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Offline Werevolka
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Ara, what’s the main question? I somehow missed it. And what is it that I should be ashamed to admit?
Now, about the topic. Zubr wrote above (but you did everything possible to flood the thread so that this message would get lost) that he tried to resolve the issue with you in a private message. But you didn’t agree to cooperate. After that, your thread was merged with a similar one because you, of course, are the king of flooding, a deserving moderator of all Hv, etc., but there are also a bunch of other novice GMs who, inspired by your example, will start creating a huge number of threads. And you know what? This is absolutely unnecessary to anyone, and your thread was not needed by anyone except you; people just got used to you and looked at your nonsense with condescension.
What will I do if you, the great Arandor, start criticizing all my posts? I will simply write to the Admin that the moderator is exceeding his authority, and that’s it. And in any case, I won’t run around the forum with hysterics and prove that I am better than everyone else.
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Offline Arandor
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Make her yours, it's very simple.
So that later you can poke me with this thread and say that I'm using personal authority for my own purposes? hah.

It's strange that Zubr supported the proposal, because this introduction will spawn a multitude of threads, among which it will be difficult to navigate. I'm not even going to mention the system. I don't care about him, I wasn't planning to create a poll for every mafia anyway, only for one. Let others create them, I've already said that I won't delete poll threads, because I don't think they contradict HeroesWorld rules.

Why should I resolve my conflicts personally? I want people to know about the moderators' shenanigans in service of their personal interests. Today it's my thread, and tomorrow others will get thrown under the bus.

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Offline Слоныш
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Alright, guys, let’s go play. We don’t need Aru anymore, and we’re here for Mafia anyway.
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Offline Arandor
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Werewolf,
Zubr wrote above (but you did everything possible to flood the thread so that this message would get lost) that he tried to resolve the issue with you in a private message. But you didn't cooperate. After that, your thread was merged with a similar one.
This is funny. Where did you get that conclusion from? Here's how it actually happened:

Tox created a thread, and a couple of people replied, including Slonysh, who complained that there were too many threads (she needs to stick her trunk into everything). Then I saw that Tox's thread was moved to the workshop. I wrote to Zubr and asked why they did that. Zubr wrote about personal topics and his assumptions about the proliferation of similar topics, but these are just ASSUMPTIONS, they are not based on anything. I also assumed that this poll would not cause the appearance of many other threads. Okay, then I noticed that my thread was gone. I wrote to Zubr again and asked where my thread had gone. It turned out that Slonysh was involved in this (she was the first to complain to Zubr about the excess of threads, and only then did he start thinking about their necessity). So, my thread was thrown into the trash, and part of it ended up in the workshop. I moved the workshop and wanted to extract the messages from my thread. At the same time, I wrote to Zubr to return my thread. He said that he would return my thread if I moderated all the threads in the Mafia section, monitored order, and deleted such poll-like threads. Of course, I refused, because deleting poll-like threads is against the rules. He refused to return my thread, and then I deleted his thread.
What will I do if you, Arandor the Great, start deleting all my posts? I'll just write to the Admin that the moderator is exceeding his authority, and that's it. And in any case, I won't run around the forum in hysterics and prove that I'm better than everyone else.
You're saying that now, but if such a situation happened unexpectedly and before this incident, you would probably have acted differently.

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Offline Ment
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So that later people can point at this topic and say that I'm using my personal authority for my own purposes? Haha.
Arandor, people are already pointing. But if you did that, you would be doing a good deed for Tox by creating a poll for him.
It's strange that Zubr supported the proposal, because this introduction will create a lot of topics, among which it will be difficult to navigate.
The idea is that there won't be a lot of topics under any circumstances: topics for the Mafia will simply be created in advance and initially have a different purpose. So their number will not change in the end.
Why should I resolve my conflicts personally? I want people to know about the moderator's actions that serve their personal interests.
You want public opinion to support you, to say that "Arandor is right, and everyone who argues is a noob and a loser." And when it doesn't support you very much, you just shout louder in an attempt to prove how righteous and innocent you are. But if you can't solve your problems on your own and without extreme measures, that doesn't speak well of you.
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That's what you're saying now. If such a situation happened unexpectedly and before this case, you would definitely have acted differently.
Don't judge everyone by yourself; I have no doubt that Ver would have acted as she said.
 

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Offline Arandor
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Don't judge everyone by your own standards; I have no doubt that Ver would have acted as she said.
Almost every spammer, at least once, messaged me on ICQ and asked: why did you delete the messages? What was in those messages? Why did you delete his topic? etc. They complain even about topics they haven't seen. Imagine what would happen if I deleted their topic. You can guess.
The idea is that there won't be a huge number of topics under any circumstances: the topics for Mafia games will simply be created in advance and initially have a different purpose. So, their number will not change in the end.
My poll wouldn't have changed the number of topics either, as it was temporary. But Zubr didn't like the fact that several topics existed simultaneously.

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Offline Siverfale
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I always thought Arandor shouldn't be a moderator. I want to make an official statement: I was wrong.
Arandor is the funniest thing that has ever happened to HeroesWorld in the entire history of moderators; when I found out about the Workshop deletion, I almost burst out laughing, the only thing stopping me was a sore throat. Although, to be fair, I should note that the entire section generates an endless source of amusement and entertainment for the whole forum.
...double standards, hypocrisy, and other repulsive traits of human nature.
Now I see that many are susceptible to this filth...
I told you that you are a paladin :Р
Sometimes, people don't understand why I dislike Arandor. Well, in this thread, he revealed himself very vividly, and now it will be easier for many to understand me.
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Where do we end up when we save the world?
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Offline Нэйко
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Nay, okay. You'll create some important topic for yourself, and I'll delete it, and then we'll see how you feel about that.
How often do I even create topics? And anyway, do you want to delete my mafia game if I run it? Then you're a true lolody-modderator, against whom the Punisher Admin ional must be summoned.

Why should I resolve my conflicts personally? I want people to know about moderator antics done in favor of personal interests.
You wanted to show everyone that you're a terrible moderator? You showed them, and people were delighted.

Almost every spammer, at least once, has messaged me on ICQ and asked: why did you delete my messages? What was in those messages? Why did you delete their topic? etc. They throw accusations even about topics they've never seen. Let alone if I delete their topic. You can imagine.
For example, I have never once asked you about that. I'm actually curious who asked you about it?

Anyway, yes, Arandor is our HeroesWorld Petrosyan.
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Offline Arandor
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At the same time, I wrote to Zubr, asking him to return my topic. He said he would return it to me if I moderated all the topics in the Mafia forum myself, kept order, and deleted such poll-like topics. I refused, because deleting poll-like topics goes against the rules. He refused to return my topic.
Why isn't anyone commenting on this, or do you think it's normal to issue such ultimatums?

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Offline Нэйко
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At the same time, I wrote to Zubr, asking him to return my thread. He said he would return it to me if I moderated all the threads in the Mafia forum myself, kept order, and deleted such poll-like threads. I refused, as deleting poll-like threads goes against the rules. He refused to return my thread.
His ultimatum clearly implies that no one wants these kinds of polls.
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Offline Arandor
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Did you ask everyone? Some might not need it, but others do. The poll proves that. Moreover, there was no violation of the rules when the topics were created. This is the main argument.

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Online now Happy Life
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How often do I actually create topics?

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You all have the same answer to this hypothetical example. "I don't create topics anyway, so what's it to me! My house is on the edge." A typical slave mentality of Russians. If I don't need it right now, or if I don't really need it, I can just put up with it. Free healthcare that's terrible? Well, I don't get sick anyway. Exceptional difficulties for modest small business owners? Lol, so what, I just sort papers. Some guy's son, a member of a certain ethnic group, was beaten up in the neighboring area? He was an idiot, he should have avoided that bad neighborhood. One of the highest figures in the world for the difference in wealth between social classes? Oh, come on, I can still afford pasta and chicken.
Russians, who are happy that they are at least allowed to approach the trough with slop, so they can engage in anal sex while they eat it.
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Offline Wistrit
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As strange as it may seem, I will support Arandorka on this issue.
Is this Zubr's personal domain? Or maybe Slonysh's personal Fortress? We need to be more tolerant of everyone.
Instead of asking or somehow raising the issue of creating such topics in the "general discussions," making a comment, or trying to resolve this issue in a private message (before the topic was deleted, not after), the topic was simply deleted. Who does that?
Who were the topics bothering? I agree, it looks a bit strange, with two extra topics in the middle of a neat column of Mafia topics, but that's no reason to destroy everything like a barbarian.
Regarding the usefulness of the topics. Arko created the topic because he wanted to know exactly how many people would be playing, whether people would participate at all, and whether people would appreciate his setting. Someone might say that at a time when hundreds of thousands of games are ready to upload their settings to the workshop, this is not a good idea? And Toksi is a complete beginner, he has never played on the hardcore difficulty, so he naturally wants to hear the opinion of the players in more detail.
YOU ARE WRONG.

Deleting the workshop was a justified measure. When dealing with wolves, you have to howl like a wolf. In response to an attack, don't expect a "thank you."
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Offline Nyashechka Kavai
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Removing the workshop was a justified measure. Fight fire with fire. Don't expect a "thank you" in response to an attack.
That's what I'm saying, a civilized society.

But in reality, everyone didn't care about the topic that Arandor was so passionate about. Whether it existed or not. Its removal, however, caused quite a cognitive dissonance. In fact, Zubr and Slonysh acted for the good of the community by removing unnecessary clone threads. Anyone who doesn't consider discussing the setting in a separate thread to be equivalent to discussing it in the workshop is a noob and a lol.
What's the point of asking "GUYS, WHO'S GOING TO PLAY?!" when there's at least a month until the game starts, and ANYTHING could happen?! What's with this anxiety, which makes people afraid to start a thread about the game and risk not getting enough participants? Lol.
And this demagoguery definitely won't lead to anything more, and won't bring any laughs. Guys, you understand who you're arguing with. Either radical actions are needed, or we should just stop dwelling on the topic, and not give Arandor the opportunity to flood the thread with identical posts.
And, in reality, Arandor and his supporters are noobs and lols.
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