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Registered: 1/19/2012 12:14 AM UTC

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1/21/2012 12:32 PM UTC #722

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I don't quite understand what's going on, either the skis aren't working, or... something's wrong with me. Dear Chingis, please explain to me how you can attack an opponent's castle with your main hero... no, wait... Why attack an opponent's castle with your main hero when you don't have Elite units (level 7 units)? It always seemed to me that the main hero's task is to collect artifacts, clear arenas, capture Forts/castles, and farm (level up). If you rush headlong, especially with Inferno (even in the 3rd week with Imps and Destroyers), to attack my main castle, I would like to ask a few questions: 1. What level do you plan to have your hero at when he arrives? (The main one, since you'll be attacking with him?) 2. How are you going to capture the castle if, by the time you arrive, at least 5 days will have passed? (i.e., a week will pass, and seeing you, I'll just buy up everything) 3. What will you do to protect yourself in case of failure? P.S. I haven't played and don't play on small maps because, like on the arena, there's an imbalance, 100%. P.S.S. The most balanced map in all the Heroes games is the Arena in 5 (not a duel!). P.S.S.S. This is just my opinion.

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Registered: 12/21/2007 9:30 AM UTC

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1/21/2012 1:04 PM UTC #723

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Chingis

Regarding duels, I wanted to say that, at least arithmetically, the armies are roughly equal.

I can't even imagine how you can calculate that:rolleyes:
In any case, for a duel, each player develops their hero in their own way.
We came to a compromise: you don't like to argue, and I don't like to duel:D

CyberForm

Dear Chingis, please explain to me how you can attack your opponent... no, wait... why attack the main hero against the opponent's Castle without Elite units (level 7 units)? It always seemed to me that the main hero's task is to collect artifacts, clear arenas, capture Forts/Castles, and farm (level up). If you rush headlong, especially with Inferno (even on the 3rd week with Imps and Destroyers), to my main Castle, I would like to ask a few questions;
1-What level do you plan to have when you arrive? (The main hero, since you will be attacking with him?)
2-How are you going to capture the Castle if at least 5 days pass before you arrive? (i.e., a week will pass, and seeing you, I will simply buy everything up)
3-How will you protect yourself in case of failure?

And if, for example, you don't use Elite units at all, then you can't attack the Castle anymore?))

We're kind of discussing the game, on small/medium maps, on which you play for a maximum of 1-2 weeks. Even Imps and Destroyers might not be needed here...

1. While you're running to the opponent, you'll level up. You'll be 2 levels higher than the opponent.

2. Your weekly shopping spree won't play a significant role either. Magic is what decides.

3. You can resurrect the hero and try again)

P.S. Playing on large maps, lasting 3 weeks or more, with 3 or more players is a separate topic.

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1/21/2012 3:36 PM UTC #724

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NpB (No Problem Bro). I thought you were talking about big maps (I was surprised by such a fun suicide tactic).

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1/21/2012 5:27 PM UTC #725

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CyberForm

NpB. (Not Problem Bro) I thought you were talking about big maps (I was surprised by such a fun suicide tactic).

Then share strategies, techniques, and development principles for big Inferno maps, bro!:)

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1/21/2012 10:39 PM UTC #726

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Inferno... hmm. I don't really have anything particularly useful to say about them, as I haven't played them much yet, sorry. My main factions are Orcs and Haven. Right now, I'm thinking about trying Necropolis or Inferno, so I'd be interested in reading something useful about them. At the moment, I've realized that Mages aren't very good for Inferno.

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1/31/2012 7:13 PM UTC #728

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Chingis

You don't even need to count. You can load two mirror-image heroes into a duel. Zend against Zend, Lamia against Lamia, etc.:) Where the armies will be ABSOLUTELY equal, only the spells will differ slightly. It's clear that a HUMAN is not equal to a COMPUTER. But it's still a little interesting.

"spells differ slightly"? There, the heroes can be diametrically opposed, one-blood, the other-tears. Or should the heroes also be leveled up equally?:rolleyes: But what's the point of playing then? Identical heroes, identical spells, identical strategy.:smile32:

I recently played as Necropolis, and they are still much stronger than Demons at the start.:( Demons practically have nothing to counter...

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Registered: 10/26/2011 7:42 AM UTC

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2/1/2012 6:40 AM UTC #729

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Looker FuNNy aRt

I recently played as Necropolis, and they are still incomparably stronger than Inferno at the start. :( Inferno practically has nothing to counter them with...

There's really nothing they can do against them, until they reach the Sadist level. Except for Drain Life and the fact that there will be few neutral Necropolis creatures around. But that was also the case in the fifth game, although in the fifth game, with skilled players, even dogs could be effective.

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2/1/2012 7:37 PM UTC #730

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Supric

Honestly, it's not that bad, especially compared to the Dungeon faction. Maybe the lack of draining and fewer neutral Necropolis creatures nearby is a drawback. But that was also the case in the fifth game, although in skilled hands, even dogs could turn the tide.

Yes, but about 10 Dungeon creatures will only appear on the second week:smile42:
And until then, you just have to SURVIVE, unlike other factions.

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2/2/2012 3:34 PM UTC #732

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Looker FuNNy aRt

yes, but about 10 sadists will only appear in the second week:smile42:
and before that, you just have to SURVIVE, unlike other factions)

That's why I like them... I love challenges :smile35: :)

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Registered: 1/2/2012 6:47 PM UTC

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2/2/2012 4:03 PM UTC #733

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I played as the Demon faction (using Cyrillic characters) in a duel against a strong AI (Orcs, Necropolis, and Haven) in the classic version, and I lost badly. I didn't just lose; I was completely crushed, especially by the Necropolis. Then, I played the same scenario but on the Legion map, and surprisingly, I crushed everyone. This shows the power of the Demon faction when you have a large number of troops.

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Registered: 2/5/2012 6:14 PM UTC

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2/9/2012 3:13 PM UTC #735

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Inferno is a good faction, but you need to know how to play it. I enjoyed playing through the Inferno campaign, especially the ending. However, there were too many fortresses, especially in the last mission. I liked the dialogues between Azkaal and Kirill. The first mission of the campaign was easy, but the rest were easier.

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2/12/2012 10:34 AM UTC #737

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Chingis

I built Succubi, upgraded them to Lilims, thinking I could stop everyone, but "Charm" didn't work on Lilims, even on neutral creatures. What's the deal with this charm? I do remember that there were undead and madmen around the fortress (maybe I was just unlucky?).

That's right, it doesn't work on undead and madmen.

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2/13/2012 5:55 AM UTC #739

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Yesterday, I played Inferno with some people. We didn't finish the game, though. People kept dropping out. :) But it was still fun, and it's playable. I got lucky with artifacts; I found the Druid's Bracelet. Drain Life + regeneration is a must-have early on, that's for sure. At the beginning, you need to focus on building Cerberuses (you can generally ignore Lilims and Maniacs, building them only as needed). Eliminate weak neutrals without any losses. Deal with strong neutrals with minimal losses. I didn't build Elites either; I went straight to Lords, and with them, I could break through anything without losses. Tears and Blood are leveled up very quickly, which is great... early on, you can switch to level 1 Tears, and by the endgame, switch back to Blood.

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2/13/2012 8:02 PM UTC #741

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Chingis

Against the Haven? Warrior or Mage? Why focus on dogs? And what about Lilims, they shoot and stop enemies, right?

Because with a Warrior. For a Warrior, dogs are more versatile.

I read somewhere that Tears develop much faster than Blood. Is that true?

In single-player, both develop quickly. By the time you choose a class, you can get 300 Blood and 300 Tears. However, 112 Blood was earned in the arena. So, on medium to large single-player maps, you can develop with the intention of getting Blood-Tears skills of level 2.

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Registered: 1/2/2012 6:47 PM UTC

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2/28/2012 8:46 PM UTC #742

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It’s a pity that the demons are so weak; in the fifth installment, demons were either the strongest faction or definitely among the top contenders. If the summoning mechanic from the fifth game worked in the sixth game, I think everyone would be playing as demons.

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