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Everything would be fine in SoD on HL templates if there were a Mage Guild rebuild. In SoD, it very often happens that one player cannot get DD, and as a result, loses. For HL templates, this is still very critical.
R55Max, you can argue as much as you want about how SoD is more familiar, native, popular, played by foreigners, etc., but it's foolish to argue that on HL templates it is inferior to the BT version.
On M and L templates there is no dispute; one can play normally in SoD.
Kostya, as for the rebuild, the person who has to rebuild the guild more times will lose. And there is also critical morale, because of which you can lose after losing tempo. Also, you actually have to guess which Castle to build the GM in. If there are 6 castles of one race on the map, the one who guesses the castle wins, not even the one who has the possibility of a rebuild. This is the reality of the game; otherwise, if striving for balance, you would always need to know all the spells in all castles before the start and play an ideal mirror with identical castles. You can play both versions, and practice shows that people play and will continue to play the SoD that exists now, which is perhaps the most important thing, and what's very good is that it's improving in terms of comfort thanks to the MOD! If someone wanted to, they would switch to BT and play there, which is exactly what those who found it necessary are doing. Anyone can try both and make a choice, but combining them is impossible. Like BT based on SoD—there would be opponents not only from the SoD players but also from the BT players. It's naive to think that all SoD players haven't tried BT. Enough discussing what's better; it's time to think about where to get the money to motivate players to play both versions even if they don't want to. :-D
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
It's completely unclear why anyone would try to hold a single tournament across different versions when there's nothing stopping them from holding a separate tournament for each version. Besides, even "Super FB" could be renamed if desired.
Max, Albert, let's try to keep things civil, please.
Max, I understand what you're writing about, but I didn't see the main point. What is your personal experience with playing HL+U templates on WTs and SOD? And can we skip all the fluff about what's closer, more familiar, and what's true?
Max, Albert, let's try to keep things civil, please.
Max, I think I understand what you're writing about, but I didn't see the main point. What's your personal experience playing HL+U templates on Wt and SoD? And can we skip all the rambling about what's closer, more familiar, and true?
My experience isn't extensive, but in less than 2 years, I've played at least 20 online games on Wt. I even promised Dirty Player that I'd tell him when I played 30, but I never did; it's just not my thing. I've also played roughly the same number of single-player games, for comparison with SoD, and even signed up for a Wt tournament. All the games were on HL templates, except for a few nostalgic runs. In SoD, if we consider the maximum template size, I've played around 70-100 official games and probably about 20 for fun. So, I've basically been playing Heroes non-stop (I've also played other map sizes), which is something not everyone can do due to their busy schedules. I don't think most people need to spend so much time figuring it out. It either clicks, or it doesn't. And also, I'm not saying that it's better to play on HL templates; I'm just saying that I don't like Wt, so the question of whether to play it on Excel or not is irrelevant.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
Scorpiona
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Dear friends, I don't understand what the argument is about at all.
The qualifying round of the OFB is mainly for new players; as a rule, these are players who have successfully completed the "Novichki" tournament and all those who have not yet had the opportunity to participate in the FB itself. And as a rule, these are players who play on SOD. But putting a new stream of players directly into VT somehow didn't work out in the previous qualifying round...
The strongest players (according to some, mainly those who play on VT) make it to the final stage of the FB tournament. Well, in the final, without a doubt, and by mutual agreement, you will play VT against each other.
But if there are fewer of them, we will draw conclusions after the tournament: why and who did not want to play VT. And whether all the strong players only play VT.
numOne
I initially created the current FB on VT because, in fact, almost all games in it are played on this version. But perhaps this does not suit everyone, and in the last six months, VT has somehow faded, while SOD, on the contrary, is gaining strength (Lyubimchiki, Novichok, sk2tv, etc.). We need to monitor market trends and hold it on what is in demand.
Kostya, the one who has to rebuild their Guild more often will lose in the long run. Also, there's critical morale, which can lead to a loss after losing momentum. And you also need to guess which Castle to build your Grand Mage in.
You've certainly made a comparison. Rebuilding and losing a day and 10 resources is one thing, but losing 5 days and 28 resources is another (not to mention that you might run out of cities where you can build). And the phrase about having to guess where to build only reinforces the idea that, for you, Heroes is a guessing game... And morale isn't even a point of contention. Morale exists in HotA, but rebuilding doesn't exist in SoD. R55Max
You can play both versions, and as practice shows, people play and will continue to play the SoD as it is now, and that's perhaps the most important thing, and it's also improving in terms of comfort thanks to the MOD!
You're somehow hiding behind the MOD. We're not talking about the advantages of the MOD; it can also be installed on HotA. It's just that those who play SoD don't play HL templates, and those who play HL templates play HotA. Pasha, Albert, and I have all been trying to get this across to you. And in turn, you write a long text with very little substance.
You've made quite a comparison. It's one thing to rebuild and lose a day and 10 resources, and another to lose 5 days and 28 resources (not to mention the possibility of running out of cities where you can build). And the statement that you need to guess where to build only reinforces the idea that, for you, heroes are a game of chance... And morality is not even a subject of debate. Morality exists in Heroes, but rebuilding doesn't exist in SoD.
You're somehow hiding behind the mod. We're not talking about the advantages of the mod; it can be installed in Heroes as well. It's just that those who play SoD don't play with HL templates, and those who play with HL templates play Heroes. Pasha, Albert, and I are all trying to get this across to you, but you, in turn, write a long text with very little substance.
Unfortunately, I must say the following: "specificity" is a scientific term, and it has no contradictions due to its irrefutability, i.e., the fact that it is simply impossible to refute! Will you now tell me that God exists or that it's a fiction?
In contrast to your somewhat inaccurate comparison, I will say that there is a different number of each resource in each pile, and where is the balance if I get 3 and you get 5, for example? Consequently, I can build faster. And if we reduce it to balance, we can end up with a stupid sequence! First, the mirror, then an equal distribution with a start for one race, then we start distributing resources and money in the same move point from the starting castle, and even if the amount is the same everywhere and in the same location, randomness still comes into play because you have to take something first, and then the heroes should be the same, and the development branch should be the right one. Isn't that too little differentiation? It's just that lovers of the 100-meter sprint don't see the essence of the game! It's not about balance, but about the counterweight of data. Heroes are not created to be similar and equal to each other; that's a gamer's invention! And magic doesn't have to be equal either. If earth and air are super magic, why should they be equal to the other magics? And what's wrong with Armageddon, Berserk, or Clone? Of course, air is DD and acceleration, and earth is teleport and slow; these are the most important spells, but let's give all magical skills all the spells. There is a kind of hierarchy in the game, and the programmers are changing it. And it is the change in the hierarchy, both in the heroes (who rush around the map) and in magic, and even in the gameplay itself, that is already a change in the game, not an improvement. Why are you writing the nicknames of players who prefer Heroes? A preference for one doesn't mean that the other is necessarily a wrong choice. It doesn't solve or justify fans of one version or another. Everyone started playing a game of chance, but then they started creating, let's say, a game that isn't a game of chance, which is creating a new version of the game. No one condemns the creators; why condemn those who play the classic version? I personally agree with and support the statement of one person that SoD is a harsh life, and Heroes is an invented fairy tale. So, fairy tales and cartoons are not for everyone. And finally: now I am comparing things that, in your opinion, should not be compared, but as a mathematician, you should understand that as the boundary between the materials being considered decreases, the convergence of contradictions will occur
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
Albert@s
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Maxim's opinion is clear, but what does the forum want?))) Max, how much are you charging?
RomarioGrom
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I can't handle Max's posts; there's too much text, but I need to add fuel to the fire, otherwise the discussion is too slow. Your Warlock and Thief are garbage on any template:p be a man and play SOD:smile01:
For some reason, you're hiding behind the MOD. We're not talking about the advantages of the MOD; it can be installed on Warlords as well. It's just that those who play SOD don't play HL templates, and those who play HL templates play Warlords. Everyone, including Pasha, Albert, and me, is trying to explain this to you. And in return, you write a long text with very little specific information.
Kost, where did you get the information that HL templates aren't played in SOD? As far as I remember, just a month ago, there were quite a few players using the 8mm6a template in SOD. I don't think the situation has changed now.
Maxim's opinion is clear, but what does the forum want?))) Max, how much are you charging?
I'll lend you the money.
Romario, don't be lazy, read it from cover to cover. Did you decide to give up? Well, it's not a difficult task, good luck with your endeavors.
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
can't get through Max's posts, too much text, but need to throw some fuel on the fire, otherwise the discussion is sluggish. Your Vault is lame on any template:p be a man, play SoD:smile01:
Working as a streamer on SK2TV made you a bit of a fat troll, Romka :)
On topic: although I don't like Vault and most games on it are played by Jebus nerds, I've already lost so many games on SoD due to the inability to gain control that I must admit that rebuilding the Mage Guild is necessary for games in an important tournament. Everything else is secondary.
It's completely unclear why they are trying to hold one tournament on different versions when there is nothing stopping them from holding a separate tournament for each version. Besides, even "Super FB" can be renamed if desired.
For the high status of the tournament, it’s better to have everyone participate. I want to see both Chinese players and Maretti. OUTLAW and NumOne did an excellent job organizing the "ALLRANDOM" tournament, with the participation of 20 Sodovites and 12 VT players. And for greater balance and flexibility for organizers during registration, each player should indicate their preference: 1. I only play on WT 2. I only play on SoD 3. I can play on both WT and SoD 4. I prefer WT, but I can also play on SoD 5. I prefer SoD, but I can also play on WT
Related: although I don't like VT and most of the games played on it are played by "jebusozadrots," I've already lost so many games on Soda due to the inability to gain control that it can't be denied that a GM overhaul is necessary for matches in an important tournament. Everything else is secondary.
+1 to everything! Our match on 8mm6 ended exactly like that, but in your favor. I just couldn't find DD :( And everything else is really not that critical.
R55Max
