Posts from Турниры HeroesWorld Cup & World Cup - 2012

Neo, if you want to play "the last word," play with someone else: remembering your behavior at the poker table in Kyiv, I would prefer not to continue these pointless dialogues with you, because your inadequate perception of reality, and I can only describe your idle speculations about "anti-cheat" and "risk minimization" in this way, does not in any way contribute to solving the problem. Any idiot can see that the possibility of cheating has not been completely eliminated. So, instead of "talking nonsense," which is what you, my dear friend, are doing here (and this is my subjective observation, pardon me, based on many of your posts in this thread), I suggest you offer something constructive. Make it so that the map cannot be opened. Or, create a version of the game "Heroes 3 Neo" in which it is impossible to cheat...
As for what I specifically did (this is in response to the topic of "lying...") - let the Community judge that. We organized CIS-2012 (Ukraine was also invited...). My role as an organizer was far from insignificant, which can be confirmed by both the participants and the other organizers.
So, I like to talk (because this action also requires certain skills) - but I also get things done.
With that, I take my leave and wish you well: as they say, "kiss my ass and be healthy"...

P.S. For the organizers. Always remember that you, as an organizer, do NOT belong to yourself!

Right now, a more pressing question is: who will be able to bring the tournament to a conclusion?

Because we're just discussing and discussing, which is fun and interesting, but I only see one participant in the tournament – namely, Neo. And yet, this tournament is more for the participants than for the viewers.

And I don't think that Maretti, ProtossArchon, Tiamath, Herowly, Thinker & vitalic are particularly concerned about who has lost trust in whom here. The guys were just playing, and then suddenly – this happened.

Therefore, who has any ideas about continuing the tournament? Most of our organizers are unavailable, either because they are busy with Rebel's project or because they lack contacts with foreign communities. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Saga and Lizard. But the big question is whether they even want to.

Another option is to ask someone from the foreign organizers.

I can afford it because I represent the interests of a government agency in court when appealing actions...

And I want to convey to you that neither emotions nor the logic of the parties will influence the court's decision if there is a sufficient level of judicial competence. And this is correct – materials and evidence are all that the court needs...

Pasha, we are getting off topic.
There are materials and evidence. They need to be presented to the court for evaluation. Vic and I are saying that they should be presented using logic, not emotions.

Because no matter how much one tries to appeal to pity or emotions in court, the decision will be made in favor of the logical connection between the materials and evidence and the letter of the law, even if the latter seems unfair.

Merlinu.
You have gone into some kind of wilderness with incomprehensible aggression towards me. Regarding constructive criticism - perhaps you only read the forum in fragments - go back several pages, for example, to the end of this post /post/582068/. As for the assessment of your constructive contribution:

As for what I specifically did (this relates to the topic about "talking nonsense...") - let the Community judge it.

, you received it instantly.

Merlin, go get some sleep :)

P.S. There is no longer any constructive discussion in the thread; instead, there is off-topic chatter after Oelm began criticizing Vic's writing style. And Sticky doesn't want to bring the Tournament to completion. The others are waiting in ambush.

Regarding the Chinese players' fast turns — they play StarCraft quickly too :)
It's just that this nation is truly capable of pressing buttons very rapidly.
When I played my first champ with the Chinese, I discussed this topic with their "father" — I complained that he seemed to take longer than me on his turns :)
And I'm used to playing in generally 1-2 minutes :)
To which the same Chinese player gave me a reasoned answer: they have a program that shows how much time each player spent on the game — it turned out to be something like my 144 minutes against his 136.
By the way, I only just realized that they sent me their program (which has a lighter and video recording of turns and battles), but as for having a time counter there — there was no such thing. For example, I was told that the Chinese have a resident program that shows the contents of the Dragon Utopia when hovering over it... maybe the time counter was in that one, and that's why we don't have that program?

To Vic: regarding the continuation of the champ, it is definitely necessary for Stiki to "sleep it off" first, and once he's had his sleep, finish this tournament.

To Vic: regarding the continuation of the championship, it’s definitely necessary for Sticky to “wake up” and, after resting, finish this tournament.

Be more realistic; Sticky’s stubbornness is geared towards escaping from, rather than moving towards.

Vik, you're being too categorical :) Why talk for Stiky? Or do you communicate with him a lot? It's not just Stiky who promotes the game in the global community. Many play on GR, showcase their skills, and communicate. And often, at first, you hear a dismissive attitude - "oh, they're Russians, they..." and then it's not very flattering... they're cheaters, dishonest, quarrelsome, etc. Imagine the wave that will follow if people like Maretti, Protos, even the Chinese, write the truth about the championship: that they wasted half a year of their lives, struggled in the bracket for victories, and then this Russian... (Stiky) screwed them over? So, Stiky, take a deep breath and be tougher. GL!

The show must go on. Unfortunately Sticky seems to be totally demoralised and doesn’t realize that despite some quarrels here on HW most people outside HW would like to see the tournament continue with him as the organizer. So Sticky I hope you will reconsider.

Despite the lack of an organizer I have encouraged Black Knight and Tiamath to play on. Tiamath won his game and will set up his game against Thinkeer. I also hope that Pit or Neoandy will come to their senses and realise that their withdrawal is a mistake that is ruining a lot to all the people who has an interest in the world cup. Rejoining will be an act of unselfishness whether it’s in the 1st or 2nd ladder.

Apparently there is some idea here on HW that Black_Knight is somehow a cheater or dishonest. I don’t know where this comes from, maybe he has made some bad move some years ago, but I know him well and have played him many times the recent years and to me there is nothing that indicates foul play from his side. So get over it.

The chineese play very fast compared to the Russians or the Russians are very slow compared to the chineese, depends whose eyes is looking. I’m pretty sure this has to do with different styles of play and nothing else. Russians buy a lot of heroes early and upgrade some army early too, they make many fights with scouts and discover a lot of ground early but also take a lot of loses. It’s a very time-consuming style. The Chinese buy less heroes, make less scout fights and count more on their production. And it seems they don’t waste any time when everything is moved.

From Maretti's side, it's nothing more than a provocation :D

From Maretti's side, this is nothing more than a provocation :D

Maretti has the right approach. If there's no organizer, we'll finish the tournament without him. A real man.

This is a diplomatic step from Maretti, aimed at bringing the started process to its conclusion. However, Maretti's desire alone is not enough, so I will offer my vision for the future.

Currently, there are 2 problems:
1. Closing the tournament on the organizer's website.
2. Resolving organizational issues regarding the upper bracket (Reb-Pit-Neo), as well as the lower bracket (Thinkeer).

The solution to these problems is as follows:
The remaining participants are waiting for active actions from Sticky, for example, until June 17, 2012, and if necessary, they will assist him in every possible way.
If nothing happens by the specified date, or if Sticky confirms earlier that he does not want to do anything, the management of organizational issues regarding the completion of the tournament will be transferred to the remaining participants.

The tournament bracket can be drawn on some external website. And all organizational issues can be resolved through an open vote of the remaining participants, and the tournament can be completed. So to speak - people's self-government.

Regarding the World Championship – well, if you really need it, then you can finalize it yourselves; I can only help by filling in the remaining slots.

Regarding Tinker – another Chinese player contacted me, and he said that Tinker is confused as to why he's being called a cheater. So, we agreed that I would ask him to write down some questions about the games. So, if you need that, go ahead. I'll translate and send them to you.

Questions are good.

Stiky, you're almost a man too :) I suggest that players choose the next moderator; I can continue, or you can ask Saga. Regarding Tinker - those who have played with him, please ask your questions.

Regarding Tinker, another Chinese player contacted me and said that Tinker is puzzled as to why he is being called a cheater.

Heh)) Did anyone really expect a sincere apology?))

We spoke with Maretti today. Regarding the Chinese player, we came to the following.

On HeroesWorld, players who have lodged complaints about his games will clearly and definitively formulate those complaints, preferably point by point. Then, as Sticky indicated, he will translate them for the Chinese player and receive explanations from him for each point. After analyzing both sides, the remaining participants will make one of three decisions:

1. If they are convinced of unfair play — a ban.
2. If they are convinced of fair play — he continues playing, and on HeroesWorld it will be noted that he is an honest player.
3. If they are convinced of neither the first nor the second, the Chinese player will be required to stream all his subsequent games in the tournament, starting before the map generation moment (it will also be possible to check network settings for a home network). True, Maretti has some concerns that there may be issues with streaming for Chinese players due to some kind of censorship (this will be clarified).

P.S.: In general, I think option No. 3 should be considered and adopted into the arsenal for combating unfair play. After all, it will not be uncommon for there to be doubts about honesty, but not quite enough for a clear map hack accusation. Applying option No. 3 would provide a response from the judges (the Arbitration Committee or similar bodies), and the player would understand that he is under scrutiny (if he was cheating, it's time to stop). Plus, judges won't have to get their hands dirty in dubious situations, and players will be protected from map hacking to some extent.

Therefore, Javdet and Gomunguls — it's up to you. If needed, I have save files of the Chinese player's games with Maretti.