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Let's create a topic with a poll and decide if such topics are needed, since there are already two precedents. I think that's democratic.
I would be "for" it if I saw specific arguments in favor of creating such topics. The phrase "This type of topic won't bother me" doesn't work because it's neutral. It means that its presence doesn't matter, and neither does its absence.
For example, these topics didn't bother me at all. Why were they deleted?
Why ask the same question 100 times when several people have already given a detailed answer?
What's it to you? You and Slonysh don't even play (not counting the Zubrovskaya Mafia) and just come in to stir things up. What difference does it make to you? This issue should definitely be decided not by you, but by all players. If you didn't like the topic, you could have created a poll about it. The majority would have voted, and then the issue would have been resolved.
Great, you'd even create a poll about the poll... What's next?
The fact that some people don't play in every Mafia game is purely their personal business. I'll even dare to say that if Slonysh and I had continued to monitor the general topics daily, the Workshop would be much better, and I'm about 90% sure that the need for even you to create a poll would simply disappear.

By the way, you also wrote that the reason it's difficult to navigate the "Workshop" is that many people have published their settings there.
For one game, you need at least two weeks + 5 days of break (in my opinion), totaling almost 3 weeks. The GM has at least 3 weeks to prepare the game! If you're third in line, it's a month and a half! In that time, you won't have time to create a setting? Or what? Are you too lazy to spend an extra half hour browsing posts with feedback? You'll have to spend much more time on the Mafia game! Much more!


Барон
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Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!



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Amko
Let's create a topic with a poll and decide if such topics are needed, since there are already two precedents. I think that's democratic.
Not like this, each player creates a topic with a philosophical treatise about this situation, and then a General topic is created with links to these topics. We attach the General one for convenience. Isn't that cute?
Arandor
I first deleted one. Then I put it back and deleted the second one. So, there's no need for that here.
And why, personally, should I, as a participant in the 35th Mafia game, suffer because of your squabbles? You deleted one, which was relevant to all players in the section, now you're deleting another. You justify it by saying you changed the hostage? Bravo.
Arandor
What's it to you? You and Slonysh don't even play (not counting the Zubrovskaya Mafia) and you just come in to stir things up. What difference does it make to you? This issue should definitely be decided not by you, but by all the players. If you didn't like the topic, you could have created a poll about it. The majority would have voted, and then the issue would have been resolved.
You're wrong to resort to personal attacks. I repeat: where is the 35th game, in which I am a participant? What does it matter to you whether we "stir things up" or play? The issue of deleting a topic about a game should definitely not be decided by you. If you didn't like the situation with your topic, you could have created a poll: "GOOD PEOPLE, HELP! TOPICS ARE DISAPPEARING IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, WHAT SHOULD I DO?"
Arandor
Where did you see a clone? Did I ask you to post settings in my topic and discuss them? I posted a setting for review, so that people could read it and vote based on what they read. If I had just written that I would create a game based on this world, fewer people would have signed up.
Master
So, the topic was created specifically to discuss various game variations. Here you can post your drafts of game themes, role descriptions, and so on.
Gil4
Again, the purpose of creating it was a POLL, that's the only thing that made the topic not a clone. Did you not have time to see if you had enough players? It was there for an hour, two, a day? No, more. Today, you finally reduced the topic's content to discussing the details of the setting. After that, the topic became your personal clone of the Workshop. Questions?
And yes, your topic wasn't even a clone, you're right. It was a sub-clone. The essence of the Workshop lies in its unique manifestation, in your personal setting. In fact, this was already mentioned in my example with the Mapmaking section.



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I offered to revert it, but you're dictating your own terms.
Dictating terms – is that what you call asking to maintain order? O_O And why did you even take on the responsibilities in the first place?))) To show everyone how cool you are?:)
And what's the point of reverting it now? If you restore all the messages and delete the unnecessary ones (from the Tox topic), then it's okay.
But at the beginning, your argument was "I need a poll there!" "That's why I created the topic!". It's not quite working out for you.
This system hasn't disappeared. It just temporarily created two new topics, and that's it.
The system didn't involve creating such topics. No one created them for a year and a half. And there were different games, both big and small.

And where did you get the idea that there would be 2?


Барон
"Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!



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In short, it's clear that these topics didn't actually bother anyone, and it all boils down to personal issues. Sad but true.
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In short, it's clear that these topics didn't actually bother anyone, and it all boils down to personal issues. Sad but true.
Amko
Let's create a topic with a poll and decide whether such topics are needed, since there are already 2 precedents. I think that's democratic.

Zybr
I would be "for" it if I saw concrete arguments in favor of creating such topics. The phrase "This topic won't bother me" doesn't work, because it's neutrality. Whether it's present or absent, it doesn't matter.

Apparently, no one has any arguments:)


Барон
"Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!



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So, you’ll have to spend more time on the mafia game! Many times more!
That’s why I created this thread. I figured out how to make it simpler because not everyone reads the Workshop, and not everyone responds about participating. Let’s say I was clever and decided not to waste a lot of time. Did you not like that? Because someone turned out to be more resourceful, lol?) It doesn’t violate the rules!
Dictating the conditions – is that encouraging people to maintain order? O_O Why did you even take on the responsibilities then?))) To show everyone how cool you are?
I told you in ICQ that I monitor the threads and delete messages, even if not all of them. But I’m not the only moderator in the section.
I’m not going to delete poll threads because the rules don’t prohibit them.
And at the beginning, the argument was, "I need a poll there!" "That’s exactly why I created the thread!". Something isn’t working out for you.
One thing doesn’t interfere with the other. I created it for the poll, and now I want everything to be in its place.
The system didn’t include the creation of such threads.
Is the system written down somewhere? Do everyone have to follow it?

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY
Message from the Workshop
So, the thread is created specifically for discussing various game variations. Here, you can post your drafts of game themes, role descriptions, and so on.
You can, but you don’t have to.

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Yes, I am a newbie, of course, but this whole situation clearly resembles some kind of personal dispute with a survey as a pretext, rather than being genuinely about the problem itself. Ar created the topic, Ar saw the results, Ar deleted the topic. No problem. But I'm just a passerby, so it's not up to me to sort things out, although I did express my independent opinion).
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It's possible, but not required.
Just a small question. Where is it stated that you can post your drafts in a separate personal thread?
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Because the moderator broke the rules.
They broke the rules, because they deleted a topic that does not violate HeroesWorld rules.
And where is it stated that one can post their own drafts in a separate personal thread?
where is it stated that one cannot? if it's not forbidden, then it can be posted.

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Gil4
If you didn't like the situation with your topic, you could have created a poll: "KIND PEOPLE, HELP! TOPICS ARE DISAPPEARING IN BROAD DAYLIGHT, WHAT SHOULD I DO?".
"Topics disappear at noon."
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Arandor
You can, but you don't have to.
You can post them there, or you can skip posting and start the game right away, right? Settings for review are posted in the Workshop. The poll was needed – you saw the result. Now you suddenly want everything to be in its place. Lol, is it a matter of principle? Kindergarten, childish and meaningless arguments.
I'm tired of arguing, bring back the Mafia, okay? I don't care if you think deleting your thread was fair or not. You used your authority for personal gain. Now restore what you didn't have the right to touch in the first place.



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The poll was there, but it wasn't completed. I decide when the poll ends, and I could delete my topic myself. I didn't ask for help with that.
You just admitted that you created a clone. And yes, I don't read the workshop, and when I looked at your topic, I didn't read it either.
What? I wrote that I used a trick, but that doesn't equal creating a clone topic. I was talking about a poll in the workshop. What are you reading, Omega? Please, don't write nonsense and don't interpret my words in a way that suits you. Something completely different was meant.

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I figured out a simpler way to do it, because not everyone reads the forum and not everyone signs up to participate. Let's assume I took a shortcut and decided not to spend too much time on it.
Spot on, you made it simpler for yourself.

Okay, let's imagine the following scenario. We have enough GMs for 2-3 months of games. Let's say 6-7 GMs. These are just hypothetical numbers. They all create topics with polls about their games. And it turns out that 3 of them have roughly the same flaws in the game mechanics, let's say in Heroes of Might and Magic. We all try to help each other here, but it's unlikely that anyone will want to write the same thing three times. At best, they'll copy and paste. And if they write to Pete, "Hey, look, Kolya has the same flaw, I explained everything in his topic, I'm too lazy to duplicate it, you can find it yourself," then poor Pete will have to dig through Kolya's topic and think, "Why did I even create my own topic if I'm just looking for information in Kolya's?" In this case, both sides will be inconvenienced. But if all of this were in one topic, I could highlight it with a quote and clearly explain everything to everyone in one post.
Is the system written down somewhere? Are they all supposed to follow it?
Where are the norms of morality written down? Why do cultured people follow them? )
Or, going back to work: "Why can't I eat at my desk? It's just that you're all idiots and didn't think of it! But I did, and now you're jealous!"
I'm saying it for the last time – the system has existed for a long time, and this clearly demonstrates its effectiveness.
It's possible, but not required.
:D:D:D You've killed me with laughter))))) I don't know what else to write here.
Okay, I'll reveal a terrible secret: by "possible," I mean that it would be helpful to show your setting to others before running the game, but it's not required.


Барон
"Vampires"

Отдай свои прошлые сны,
В сомненьях себя обрети,
В бешеном танце душа кружится!
Не думай, что будет потом,
Здесь и сейчас мы живем,
Стань хоть на миг сам собой, слышишь!



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Not everyone reads topic A, so I created topic B = I created topic B, which is essentially similar to topic A, but with a higher chance of being read by others.



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Okay, let's imagine the following scenario. Let's say there are 6-7 GMs who are planning to run games for 2-3 months. These are just hypothetical numbers. They all create threads related to their games, including polls. And it turns out that 3 of them have roughly the same issues with the game mechanics. We all try to help each other here, but it's unlikely that anyone will want to write the same thing three times. At best, they'll copy and paste. And if someone writes to Pete, "Hey, look, Kolya has the same issue, I explained everything in his thread, I'm too lazy to repeat myself, you can find it yourself," then poor Pete will have to dig through Kolya's thread and think, "Why did I even create my own thread if I have to look for the answer in Kolya's?" In this case, both sides will be inconvenienced. But if all of this were in one thread, it would be easy to highlight it with a quote and explain everything clearly in one post.
Why so few GMs? You could have come up with a more interesting scenario. You could imagine 20 GMs, and they all create polls. That would be much more interesting.
Besides, the polls were created for questionable games. I don't think there would be many of those in the future.

Zubr, regarding the system and the word "can," that's just your subjective opinion. People are not obligated to act in accordance with it. Do you understand? It's a different matter if these were forum rules, but these are just personal preferences. Don't impose your opinion on others.
I created my thread for a limited time, and I would delete it later.

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