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Rehabilitation of cheaters.

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Should reports from Katherine be taken into account for the season ranking?
83 voters
Multiple choice Closed 2012-04-26
This poll is closed.

Voters could pick more than one answer, so each share is out of 83 voters and the totals add up to more than 100%.

Yes, I wouldn’t mind playing with Katherine
25.3% 21 of 83 voters
Yes, but I won’t play with Katherine
20.5% 17 of 83 voters
No, ignore reports
14.5% 12 of 83 voters
We need to develop a system for rehabilitating cheaters
19.3% 16 of 83 voters
Cheaters should be banned
27.7% 23 of 83 voters
I don’t really care, but I like taking part in polls
16.9% 14 of 83 voters
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Offline Oelm
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As I already wrote here /topic/8860/, either I don't understand what language Pit for LM uses to express his thoughts, or he doesn't understand the meaning of the phrases he comes up with himself.

Let's change the poll:

Should we take into account "Pit for LM"'s reports in the season, and all those who vote "yes" will be required to play with Pit for at least one report so that their vote means something?

What is the purpose of the poll as I see it? We need to consider the votes of all players who have played at least one game in the season.
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Offline Scorpiona
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I can hardly wait to see who will actually play with Katherine for the seasonal report, digging through game saves for the sake of rehabilitating a cheater :smile24:.

Cheaters are incorrigible!!! If deception was already used for the sake of victories, for the sake of elevating one's own "EGO" (I'm a mega player, let me show you how great I can play, outplay everyone), rather than the interest and intrigue of the game itself.
And you naively think that such a person will step over their "Self" and now, like a "noob," lose all their games (without cheats) :D

Nu, nu, I wish you successful excavations :smile54:

PS a real girl, after such conversations that you allowed yourself in this thread, would have run away from you long ago, rather than adding fuel to the fire
"P.S. I would gladly go to Yekaterinburg :)". On the other hand, good for her, she trolled you well :smile08:
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Offline =Stinger=
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Yeah, if there's no maid, they have a janitor :D

So, if you accidentally kill someone while defending yourself, your family, or loved ones, does that mean you're an incurable killer and should be treated the same as a serial killer? Or are you not a serial killer and do you have a chance to redeem yourself? You can substitute "hitman" with another type of offense – the essence remains the same.

That's quite the example... you can accidentally kill someone in self-defense, BUT, "accidentally" install Arcanum and then, again, "accidentally" use it, "accidentally" engage in map hacking (of course, for self-defense purposes). Everyone has become so tolerant, but I personally don't have the time or desire to play Heroes suspecting my opponent of cheating. I didn't vote for a ban. Play with those who want to, it's everyone's business. I'm just speaking for myself.
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Offline Oelm
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Tanya, I think the point here is that if player NN wants to play against a cheater in a ranked season, then we shouldn't forbid him from doing so. If there aren't many people like that, then such a result will be more meaningful than any bans. That's just my opinion.

By the way, I played two games with RBV, even though I knew in advance that the person was prone to "tricks." I was just curious. I've said it before, the main thing for me is that these people don't participate in tournaments.
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Offline Albert@s
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Pit for LM, let me say a few words, and you listen:
1) The poll about Katerina ends on April 26, 2012. You set the deadline – it's too short. Let's extend it to September 26...
2) Don't change horses midstream – don't invent things or distort the results of your own poll; it's not very flattering for a man...
3) "Real guys visiting Hv" – is this at your place or someone else's? Did you enjoy setting up a poll about the versions of the FB and OFB games? And you quickly wrapped up the poll, made conclusions on your own, and provided brilliant comments – I don't want to argue with you, but come down from the clouds and be among the people. As a moderator of the site, you should navigate the flow of opinions, and considering your "democratic" rule, you should trust and value other people's votes. Don't contradict yourself.
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Offline Niemand
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Cheaters are incurable.
That might be true. But it's worth trying – to punish them in a way that they won't even have the desire to cheat again. Especially if the person has expressed a desire to change. Banning someone for cheating on the first offense doesn't make sense – the player will either leave on their own or try to improve. Although the reputation is already damaged... Well, if there's a relapse, then a ban without discussion.
I voted for the need to develop a rehabilitation system – there are already many good suggestions on this topic. I think there's a lot of work on the forum that no one wants to do, but someone will still have to do it. Well, and a probationary period, of course.
Regarding games with Katherine, I would play if an offer is made.


And also, it probably wouldn't hurt to establish an exchange of information about players banned for cheating with other portals (if this isn't already happening).
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Offline Albert@s
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Uncle Petya, your vote wasn't counted – and playing with you is impossible because you can't even follow the rules – he said something, and didn't vote...
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Offline R55Max
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It very well might be. But it's worth trying – to punish in a way that would discourage them from even wanting to cheat again.
For this, a sufficiently harsh punishment is needed, but when it comes to the duration, many become afraid that it might be too severe. The cheater should be afraid and know that if they are caught, they will face serious and long-lasting consequences!
МУДРЫЙ - не обязательно старый, ОПЫТНЫЙ - не обязательно мудрый... обладатель и того и другого всегда должен помнить слова НАПОЛЕОНА БОНАПАРТА: Война состоит из непредусмотренных событий; В каждом большом деле всегда приходится какую-то часть оставить на долю :smile33: СЛУЧАЯ...
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Offline SeniorPomidor
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An idea came to mind. As Pete said, to avoid clones and cheaters, it's better not to ban them, but instead, add a "cheater" icon to their nickname on the forum, if that's even possible. Then, everyone will be warned, and whether to play with a cheater or not is up to each individual.
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I had an idea. As Pete said, to avoid clones and cheaters, it's better not to ban them, but you could add a "cheater" icon to their forum nickname, if that's even possible. Then everyone will be warned, and whether to play with a cheater or not is up to each individual.
What didn't you like about Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes? It's visible to everyone, right?
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Offline SeniorPomidor
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What didn't you like about Might and Magic: Clash of Heroes? It seems to be visible to everyone:D
I don't know, I'm not sure if it's displayed correctly or not.
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Offline злой_романтик
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I don't know if it's displayed or not :)
Just look at Catherine's avatar, and you'll see everything;) There's an award right under the photo.
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Offline Katherine
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Pit for LM

To promise fair play in the thread and then immediately engage in falsifying the voting results is beyond my comprehension. Or is it an admission that it would be better if I just played against myself?
What's wrong with voting for myself? Would it have looked more appropriate if I had voted against myself? In elections, deputies vote for themselves. I don't think there's any falsification or anything unnatural about it here.
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Offline Albert@s
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Petya, and there’s no need for your understanding here; it’s always been this way – that you can vote for yourself – or am I mistaken? And also, if you don’t understand, but others do – what should be done? Think about it.
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Offline hunter98
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I still think the difference lies in the psychology of the cheater, regardless of whether they are male or female. I don't think Katya cheated out of malice; I don't know why she did it, but it certainly wasn't just to achieve a result. And, by the way, if cheaters were incorrigible, she could have simply left the forum and given up on this World Championship... but she promised to improve, and that's not for no reason, IMHO!
P.S. Sorry for the flood/off-topic/nonsense, or whatever you want to call this post... :D
"Никто не уходит из героев вечно", - убедился на личном опыте, гоняю в сингле до сих пор :D
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