COMPETITION FOR MONEY $$$ (2012) — Tournament history (offline)

AmberSoler

14 years ago

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Tolyan, everything is fine! We will greet you like a hero. Come back! ))) And clowns are clowns... ))) Peter I instructed that the most outlandish orders should be made the most beautiful and extravagant - specifically for clowns. And normal, heroic medals and orders were always in the shadows, but they didn't lose their value because of that. So, the legends of the portal are actually just a popular title...

iceTiTaN

14 years ago

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For MEDSTRAKH, saves from the winner.
http://zalil.ru/33515905 daily saves.
http://zalil.ru/33515909 saves from key battles.
Medstrakh, try downloading the z10_Deemer file and defeating Deemer with this army.

If you can't manage it, there's a discussion about this battle in the Heroesportal forum. There, you can defeat him using several methods. I described one of them completely, with pictures.

AmberSoler

14 years ago

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At the request of the tournament winner (Lady Xeniya Sobchak, HP), I am quoting below a schematic walkthrough of the map First Blood, which she managed to complete in 24 in-game days.

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Well, so let's begin :) I don't have the strength to write a long detailed description. I'll try to outline the global plans :)
The hardest part on this map is the start; if you play it correctly, then the rest will go smoothly. Of course, speed play is only possible with the Book of Air. To get the Book, you need to collect 3 super-artifacts: MoD, AA, AotDK. All parts are available. For a quick start you need: to quickly kill 4000 Ice Demons, and twice. Landing on the swamp. Taking the Blue Tent. A marathon for the Book of Air followed by capturing all towns. Now point by point.

1. We'll kill the fish on day 8. For this we'll need 25 Angels, the maximum number of Monks, a Golden Bow, stat-boosting artifacts, and magic: Resurrection, Air Shield, Stone Skin. At the Barbarian respawn we only need a Dragon Utopia and the Captain's Hat. The Angels join easily, and the artifacts are lying around too. We take the Dragon Utopia with Vampires. We learn Resurrection from Jeddite using Eagle Eye. We'll get Air Shield from the Genies spawned at the Refugee Camp. The hero needs a lot of mana, Archery, and Earth magic. Meanwhile, we prepare a hero for the swim to the next set of fish.

2. At the moment of our landing after the fight with the Ice Demons, we meet the Purple computer, which shares with us the Cloak of the Undead King and the Sword of the Dead Knight. To reach the swamp in 2 days we need a hero with Expert Navigation and an Elixir of Intelligence. By that time, we will have assembled AotDK. AotDK is certainly cool, but stats drop significantly. Unexpectedly, it turned out the battle was even harder. We had to spend resources on upgrading the Angels.

3. To take the Blue Tent, we need to kill 666 Arch Devils in an anti-magic garrison. The anti-magic is not entirely anti-magic. AotDK works properly. We use this to our advantage, calmly shooting them down.

4. During the march for the Blue Tent, we must collect and upgrade all the Vampires. We need the Vampires to break into Pandora's Boxes with Faerie Dragons. We will also need MoD. We have all the parts of it. We'll knock the Shield out of Gervulf, and the Greaves from the Drowned Man in the center of the swamp respawn. To take the Book of Air we need 7 heroes, who run through the underground for over a week clearing boxes.

5. After getting the Book, three final battles remain: Gelu, Deemer, and Sandro. I don't want to describe the battle tactics; I suggest you try them. Below are the daily saves and saves of the key battles. If necessary, I can upload all of them, but they weigh a lot. I don't know what else to describe. Ask questions.

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Daily saves: http://zalil.ru/33515905
Saves of key battles: http://zalil.ru/33515909

The original of this article, as well as player discussion, can be seen on the HP forum:
http://www.heroesportal.net/tavern/?id=369491&pagenum=1

Marmot

14 years ago

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First of all, the best result is truly impressive: 24 days! I wonder who this Xeniya Sobchak is? :) I'm afraid to imagine how many days Ann Semenovich would take to complete "First Blood": probably 12!.. :D By the way, aren't the guys a little upset that a girl beat them? ;)
I wanted to upload saves from key battles, but they won't load: the server says either "Bad gateway" or "Gateway Time-out"! :( Maybe someone can re-upload them? I want to "learn by watching the experienced!" :)
I read what people are writing about the Walkthrough on HP. Here's what's sad (although I realized this a long time ago):
AmberSoler:

Why look at the map when you can look at the Prospector? ))) Nowadays, it's a completely different game... HMM is no longer a game, but a sport, as you rightly noted. There is no interest in playing the game, there is only interest in outperforming rivals...

http://www.heroesportal.net/tavern/?id=369491&pagenum=8

So, for strong players, "Heroes" has long ceased to be a game and has become a sport, so the process itself no longer brings them pleasure, but only the achieved result. And I'm glad for myself in that respect, that I'm unlikely to ever become such a player that I stop enjoying the game. If such a moment suddenly comes, I'll quit!
In this situation, I remember the words of the commander from the Arena:

You have already defeated the strongest. Go away!

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AmberSoler

14 years ago

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Marmot

I wanted to upload saves from key battles, but they won't load: the server keeps saying "Bad gateway" or "Gateway Time-out"! :( Could someone re-upload them? I want to "learn by watching the experienced players!" :)

There's a problem with the server on http://zalil.ru/
Let's just wait a bit...

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Tolikandro

14 years ago

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Marmot

By the way, don't the guys feel a bit bad that a girl outplayed them? ;)

I don't know about the others, but I'm already used to Ksyusha outplaying me ))) Although this time, she was mostly executing the ideas of a brilliant mind - Sir Anton, who always has a lot of ideas but is too lazy to implement them. And I haven't met a stronger player than him in Heroes of Might and Magic III offline yet. So everything is fine, maybe next time one of us will have the opportunity to implement his idea.

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medstrax

14 years ago

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I've only glanced at the winner's save files so far. But some questions have already arisen. At the end of day 1-1-6, there were only 15 angels available. At the end of day 1-1-7, there were suddenly 23. Where did the other 8 come from?
The same question arose regarding Tolkandrov's save files. Where did Oris get 1 angel on 1-1-4? No buildings were constructed in the cities, and no hidden resources were taken...
I'll take a closer look over the weekend, if possible. I have a serious feeling that at least the top 2 places (I haven't looked at Aistitan's save files) were achieved through cheating/hacking. If you can convince me otherwise, I'll be happy.
P.S. Regarding learning the Resurrection skill with Zheddit. I tried replaying the save files.
Ksyusha Sobchak, Zheddit isn't coming to us. I once played this map for a long time myself, and I can't remember the red faction ever coming in the first week.
P.P.S. Oops, I got carried away about Zheddit.

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AmberSoler

14 years ago

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medstrax

P.S. Oops, I got carried away about Jeddite.

I think you also got carried away about cheats/hacking... Ksenia will answer questions if they are asked on the HP, it's unlikely she will here...

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medstrax

14 years ago

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It very well could be. But I just can't understand how you can add 8 angels to an army in a single day without any growth or hidden resources. And without cheats!))
Oh, I see where the angels joined, in the editor they are just monsters7. Let's see what happens next.
I looked, and I have a question, where did the 4 angels come from on day 1-1-4?
Oh, I see, there are supplies. I haven't played this map in a while, I forgot, sorry.

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AmberSoler

14 years ago

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medstrax

I've only glanced at the winner's save files so far. But some questions have already arisen. At the end of day 1-1-6, there were only 15 angels available. At the end of day 1-1-7, there were SUDDENLY 23. Where did the other 8 come from?

Sylvia is moving towards a stack of neutral angels that guard the +4 attack/defense crown. And she joins them...
Usually, the weak one tries to accuse the strong one of maphacking... unfortunately.

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medstrax

14 years ago

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We don't want to accuse anyone; we want to understand what happened. $100 is a small amount, but we wouldn't want to pay it to cheaters. That's why we want to understand and investigate.
We've noticed some things, and other things are still unclear. Therefore, it would be fair if we asked for explanations regarding certain occurrences in the save files.

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AmberSoler

14 years ago

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medstrax

I took a look, and I have a question: where did the 4 angels on 1-1-4 come from?

Both conservatories have been visited. The first has 2 angels, the second has 3.

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medstrax

We don't want to accuse anyone; we want to understand. $100 is a small amount, but we wouldn't want to pay it to cheaters. Hence, the desire to understand and verify.
We've seen some things, and some things are still unclear. Therefore, it would be fair if we ask for explanations for certain phenomena in the save files.

Simple questions about obvious things lead to reflections – can you understand how complex battles were conducted, how turn management on the map was organized, etc.? After all, no one will be able to explain the entire process to you step by step. There are 865 step-by-step saves in the archive – will you study them yourself?

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medstrax

14 years ago

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Let's set aside the criticisms of AmberSoler for now. A question arose regarding the finances. On day 1, after the ending, we have 4530; by the end of day 2, we have 230. The income was 2000, plus X from the respawn. The expenses are at least 2 x 500 (taverns) + 8 x 2500 (heroes) = 21000. So, 4530 + 2000 + X - 21000 = 230. Calculating X, we get X = 13700. I tried to get 13700 from the respawn with this final hero configuration, but I couldn't. Perhaps Ksyusha can share how she managed to do it?

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AmberSoler

Can you understand how complex battles were conducted, how turn management on the map was organized, etc.?

Even while watching the first week, not very attentively, I noticed several flaws in turn management. This leads me to suspect that the result is, in fact, achieved through cheating. No one would make such mistakes in the result itself. As for how to conduct complex battles, I'm afraid there's no one here who can teach me. I once presented a rather complex battle from the Xiedu map, and practically no one responded to that save. This gives me pause.

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Antoshka

14 years ago

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medstrax

A question arose regarding the money. On day 1, after the ending, we have 4530; at the end of day 2, we have 230. The income was 2000, plus X from the respawn. The expenses are at least 2x500 (taverns) + 8x2500 (heroes) = 21000. So, 4530 + 2000 + X - 21000 = 230
Calculating X = 13700. I tried to get 13700 from the respawn with this final hero configuration, but I couldn't. Maybe Ksyusha can share how she managed to do it?

Let's calculate more accurately and carefully.
Firstly, it's not 13700, but 14700 (use a calculator).
Secondly, just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean it won't work for someone else who tries.
In Inham's respawn: 3 chests 1000+1000+2000=4000
In Dessa's respawn: 7 piles of gold 600/1000/500/900/500/600/600=4700
3 chests 2000/2000/1500=5500
1 watermill 500
TOTAL: 14700

Even when watching the first week, I noticed several mistakes in the turn management. And this makes me suspect that the result is, after all, a cheat.

I've already read a couple of your posts, and it makes me suspect that someone here is just talking nonsense.

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Tolikandro

14 years ago

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medstrax

I have a strong feeling that the first 2 places, at least (I didn't look at the IceTitan saves), were achieved through cheating/hacking. If you can convince me otherwise, I'll be happy.

If a person with a talent for self-suggestion gets an idea stuck in their head, it will be difficult to dissuade them, no matter how many proofs you provide. I've played in many tournaments and won dozens, and my saves have been studied many times by serious and experienced players. My reputation is impeccable. Here's the tournament history if you're interested: http://heroesportal.net/profile.php?id=28689&type=ratings.

As for the questions regarding the saves, I will definitely answer them all. Although, it's worth thinking about it a bit, and the answers will come to you on their own. By the way, when IceTitan looked at my saves, he also asked me a question about the Angels and then answered it himself.

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