten the hang of it, and I can record all the moves in a video. Well, if he wants to figure things out, why not help him? I've already spent so much time on the tournament; hopefully, by tomorrow, I'll have enough to get him a gift for his birthday.)))

Here's a recording of the second day: http://zalil.ru/33521226
Война фигня! Главное - маневры!!
А так играют Мастера! :smile13:
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Regarding the "hero digger," I'll point out to newbies that a merged hero never goes first in the stack. That is, you save at least 2500 gold.
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Do you think it immediately gives the desired hero first in the list???? Unbelievable. Of course, to hire the desired hero, everyone buys the first available one, and only THEN the "hero digger" gives the next one, which is the one we are looking for. In total, we spend 5000 gold on the desired hero. The thing is, when we buy him, we order the next desired one under him, and so on... This is a standard procedure; you can play this way even without the program, just if the desired one doesn't appear, load the save and buy again, look... A couple of hours of time - the desired one will appear... The "excavator" just saves the player's time.
This is what I mean when I talk about newbies...


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medstrax
Dogs bark, but the caravan moves on. I asked to have it uploaded...
Dirty_Player
If you want to figure it out, ask for STEP-BY-STEP saves, where literally every step of each hero is saved. Don't be lazy, go through all 1000+ saves, and such stupid questions will disappear, and the rest will be answered with pleasure. Otherwise, it looks like you're just being stingy.
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Tolikandro
Yeah, it's fine, I've gotten the hang of it, and I can even record all the moves on video. But if someone wants to understand, why not help?

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За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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Here are a hundred detailed step-by-step walkthroughs from the winner.

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Part 2
Война фигня! Главное - маневры!!
А так играют Мастера! :smile13:
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Tolikandro ^^
If he translates it, I'll give you a 40$ discount on a game.
Try to convince him) we need to teach the newbies :)
I remembered a joke) "Give me some pills for greed, and a lot of them"

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By the way, Tolik, do you ever log into ICQ? Can you log in, I have a couple of questions for you :)
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Yeah, it's fine. I've gotten the hang of it, and I can even record all the moves in a video. If someone wants to figure things out, why not help them?
Then that's great! Will you do all the days? It would be even better to record the battles... ))) With our combined efforts, we can bring the walkthrough description to an acceptable and high-quality version... at least good enough for a museum. Well, and if the opponent still finds that insufficient, I think we'll manage...
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Tolikandro ^^
By the way, do you ever log into ICQ? Can you log in, I have a couple of questions for you :)

Yes, when necessary, I'm there now.
Война фигня! Главное - маневры!!
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zalil.ru is still down... :( The video isn't really needed here – unless to watch how difficult battles are completed, which would be interesting and useful for everyone. But the actions of a human player can be viewed in a recording using the HD mod, as already mentioned: this would eliminate 99.99% of all questions about cheating. Personally, I also don't consider using programs like the aforementioned Prospector (a powerful tool, although I haven't tried it yet), using cheats for scouting, hero digging, etc., to be particularly honorable. But since the tournament rules allow it, players use them. Playing for a result requires the player to make the most accurate calculations of their actions and to optimize them to the maximum; here, every step worth 100 MP matters. For example, from the description and discussion of the battle with Deemer on the Heroes Portal, it became clear to me that he was defeated only because the AI was acting very stupidly, and to win, it was necessary to find a position in which the AI would act exactly as we needed. :) DmitriyAS:
In fact, there is so much strategic and tactical material in the battle with Deemer (the AI's stupidity is the main factor) that I will not be surprised if a couple more options for completing this battle appear.
And I don't find anything heroic in this either. Obviously, in a "fair" way, if the AI didn't act so stupidly, it would not have been possible to defeat Deemer with such a balance of power. And I'm not even talking about: if a human were controlling him!..
Воскресайте, камінні душі, Розчиняйте серця і чоло, Щоб не сказали Про вас грядущі: їх на землі не було…
(Василь Симоненко. Люди – прекрасні)
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zalil.ru is still down... :(
The video isn't really needed – unless you want to watch how difficult battles are completed; this would be interesting and useful for everyone. But the actions of a human player can be viewed in a recording using the HD mod, as already mentioned: this would eliminate 99.99% of all questions about cheating.
Personally, I also don't think that using programs like the aforementioned Prospector (a powerful tool, although I haven't tried it yet), using cheats for scouting, hero digging, etc., is particularly honorable. But since the tournament rules allow it, players use them. Playing for a result requires the player to make the most accurate calculations of their actions and optimize them to the maximum; here, every step worth 100 movement points matters.
For example, from the description and discussion of the battle with Deemer on the forum, it became clear to me that he was defeated only because the AI was acting very stupidly, and to win, it was necessary to find a position in which the AI would act exactly as we need it to. :) And I don't find any valor in that either. Obviously, if the AI didn't act stupidly, it would not have been possible to defeat Deemer with such a balance of forces in a "fair" way. I'm not even talking about what would happen if a human controlled him!..

I don't know for sure, but maybe the author intended the battle against Deemer to be without mana. Then the AI won't act stupidly. Try downloading my battle with Deemer. There, the fight takes place without mana :) he doesn't act stupidly there... there was just a calculation of how to correctly position our figures to defeat him.
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Ah, I hope someone will find a master who can beat me on this map)

Are you satisfied now? :)
iceTiTaN

Maximum, I think, is the theoretical best time that can be achieved on this map. But I think no one will be able to beat even my time... let alone the maximum time I estimate.

You were probably aiming for first place :D

By the way, what do you think the "maximum" time on this map was? ))

How much beer did you bet? :D
Сейчас балуюсь этим https://vcmi.eu/download/
За то что нейтралы не бегают за единичкой, для меня это уже стоит того
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medstrax
It's perfectly natural that someone who wants to earn 100 bucks should justify their right to them. Right?
It's always like that.
First, the top players perceive 100 bucks as a gesture of support – like, put on a good show, play well, and I'll even take off my last pair of pants for the prize.
But when it's time to pay up, they say, "justify it," "earn it"... It's just like a foreman on a construction site with a crew of runaway Romanians...
What's the point? I think that in our time, 100 bucks, especially when split between three winners, has no commercial value.
You could barely buy a night with a cat for that money.
Just give it up, or say you don't have it.

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Marmot
And I don't see any heroism in that either. Obviously, in a "fair" way, if the AI wasn't glitching, with such a balance of power, Deemer wouldn't have been able to win. Not to mention if a human was controlling him!
Dear Sir!
There is no HEROISM in this.
Do you really think that a player of DmitryAS's caliber wouldn't be able to lose against Deemer if "fairness" was emphasized?
You should rather think about whether a player of your caliber can win against Deemer!
Истинно говорю вам: 21 декабря 2012 года Земля налетит на небесную ось!


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Endless and rather cumbersome challenges, again and again... Heroes of Might and Magic, once a magnificent and balanced game, has become outdated about five years ago – playing it purely for enjoyment no longer impresses anyone (almost anyone, with a few rare exceptions). The younger generation is hooked on Dota and Lineage... And the old-school strategists have adapted Heroes of Might and Magic to their needs, creating numerous restrictions in the offline rules – solely to reduce the statistical variance of scenarios, and they have developed quite advanced tools for analysis (logic, mathematics, and probability theory prevail – again, with the aim of reducing the probabilistic nature of the game) and rely on the intellectual component of Heroes of Might and Magic – fortunately, it is well-developed here... That's the whole picture... They don't need a raw, blind version of the game – like a wild ancestor wandering aimlessly across the prairie with a spear in hand and flinching at every shadow – it's interesting from the perspective of a naturalist, but nothing more... No, our modern player has at least a jeep, a GPS navigator, an SVD with optics, a complete set of satellite maps, and a weather forecast... )) And that's chess in its full form... So, we can understand the "aborigines" who simply enjoy the wild and unexplored game field, but our goals are different... And arguing here is, at the very least, foolish... Especially trying to prove our point. We are playing different games... And this explains the mismatch and some misunderstanding in the game tactics that emerged in today's discussion... I play for results, I don't violate the internal physics of the game, BUT I save my time, I am ready to justify each of my moves at the level of mathematics/physics/logic, I respect the work of the "special forces" who do everything twice as fast as me, and I don't care (sorry, but I don't want to be hypocritical, I'm just being honest) about the sentimental ramblings of the "botanists" who enjoy the music and the beauty of the landscape... If a map is completed in one day, it means the dawn will not break. Thank you for your understanding.
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I think the tournament turned out well.
There were many battles, and they were all interesting.
Hypnotizing with victims – that’s something that has never happened before. And how many years have we been playing as heroes?

The map scared me personally. Spending 24 days on management – what’s the point? All the same can be shown in a three- to five-day playthrough. I don’t have that much real time. Besides, I had a bad feeling after the awkward starting saves with visited tents: something is wrong here, and it will end badly.
In any case, I think that proving where the angels come from in the game, how much money should be earned per turn, or why Deemer is so stupid and accusing newcomers of cheating is not a worthy activity for a gentleman.
Arrogant noobs should be fed manure.
Истинно говорю вам: 21 декабря 2012 года Земля налетит на небесную ось!


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In any case, I believe that arguing about the origin of angels in the game, how much gold should be earned per turn, or why Deemer is so stupid, to the point of accusing new players of cheating, is not a worthy pursuit for a gentleman.
Arrogant newbies should be dealt with harshly.
Vanya, they don't have that much experience... Make him use a butterfly to defeat a legion of dendroids - he won't understand why it's necessary...))) What's the point of wasting time arguing?
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Are you satisfied now? :)

I believe I calculated the theoretical best possible time to complete this map. But I doubt anyone will even come close to beating my time, let alone the theoretical best.

I bet you were hoping for first place :D

By the way, what do you think the "maximum" time for this map is? ))

How much beer did you lose? :D

=) I was just trying to stir up some interest, especially after a disastrous start due to a buggy save file. I needed to get people excited about the game...
Initially, I wasn't aiming for first place, or even fifth. I just wanted to have fun and play through the map because I really enjoyed it. But then I had a pretty good run, and I started hoping for at least third place.
I had this idea to fight Deemer without using any mana... and the strategy and resource management were so well-planned, including adding Hydras and executing the battles beautifully. It showed that the optimal army for winning is built around day 2.3.1.
Why 2.3.1? Because before that, our "Hero Dad" wouldn't be able to collect all the attack bonuses in time, and even 1200 Archangels wouldn't be enough for the battle.

I thought that with my strategy, the theoretical best time could be 2.2.1, which would require some effort, but it's realistic.
And to achieve the absolute best time of 2.1.1, you'd need an extra +5 Archangel.
But look how it all turned out) The pros didn't even delve deep into the map; they figured out the perfect strategy just from watching it once, using air magic.)))
I'M HAPPY!
My friend was just playing for fun, and he didn't have much time to play. He finished in around 300 days. He was just joking around when he said he was better than me at Heroes 3, so we made a bet) He's a man of his word) and I got to enjoy some good draft beer)

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