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Posts from [ANNOUNCEMENT] Heroes 3: World Tournament - an add-on for tournament games.
in my subjective opinion, in Heroes 3, only quick battles should be changed (as it is done with +1), and the number of stacks in the starting army should be fixed, as well as allowing the construction of level 2 buildings. Everything else is unnecessary. almost forgot - simultaneous turns are a very useful idea. this is Heroes, after all! In chess, everything can be calculated, but achieving balance in Heroes is impossible.
In the neighboring thread about the HD-mod from Baratorcha, you can find more information. Ivor
In your opinion, are the fixes installed by the installer different from those supposedly made "on the fly"? If someone doesn't want to install them without being reminded by the auto-updater, that's their problem. I uploaded it for public access so that people wouldn't have to wait for the asm.
This version, if you haven't forgotten, is declared as the base for the club tournament, which will take place in just over 2 months. Everyone is invited to bring their laptops and play on them; most likely, everyone will have the latest version installed. What guarantees are there that someone will miss something during manual installation? And then it will start: one person generates Gosh with one number of skeletons, and another with a different number, etc. Or will Mee and asm run around checking everyone's version on their laptops against some standard version from their heads, which is unknown to anyone else? It would be good if their two versions at least match. Ivor
Regarding the numbering, the complaints are incomprehensible. If you like 0.42, play that version. All identified bugs have also been fixed there.
Here, pardon me, it's like in an old Soviet anecdote: drinking without... drinking doesn't work. And the asm, in the spirit of the corporation we all love, has rigidly tied the chat to a specific version of the game.
Dim, reading your statement (with which I largely disagree), I can't help but wonder how much money you personally spent on the WT project, so that you can confidently demand accountability from Asma and his colleagues?
2Ivor: there is indeed a rational point in what is being said here: if there is no internal motivation and desire to go all the way in developing a new version, then why even start it? Especially in a forced manner. They could have left version 0.42 as a basis, gradually worked on a new version if the desire was there, brought it to a reasonable state, and then thought about the transition.
2Vampir:
WT-Edition is a new update for Heroes with a different gameplay dynamic. In general, your comment about what needs to be done in it is inappropriate, considering your zero experience in online play. You can either try to achieve some success in this area (which is not easy), or continue to "spin" SOD with captain hats in utopias, with one truly useful school of magic, necromancy, etc.
Dim, while reading your statement (with which I largely disagree), I can't help but wonder how much money you personally spent on the VT project, so that you can confidently demand accountability from Asm and his colleagues?
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Has VT become a commercial project? When did that happen?
I'm asking because Asm himself took on this task; none of us asked him to. Because, if plans don't change, I'm going to play in a tournament in Yekaterinburg. Tolstoy generally advised: "If you do something, do it well. If you can't or don't want to do it well, it's better not to do it at all." Horn, for example, directly stated that he doesn't have the time or desire for TE, and he didn't waste people's time with colorful promises.
This version, if you haven't forgotten, is declared as the base for the club tournament, which will take place in just over 2 months. Everyone is invited to bring their laptops and play on them; everyone will likely have the latest version of the game installed. But what guarantees are there that someone won't miss something during manual installation? And then it will start: one person, Gosha, will generate with one number of skeletons, and another with a different number, and so on. Or will Mee and asm run around comparing everyone's version on their laptop to some standard version from their heads, which is unknown to anyone else? And what if even their versions don't match?
I'm not saying that auto-update isn't needed. But since asm is, for some reason, delaying its release, you can spend a few minutes installing the fixes yourself. And the tournament has nothing to do with it. PReDS
Here, pardon me, it's like in an old Soviet anecdote: drinking without a toast doesn't work. And asm, in the spirit of the corporation we all love, has rigidly tied the chat to a specific version of the game.
If you dig into the DLL, which contains the version number, then this is a solvable problem. And what is so attractive about this chat? As soon as the server crashes, there are immediately talks about how the game is dead. Oelm
2Ivor: there is indeed a rational point in what is being said here: if there is no internal desire and стремление to go all the way in developing a new version, then why even start all this? Especially in a forced manner. e.
What "going all the way" and "desire" are you talking about? All the bugs related to the changes that were discovered were fixed almost in real-time. Oelm
They should have left version 0.42 as the base, and slowly worked on a new one if they wanted to, until it was perfected, and then they would have thought about the transition.
I agree that version 0.42 should have been left))) But what does "base" have to do with it? Version 0.5 is more than half a cut-down version of 0.42. Moreover, half of the new bugs in it are related to this cut-down. I made version 0.42, and asm was in charge of the cut-down. This is where some of the errors come from. The reason for this is another question.
It should also be understood that it is impossible to catch all the bugs alone, especially those that only appear in the network. In this sense, it is better to make more changes at once in order to fix the bugs faster, rather than break them down into small portions. If asm, for example, wants to introduce some changes from 0.42, then who will do it – that's a big question. PReDS
I'm asking because asm took this on himself, no one asked him to do it. ... Horn, for example, directly stated that he has neither the time nor the desire for testing, and he didn't bother people with colorful prospects.
I don't understand anything at all. No one is forbidding anyone from playing in testing. If everything is so bad in the main game. So, Dima, stop the hysteria:smile01:, it's better to spend this time installing the fixes.
... It's completely incomprehensible. No one is forbidding anyone from playing The Restoration of Erathia. If things are so bad in The Shadow of Death. So, Dima, stop the hysterics :smile01:, it's better to spend that time installing fixes.
I've been playing The Shadow of Death more lately.:o And what kind of hysteria is that? You asked about the reasons for my negative attitude, and I tried to explain, mainly to make it clear that I have no complaints against you, only huge
I'd rather just get drunk in Yburg while you guys argue about the versions. :) I'd prefer something more enjoyable:smile30: :smile54: Should we pinch Alex's balls or something:D
2Ivor: you are wrong about the update, the game simply closed if you didn't install 0.5.
To the rest: Hasn't anyone ever had the idea to donate some amount to the creators of the game? Even if it's just $10. As you know, thank you doesn't make any noise.
Asm's wish: to add the ability to moderate in the new version of the chat, so that we can finally get rid of Bozhan.
Why did many people criticize TE? Because it contained a lot of unnecessary and changeable elements. A bunch of different scripts, text files, TE.ini, etc. As a result, each player had a different TE. Why did people love VT? Because it was a ready-made product; you launch it and play, no disagreements. And now, VT is following the same path. So many versions have already emerged. Some replaced the text files, and others didn't, and it went downhill. This is fundamentally a false approach. Ideally, Asmu should gather everything together and create an auto-update system; otherwise, it will only get worse. I think that's exactly what Dima Preds was trying to convey. And thank you and respect for the work done!
... 2Ivor: you're wrong about the update; the game simply closed if you didn't install 0.5.
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So, what is Ivor wrong about? It's unlikely that the server performs a full check of all files used by the client each time a client connects (if that were the case, Ivor's quick fixes wouldn't be possible). When connecting, something like this happens: HELLO!, I'm client WT version so-and-so (the version number is retrieved from some library, where it's written during the update), login/password if available, and then the server, depending on the results of the version check sent by the client, either sends a command to forcibly disconnect or connects to the desired window with a repeating message. Kostya says that if you find the place where this is recorded and change the value to the desired one, you can use the module even from the beta version.
Dim, while reading your post (with which I largely disagree), I can't help but wonder how much money you personally invested in the WT project, so that you can so confidently demand accountability from Asma and others?
2Ivor: there is indeed a rational point in what is being said here: if there is no internal motivation and desire to go all the way in refining the new version, then why even start it? Especially in a forced manner. They should have left version 0.42 as a base, and gradually worked on a new one if they had the desire, brought it to a reasonable state, and then thought about the transition.
2Vampir:
WT-Edition is a new update for Heroes with a different gameplay dynamic. In general, your comment about what should and shouldn't be in it is inappropriate, considering your lack of online experience. You can either try to achieve some success in this area (which is not easy), or continue to "play" SOD with captain hats in utopias, with only one truly useful school of magic, necromancy, etc.
What's wrong with necromancy? Recently, in one game, I increased the number of minotaurs by +19 per week in the first week using the summoning portal – then the summoning portal should also be banned, as well as demonology – it's just as terribly boring and uninteresting. Regarding relics, you are right – I forgot about that. As for the schools in SOD, they are fine – one fire with an expert berserker almost always solves the problem, and prayer is also good:smile41:
2Ivor: you're wrong about the update, the game simply closed if you didn't install version 0.5.
Well, you needed to install the DLL from version 0.5, and the rest from 0.42))) PReDS
When connecting, something like this happens: HELLO!, I am a client of version X (the version number is extracted from some library, where it is written during the update), login/password if available, and then the server, depending on the results of checking the client version sent, sends a command to forcibly shut down.
You shouldn't have given asm the idea)))
Added 25 minutes later I've put all the fixes together: http://ifolder.ru/28707904 Unzip and put it in the Data\s folder.
Including reducing the number of skeletons for Gosh to 20-25.
PReDS
