Posts from Турниры HeroesWorld Cup & World Cup - 2012

Aren't there any patches for trees? As far as I know, no one has discovered them yet. The trees are even taken from the Stronghold heroes. So, there is no definitive proof, but 99% - they don't change.

Take a look in the latest interportal. Our game was with one of the Polish teams. They had text files for replacing skills.

But I noticed that in the 2nd game, the fighter receives an element not at level 4, but at level 3. Logically, if it's offered at level 3, then the probability of getting it at level 4 is high.

The element should be given at level 3, i.e., at level 4. It is also possible to get it later at level 4, i.e., at level 5, but with a normal probability.

The element should be granted at level 3, meaning on level 4. Receiving it later, at level 4, meaning on level 5, is also possible, but with the usual probability.

I didn't express myself correctly; Earth or Air were granted at level 3. At level 4, neither was offered, which seemed very strange.

When you read Pit's posts for LM, everything becomes crystal clear. It's all sensible and to the point. I had a question, and I received an answer. Not something like "maybe, or maybe not," and so on. Thank you for the clarification!

I was also asked to share my opinion... I didn't have time to look at the save files, maybe I'll get around to it later, or maybe I'll just be too lazy, especially since the other participants in the debate have already analyzed them quite thoroughly and convincingly. The level of analysis is quite high, both from the prosecution and the defense. Therefore, I just read the discussions here and on HP, and I formed an opinion. It is based on Rebel's testimony, his intonation, the arguments he chooses, and his attitude towards the accusers. I've been playing Mafia a lot in the last year, and it's become a substitute for Heroes for me. And there, I've really honed my skill in spotting suspicious people based purely on psychology. So, players who defend themselves the way Rebel is doing now are usually almost unanimously voted out. Because this is the behavior of a caught Mafia player. You can see an example of a good response from an "innocent player," for example, in the Markon vs. (I don't remember who) debate. This happened about two years ago; Pete might have something in his archives. Markon's first post convincingly demonstrated that there was nothing for the prosecution to find. Personally, I didn't even feel the need to look at the save files; Markon looked so "innocent." Also, Pete has a good post a little higher up in the thread, I'm referring to his response to Stizko. Rebel's posts, on the other hand, are very unconvincing compared to that, and his style is the same as that of cheaters who were caught earlier. Plus, in terms of content, he's struggling to defend himself logically and emotionally, and he's just weakly deflecting with a "you're the idiot" attitude. Yeah, it's a familiar pattern... it was the same in some of the previous cases. Honest people usually defend their honor and dignity in a different way. Of course, this kind of argument can't be used as evidence, but it's very useful for forming a personal opinion.

To put it mildly, I'm fucking shocked by the situation with Rebe. It feels like someone from our side had to be disqualified for the sake of proportion. Maybe it's also personal animosity. I see no other reason for this. An openly weak referee decision. I didn't find who made this decision — probably Sticky. If so, then sorry, but as an organizer you're great, but as a referee you're just a nightmare. And Redwhite is also stepping in. Guys, you have zero referee authority, you're young and green little pricks. You can give me as many penalty points as you want, I suddenly don't give a damn. If we ban players like Rebe, then what's the point of playing these Heroes online anymore? Yes, the guy has a peculiar personality, a reaction not quite what you all expected (put yourself in his shoes and simulate your behavior — they spit in your face, would you ask them to do it more rhythmically?), but if everyone knew him personally (I happened to), knew how old he is, and that he's done more backwards in life — not just in Heroes — than you've done forwards, you'd weigh your decisions ten times over. You can't judge based on emotions! The accuser is a total lol... Black Knight! Another "experienced" guy with an unshakable reputation. I really have no words, these hastily stitched-up shorts can't be pulled over any sane head. Come to your senses, this all looks DELUSIONAL. Don't turn HeroesWorld into a CIRCUS, soon only schoolkids will be left to play Counter-Strike. There it doesn't matter who you shoot, just as long as you shoot, no thinking required.

And why are there so few opinions? Why are we being cowardly? Too lazy to watch the replays and express your opinion? Get involved, or at this rate we'll soon have a league of cheaters and a clan of specialists.

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Vic, check the replays. Mafia is a great game. I think you win it often. But these things are barely comparable. You don't see the player opposite you, don't look into their eyes, don't read gestures, don't hear intonation. Judging based on text is not serious. I don't understand what these "standards" of explanations you've made up are. Is there an analysis of even a few games with cheating moments?

The thief is also wearing a hat, so to speak. This relates to the question of who started the fuss about the save files. Precisely because I believe that cheaters are incurable, I haven't played again after one game with Black, where, after studying the save files move by move, I drew certain conclusions. It's not up to him to talk about illogical decisions, Pandoras, and other things. Regarding what was written about the Pandora – that's just ridiculous. I would have handled it like Rebe without any problems and have done so many times. Pandoras are NOT an indicator at all in the early stages. If anyone remembers, at the CIS tournament in Kyiv, I was playing against Roland, I had expert air and earth magic, but in two castles, I didn't get either haste or slow, I didn't find anything in the shrines, but I saw a Pandora behind a pack of sprites in the corner of the respawn area at the end of the second week!!! I ran there with a grand hero, hoping for a level 1 magic spell, which I got there. But what if we were playing online??? How would anyone analyze this move, esteemed judges? We have a situation where we attack our own to scare off the others. P.S.: So, what's the final result? Did they remove Rebe from the tournament?

Our approach is: beat your own, so the others will be afraid.

Spot on!
Rebel isn't just some player who suddenly appeared out of nowhere and started showing amazing results. He's been on the portal since 2004 and on this forum since 2007. He has more than enough experience to win several major tournaments. But what's happening? I don't remember Rebel ever finishing in the top 2 in a tournament on the portal in 8 years (maybe I'm wrong – correct me, I've been online since 2007). What does this say? He has enough experience, he always plays at a high level, but maybe something isn't working out, or maybe the draw was unfavorable. BUT if he had the same ambition for victory as the Chinese, we would have been analyzing Rebel's case for a long time. There is a will to win (which is evident in the length of time he's been playing Heroes), but experience shows that fair play is still Hiro's top priority. In 8 years, we have NEVER doubted Rebel's fair play :confused:. As I understand it, there are even more obvious examples of cheating in this tournament with fewer consequences. And then, suddenly, a couple of episodes and that's it – the verdict. As in a famous comedy: "For all these 8 years, Gorbunkov successfully pretended to be an honest and respectable family man." ;) Of course, Rebel's slightly hysterical reaction to the accusations at the beginning is a bit puzzling, but then he seems to present reasonable arguments.
Vik, if we draw an analogy with the mafia, maybe the player is inexperienced in this situation and therefore doesn't know how to behave properly?)

Isn't that funny? It's not even clever – in such a game, with SO much attention, against SUCH an opponent with such a lobby, to use cheats? :D

But I noticed that in the 2nd game, the fighter receives an element not at level 4, but at level 3. Logically, if it's offered at level 3, there's a high chance of getting it at level 4 as well. But here, it wasn't given even once. And here's a question for people who understand the game's mechanics:

The element should be given at level 3, i.e., at level 4. It's also possible to get it later at level 4, i.e., at level 5, but with a normal probability.

If the element is given at level 3, then it won't be given at level 4 (or rather, it might be, in the general order), but it will be given at level 7... The same applies to wisdom: if it's given at level 2, the next time it will be at level 8.

Vic, check the saves.

And what would that change? The task of rehabilitating Rebel falls on him and his support group, which I am not a part of for the reasons described above. So even if I refute the arguments of the accusation, I won't be able to beat my chest purely by emotional disposition, without which you won't get far in these matters.

I am generally surprised that Rebel is behaving this way. In Mafia, the method of hanging "for bad play" is widespread, and peaceful players often fall under it too, but if you let this slide, then every Maf will use this loophole later.

Same here — if a player doesn't care about his reputation, if in response to suspicions he curses at opponents and withdraws from tournaments, then why keep such a player in them?

Mafia is an excellent game. I think you win it often. But these things are hardly comparable. You don't see the player opposite you, you don't look them in the eye, you don't read gestures, you don't hear intonation.

There is also forum Mafia (and here on HeroesWorld, by the way, too), where people communicate via the internet in chat mode. And yes, they deduce things, including from written texts — a person's mood is conveyed through them quite well.

Intuition is generally a powerful thing; it allows you to see a great deal from barely noticeable details. For example, I have a personal list of players about whom I decided long ago that they are shady, but due to a lack of evidence, I didn't stir up trouble. Yet, for some reason, every time someone was caught cheating, it turned out I already had them on that list. Rebel is on it. BlackKnight and Tinker too.

The accuser is a total lol.. Black Knight! Another "veteran" with an unshakable reputation.

So what? Personally, in such matters, I would trust those who cheat themselves more than the blissful elves. It takes one to know one.

A frankly whiny referee decision. I didn't find who made this decision, probably Sticky. If so, then forgive me, but as an organizer you are wonderful, but as a judge you are just a nightmare. Redwhite is also getting involved there. Guys, your referee authority is zero, you are young and green pipsqueaks.

The decision is fine. Poorly written, that's a fact, but that will come with experience; no special talent is needed here.

P.S.: So, what's the final result? Did they remove Rebe from the tournament?

According to the tournament table, he was removed.

Yeah, all sorts of reasons were invented to explain my decision regarding Rebellius. Except for the correct one – I'm sure he was cheating. I don't know why he did it and why he wasn't caught before (by the way, draw a parallel with Vitalik's case). Maybe he really wasn't cheating until now, but now he wanted to use map hacks in a game with "cheater" Black_Knight. Like, you can do it yourself against a cheater. Rebell often hinted in his explanations that he was playing against an unverified player and that I should check his saves.
Honestly, there's no other reason for me to ban him. In this story, a lot of mud was thrown at me, and I'll be cleaning it off for a long time. And it will most likely put an end to my organizing efforts, which I was well aware of when I banned Rebell. And now I have to deal with the Thinkeer case, and if he gets banned, my relationship with the Chinese, which I tried so hard to build, will be damaged. I can't prove that I don't have any dislike for Rebell. But banning him is not beneficial for me. In general, banning anyone is not beneficial for my tournament.
As for Black_Knight, I don't know, maybe he was cheating before. Or maybe Vitalik was cheating, but some time passed, and he was accepted back into the tournaments. In my opinion, everyone has a chance to make amends.

And by the way, the ban was issued based on a vote by the judges; I didn't do it alone

Spot on!
Rebel isn't just some player who suddenly appeared out of nowhere and started showing amazing results. He's been on the portal since 2004 and on this forum since 2007.

References to experience and tenure aren't really relevant here. Vitalik has played and won for a long time before he was caught. If you don't push it, you can maintain a good reputation for a very long time. Moreover, the practice of in-depth save analysis has only become widespread relatively recently.

In addition, it's possible that a player usually plays fairly, but under certain circumstances, they might be tempted to cheat. I don't rule out this possibility either. There are also cases where the map is revealed to balance the forces – if there's confidence that the opponent is also cheating. See the final of one of the Bay Cups, MikeSPb vs. Billy.

Personally, I wouldn't condemn someone who revealed the map while playing against Black. Of course, if they confessed to it themselves, rather than me having to figure it out indirectly, which would take a lot of time and effort.

Shameful. Then you can practically analyze any game in the same context and disqualify it from the tournament.

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Stiky, what do you mean - you're sure he was cheating??? I remember I had a game against Doctor on Bay, and everyone on Bay was sure he was cheating, but there was some 0.0000001% chance that he wasn't, and in the end he went further, and to make such conclusions based on these replays is just ridiculous. Maybe there's something else we don't know, then it's a different story.

And to draw such conclusions based on those saves is simply laughable. Maybe there's something else we don't know about, then that's a different story.

Artyom, have you even looked at the saves? In dynamic mode?
If so, give your assessment of Shakti's route from 211: crypt-well-hive-Griffin Conservatory-ambush for half a turn in the rear, so as not to scare off the computer?

Right now, I'm not so interested in supporting the accusation or defending Reba, as I am in not understanding when people write posts like "such a good person, etc.," but in reality there's nothing (the same goes for Alone).

Or maybe I missed/didn't understand something, and you'll clue me in (I'm serious).