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Subjective restarts in the seasonal mode for 2SM4d(3) (full descriptions can be found in the first post of this thread):
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Single choice Public votes Closed 2012-06-18
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leave it as is, “a total of 3 days” (111+111+111 or 111+112 or 113)
32% 24 votes
make it “a total of 2 days” (111+111 or 112)
60% 45 votes
make it 111+111 or 113
8% 6 votes
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Offline Niemand
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Alessandro

It's tough without restarts. Before leaving the castle, there are 5-9 angels, and it's impossible to leave the city without defeating them. Should I surrender on turn 111?

You can surrender. I don't think any reasonable player would accept such a victory. And there will be a rematch.:D
I often take objective restarts myself. What can you do if you get a starting hero that isn't level 1? But I would like to reduce the number of subjective restarts.They annoy me...
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You're mixing things up. The situation you described is an objective restart due to a strong block. Rule point 4.5.
Here, we are discussing subjective restarts.
Thank you. I understand now.
I decided that restarts aren't needed for seasonal games.
In serious tournaments (if I ever hold any), I will allow restarts for 3 days.
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Offline Maretti
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I normally play with no restarts unless you have an exstremely bad map or is blocked heavily and that works very well. So I think 2 111 or 1 112 is plenty. With 3 restarts each you risk spending severel hours restarting on perfectly playeble maps. The more restarts you have the better you want your start to be. So to many restarts are taken.

I also think we should remove the restart due to early meetings. If both players have road to the same area and meet early there the rule is good enough. But in other cases its not only a massive waste of time but it also leads to the strategy of going for the early meet with the sole purpose of getting a restart. Also if you have a good start you should be carefull not to send in scouts in new areas because you risk a meet. All in all a terrible rule in my humble opinion. In most cases you can avoid the early meet with the main army if you are a bit carefull.
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I guess I don't fully grasp the seriousness of the situation, but, in my opinion, it's not a reason to change the rules: if you don't like the large number of restarts, agree with your opponent to reduce it. I personally always agree to such a proposal, but I don't think there's any need to change the rules. Anything can happen; in tournaments, you might not have enough of that "extra" restart, and then you'll regret it...
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Someone wrote in the chat during my stream: "Why are restarts even necessary if they take several hours of time, when everyone ends up spending that time playing whatever they get assigned anyway?"
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bRitvo4Ka:
Even if you get a good starting position, an opponent with available restarts will intuitively sense something is wrong (due to the long turn, the large number of opponent's heroes) and may intentionally ruin the opponent's position.

This is nothing more than heroic schizophrenia. A long turn, firstly, is not necessarily an indicator of a "rich" map. Secondly, a good map may not require long turns, especially in the early days. Thirdly, it is obvious that the player is only willing to play a limited range of scenarios – my "advantage" against another player's "disadvantage," hence such a verdict.
Земля нуля.
Все в ней нулево и кукольно.
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With a long play, you can show a “pseudo-rich” hand even with a bad starting hand, while confident opponents with excellent hands will spend their remaining time.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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To Oelm: I explained my strategy regarding restarts. When I start playing as Blue, and Red has been playing for, say, 10 minutes, and at the end of my turn, Red has more heroes in the tavern than I do, it indicates that the opponent has been in battles and therefore had resources to acquire them. The number of starting units indirectly shows the amount of money the opponent has. As a result, I will intentionally choose a restart if one is available, even if I have a playable card, if my goal is to win. It's possible that someone else has a similar strategy; it's not out of the question.
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Well, here it's a game of levels of thinking... "I thought about what he thought I would think about his bad strategy..." I try not to focus on the strategy if the map is playable and I have a plan for the game.
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KobRa_RR
I try not to take a risk if the map is playable and there is a plan for the game.
That's correct, but there's another nuance – playing against the opponent. Knowing the opponent's playing style allows you to take a small risk (and sometimes a big one). Many games have been won this way, as well as lost... it's all part of the game.
Даже если вас съели - у вас два выхода:smile19:

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Yes, I almost lost the last match against Alone’s setup at the CIS-2012 tournament. As it turned out, I was playing a hopeless setup (almost).
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It's a game of levels of thinking here... "I thought that he thought that I would think that he has a bad setup..." I try not to take a setup if the map is playable and there is a plan for the game.
I looked back to see if she looked back to see if I looked back :)

V. Syutkin
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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I looked back to see if she had looked back, to see if I had looked back :)

V. Syutkin

You're the Syutkin. This is Max Leonidov.
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You're the one who's like Syutkin. This is Max Leonidov.
Seriously? :) I always thought Syutkin was the one singing this:o
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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As they say, BBPE! (c) V. Syutkin
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